I don't think Blissey should be considered Uber. It's powerful, but counterable. With that said, do you honestly think that a team needs Blissey to effectively wall most special-oriented threats in the OU tier? I'm not arguing, just looking for clarification.Pay real close attention to this post, guys: If Blissey is banned to UBER play, then special sweeping pokemon like SpecsMence, Azelf, Raikou, Jirachi and Togekiss will unbelievably constrict the OU metagame. Why do so many of you fail to take your reasoning to the next level when thinking "if tyranitar becomes uber blissey should be too", even though such thinking commits the logical fallacy of composition regardless?
http://www.smogon.com/forums/showpost.php?p=524881&postcount=54I think Blissey is a bigger issue than Tyranitar.
While Tyranitar can easily be countered, Blissey is a pain.
And I also saw the argument of even if banning these Pokemon to uberzone, they wouldn't see play there. But that doesn't go for Blissey, Blissey sees plenty of play in ubers.
I would love to see Tyranitar leave OU and enter Ubers but if he does, other superpowers of the OU should be closely inspected.
Sorry if these points have all already been aroused.
Although I agree that Blissey shouldn't be banned, you all know what my take on Blissey is. I'd say that the part that Jumpman put in bold isn't necessarily true. There exist other special walls besides Blissey after all, which, although having less special walling capabilities than Blissey, would still be able to wall those Pokemon.Pay real close attention to this post, guys: If Blissey is banned to UBER play, then special sweeping pokemon like SpecsMence, Azelf, Raikou, Jirachi and Togekiss will unbelievably constrict the OU metagame. Why do so many of you fail to take your reasoning to the next level when thinking "if tyranitar becomes uber blissey should be too", even though such thinking commits the logical fallacy of composition regardless?
Oh, I do agree with that too, I meant that both factors affect a pokemon's usage. Besides, Blaziken is really uncommon if you ask me.I meant frequency is not all that tiers are based on. For example, Blaziken and Infernape are almost exactly the same, but Infernape does it better. Therefore Infernape would be a higher tier than Blaziken even if Blaziken say more usage as it's a peoples' favourite.
chaos said:READ: THIS THREAD IS ONLY FOR DISCUSSION OF THE TRADITIONAL TIERS. DO -NOT- PROVIDE YOUR OWN TIER LISTING IN THIS THREAD. DO NOT DISCUSS THE TIER LISTINGS OF OTHERS. GO MAKE YOUR OWN THREAD WITH A WELL FORMED ARGUMENT.
cool, shut up. We may or may not take ideas from this thread, but regardless the process is that we internally discuss our opinions and then open it up to the public. That's the process. If we really wanted your input on decisions like that, we would have made you a mod. "Know your role"OK, one mistake here was posting the OU list in the first place.
Well... not really... but ok.Personally I wouldn't mind seeing Sala, Meta, and co. in Ubers. ... They definitely have the stats and movepool to compete in Ubers.
Why would someone use Salamence when there's something called Rayquaza? Also, Metagross already has seen play in ubers as "anti-metagame".Personally I wouldn't mind seeing Sala, Meta, and co. in Ubers. I'm sick of seeing them all the time, even on my team. They definitely have the stats and movepool to compete in Ubers. I would like to see some change in this very, centralized-around-six-of-the-same-pokemon, metagame.
This is so true in my opinion. This is why I think Celebi needs to stay OU. Celebi really doesn't change the metagame that much. It's only annoying to some who are unprepared. Celebi didn't improve thus it should stay where it was, like in the previous gen.Celebi is an example of a poke that didnt improve while everything else around it did..
If you're going to play the standard metagame, expect to see standards.Personally I wouldn't mind seeing Sala, Meta, and co. in Ubers. I'm sick of seeing them all the time, even on my team. They definitely have the stats and movepool to compete in Ubers. I would like to see some change in this very, centralized-around-six-of-the-same-pokemon, metagame.
And worst of all, Pursuit is actually seeing use now, unlike in Advance where only Houndoom would sometimes carry it. That alone is why Celebi should remain OU, imo. If we could deal with it in Advance, then we can deal with it with what we had back then and our new toys.This is so true in my opinion. This is why I think Celebi needs to stay OU. Celebi really doesn't change the metagame that much. It's only annoying to some who are unprepared. Celebi didn't improve thus it should stay where it was, like in the previous gen.
I couldnt agree with you more lol.Ok, so maybe they're not as good as Ubers, but I'm definitely tired of seeing them.
That's easy: Cover the screen when they appear...Ok, so maybe they're not as good as Ubers, but I'm definitely tired of seeing them.
That's the thing that I don't like about Hipno's proposed list and why I disagree with some of the ones on the current list. Instead of thinking how does this guy fair against standard pokemon we should also be thinking how does he fair against ubers?Well... not really... but ok.