not sure if this is the right thread for this, but:
is Cross Chop really that much better on Electivire than Low Kick?
I don't see CC being advantageous in any important scenario other than Blissey (and maybe Porygon-Z/Porygon2).
(sorry, these notes/sketches are jumbled up. this was meant for a quick discussion, not a thread or anything too serious)
Cross Chop base power vs. Low Kick base power
all damage calcs are assuming:
- electivire is holding an expert belt
- adamant electivire has 252 attack
- mild electivire is using the standard mixed set on smogon with 36 attack
Blissey: 100 vs. 60
- Adamant Electivire CC vs. min HP/max Def calm Blissey: 74.36% chance to OHKO w/ SR, 0% without. Low Kick has 80.08% chance of 2HKO w/ Leftovers, 100% with SR and Leftovers
- mild Electivire will never OHKO but will always 2HKO Blissey w/ CC. 17.03% chance of 2HKOing Blissey w/ leftovers with Low Kick
advantage: Cross Chop makes a world of a difference
Tyranitar: 100 vs. 120
- Adamant Electivire OHKOs with either attack
- Mild Electivire only has 79.49% chance of OHKOing Boah w/ CC if SR is not in play.
advantage: negligible difference damage wise, but Low Kick is 100% accurate
Snorlax: 100 vs. 120
- mild electivire vs. 168 hp/120 def careful (curselax): 83.83% chance of 2HKOing with CC if Snorlax has leftovers (if Snorlax doesn't curse). 100% chance of 2HKOing with Low Kick.
- adamant electivire vs. curselax: always 2HKO with CC, 41.03% chance of OHKO with Low Kick
- mild electivire vs. 4 hp/0 def offensive snorlax: 33.33% chance of OHKO with Low Kick. CC is only a 2HKO.
- adamant electivire vs. offensive lax: 100% chance of OHKO with low kick even without SR. 2.56% (without SR) and 79.49% (with SR) chance of OHKO with CC.
- adamant electivire vs. sleep talk snorlax: 7.69% chance of OHKO without SR with low kick, 87.18% chance with SR. CC is a 2HKO.
- mild electivire 2HKOs sleep talk lax in all scenarios.
advantage: Low Kick has a big advantage damage wise
Mamoswine: 100 vs. 120
- Mild Electivire is guaranteed to do no worse than 2HKO with either attack. it has 79.49% chance to OHKO w/ Low Kick if there is SR.
- Mild Electivire has 46.15% chance of OHKO w/ Flamethrower w/ no SR. 100% w/ SR.
- Adamant Electivire is guaranteed to OHKO w/ Low Kick (regardless) and CC (with SR). w/o SR, 46.15% chance of OHKO with CC.
advantage: Low Kick has a decent advantage damage-wise for adamant electivire
Donphan: 100 vs. 100 (but this shouldn't matter b/c what Electivire doesn't have Flamethrower or an Ice attack?)
- same reasoning for Hippowdon: 100 vs. 120
PorygonZ: 100 vs. 60
- Adamant Electivire always OHKOs min/4 P-Z with CC, never OHKOs with Low Kick
- Mild Electivire has 46.15% chance of OHKO w/ CC and w/o SR, 100% with. Low Kick is guaranteed 2HKO, but no better.
advantage: Cross Chop
Porygon2: 100 vs. 60
- adamant electivire will always 2HKO 252 hp/216 def bold P2 with CC, never with low kick.
- mild electivire has 90.27% chance of 2HKO with SR and leftovers, 0.99% chance with leftovers and no SR
advantage: Cross Chop can actually beat P2, while Low Kick won't scratch it
Steelix: 100 vs. 120
- mild Electivire does more with flamethrower.
- adamant Electivire vs. max hp/min def, + def steelix: CC never 2HKOs, Low Kick has 55.16% chance of 2HKO with no SR or leftovers, 5.79% with leftovers and no SR, 82.25% with SR and no leftovers, 21.24% with SR and leftovers
advantage: Low Kick if adamant, doesn't matter if mild
Heatran: 100 vs. 120 (if it doesn't have EQ)
- mild electivire has 2.56% chance of OHKOing standard scarftran with low kick. CC is always a 2HKO.
- adamant electivire has 87.18% chance of OHKOing with low kick and no SR. 100% with SR. CC cannot OHKO without SR, 53.85% chance with SR.
advantage: Low Kick has a slight advantage on Mild electivire. hopefully you have EQ on adamant electivire.
Lucario: 100 vs. 80 (if it doesn't have EQ)
- mild electivire OHKOs with flamethrower.
- adamant electivire OHKOs with both attacks, regardless of SR.
advantage: won't matter if you have EQ on adamant electivire
Magnezone: 100 vs. 120 (if it doesn't have EQ)
- mild electivire does more with flamethrower
- adamant electivire vs. 172 hp/0 def (steel killer) magnezone: 41.03% chance of OHKO with low kick and no SR, 79.49% with SR. CC is always a 2HKO.
- adamant electivire vs. 4 hp/0 def (scarf) magnezone: always OHKO with low kick. 15.38% chance of OHKO w/o SR, 53.85% with SR if using CC.
advantage: Low Kick can get you the OHKO. CC likely will not.
Rhyperior: 100 vs. 120
- mild electivire will never 2HKO min hp/min def rhyperior with CC. 68.44% chance of 2HKO with low kick with SR and no leftovers, 0% chance with leftovers
- adamant electivire will always 2HKO min/min rhyperior with low kick. with CC, 80.67% chance with SR and no leftovers, 17.42% with SR and leftovers (or neither), 0% with leftovers and no SR
- electivire probably wouldn't be able to scratch a defensive rhyperior
advantage: the extra power Low Kick has over EQ and CC can make a difference on a physical Electivire.
Swampert: 100 vs. 80; a too many hit KO regardless
Smeargle: 100 vs. 80; OHKO with both attacks
other Electivire: 100 vs. 100 (if it doesn't have EQ)
Ambipom: 100 vs. 40
- CC will always OHKO. Adamant Thunderpunch has 2.56% chance of OHKOing 4 hp/min def Ambipom.
advantage: Cross Chop
Absol: 100 vs. 60
- adamant electivire will always OHKO with CC. 53.85% chance of OHKO with Low Kick without SR, 100% with SR.
- mild electivire will always OHKO with CC, never with Low Kick
advantage: Cross Chop
less important:
Ampharos: 100 vs. 80
Cradily: 100 vs. 80
Regice: 100 vs. 100
Regirock and Registeel: 100 vs. 120
Slaking: 100 vs. 100
Umbreon: 100 vs. 60
Ursaring: 100 vs. 100
