Mafia vs Village dndmaf d2

ok actually im gonna post itt

leet has claimed Black Dragon, twin vigilante

i have confirmed details of not only another vigilante itg, but also another dragon; this is highly susp

furthermore, he claims to have made contact w/ a 'conditional' safeguard' w/e the f that means, and was apparently asking a bunch of folks to target him to test it??? idk

i highly suspect him of being a wolf
What?

I never claimed Vigilante to you.

If you guys want me to straight up claim and everything, I'll do so.

I'm Black Dragon, Town Watcher.

The whole reason I claimed Tracker to Twin is because I got, from my n0 results, that he was the only one to visit Jalmont. If you visited Jalmont and are not twin, then you can claim and hang me. Twin acted extremely suspicious, and refused to so much as claim role name, and so I lied to him, as I suspect he is/was mafia.

As for the SG thing, I've been in contact with someone who knows my rolename exists (if they want to claim, they can do so), who has an SG that only works on Dragons. Thus, I wished for them to target me (in oder to confirm me as town), and for someone else to also target me (to confirm I was SGed).

So yeah, pleased now?
 

Lavos

Banned deucer.
hydras can't fly, hydras have many heads (NO DRAGON has multiple heads, tiamat is a god in dragon avatar form smh), hydras live in water, and dragons are usually a tier above humans/common mortal races in the intelligence area but hydras are ding dong dumb.

hydras in 2017 LUL
 

Ullar

card-carrying wife-guy
is a Smogon Discord Contributor
fk i hate about-faces

this lynch was unlikely to succeed anyway

i have my reasons for keeping leet alive and yes they are dragon-related
 

Haruno

Skadi :)
is a Tiering Contributor Alumnus
yeah okay, leet is full of shit and should absolutely be the lynch today. His whole claim is off and especially offputting as a whole. Logs for reference

These logs happened before he pub claimed

[7:14 PM] Hitmonleet: Oh hey
[7:14 PM] Hitmonleet: You're in dndmaf
[7:14 PM] Haruno: ya
[7:14 PM] Hitmonleet: Want to trade role names?
[7:14 PM] Haruno: sure
[7:14 PM] Haruno: slime
[7:14 PM] Hitmonleet: I'm Black Dragon!
[7:15 PM] Haruno: o_o
[7:15 PM] Haruno: dragons are scary
[7:15 PM] Hitmonleet: Kek
[7:15 PM] Haruno: i hope
[7:15 PM] Haruno: ur not dumb enough
[7:15 PM] Haruno: to let jalmont lead
[7:15 PM] Haruno: with no proof
[7:15 PM] Haruno: of anything
[7:16 PM] Hitmonleet: I'm not, personally
[7:16 PM] Haruno: aight
[7:16 PM] Haruno: idk what village can even do
[7:16 PM] Haruno: to prove a role
[7:16 PM] Hitmonleet: I mean, I have someone who can clear me tonight
[7:16 PM] Hitmonleet: Because they have a flavor-based ability
[7:16 PM] Hitmonleet: That works on me
[7:16 PM] Haruno: were kills usable n0?
[7:16 PM] Hitmonleet: No
[7:17 PM] Hitmonleet: Why do you ask?
[7:17 PM] Haruno: odd, since it didn't mention anything like that in op
[7:17 PM] Haruno: w/e
[7:17 PM] Haruno: lol
[7:17 PM] Haruno: but yh
[7:17 PM] Haruno: idk what village can do
[7:17 PM] Haruno: and i can't claim shit till i figure out how strong village roles are
[7:19 PM] Hitmonleet: Well, my role is pretty standard
[7:19 PM] Hitmonleet: You?
[7:20 PM] Haruno: fucking garbage
[7:20 PM] Hitmonleet: Why tho?
[7:20 PM] Hitmonleet: If anything, I'd expect slime to be a good role
[7:20 PM] Haruno: slimes aren't known
[7:20 PM] Haruno: for being good lol
[7:20 PM] Haruno: they're like
[7:20 PM] Hitmonleet: Like, Roleblocker or reflexive something
[7:20 PM] Haruno: starting enemies
[7:21 PM] Hitmonleet: I mean, dnd oozes have some good traits
[7:21 PM] Hitmonleet: Like crit immunity
[7:21 PM] Haruno: shrug
[7:21 PM] Haruno: but yeah
[7:21 PM] Haruno: i think my role is garbage
[7:22 PM] Hitmonleet: Well, if I may ask, does your ability target others, and is it harmful or harmless?
[7:22 PM] Haruno: won't say anything
[7:22 PM] Haruno: regarding it
[7:22 PM] Haruno: why?
[7:22 PM] Hitmonleet: Because I need someone to help me confirm something
[7:22 PM] Haruno: ?
[7:22 PM] Haruno: wut
[7:22 PM] Hitmonleet: By targetting me with an ability
[7:22 PM] Haruno: which would do what?
[7:23 PM] Hitmonleet: That does anything
[7:23 PM] Hitmonleet: Except kill me
[7:23 PM] Haruno: i meant
[7:23 PM] Haruno: why
[7:23 PM] Haruno: would you want someone to target
[7:23 PM] Haruno: what would that do for you
[7:23 PM] Hitmonleet: To confirm an SG claim
[7:23 PM] Haruno: o-o
[7:24 PM] Haruno: are you an sg
[7:24 PM] Haruno: or rather
[7:24 PM] Haruno: if you arent
[7:24 PM] Haruno: why would an sg
[7:24 PM] Haruno: be willing to target u and tell u this so early
[7:25 PM] Hitmonleet: Because the SG is conditional
[7:25 PM] Hitmonleet: At least, they've claimed it to be
[7:25 PM] Hitmonleet: And I need someone to target me so I know it actually worked
[7:26 PM] Haruno: again
[7:26 PM] Haruno: why would someone claim an sg to you
[7:26 PM] Haruno: so soon
[7:26 PM] Haruno: for no reason o_O
[7:26 PM] Haruno: this whole thing
[7:26 PM] Haruno: seems sketch af
[7:26 PM] Hitmonleet: It's something I don't feel too comfortable with sharing
[7:26 PM] Hitmonleet: But needless to say
[7:26 PM] Hitmonleet: I have role related reasons for believing this
[7:27 PM] Haruno: it's just
[7:27 PM] Haruno: susp
[7:27 PM] Haruno: on why someone would claim that
[7:28 PM] Haruno: and again anyone targeting you randomly
[7:28 PM] Haruno: seems risky
[7:32 PM] Hitmonleet: "Role related reasons"
[7:32 PM] Hitmonleet: Hint hint
[7:32 PM] Hitmonleet: hint hint
[7:32 PM] Haruno: ?
[7:32 PM] Hitmonleet: HINT HINT
[7:32 PM] Haruno: no clue
[7:32 PM] Haruno: what that hint
[7:32 PM] Haruno: would imply
[7:33 PM] Hitmonleet: Roles that have reason to know other roles/players are town d0
[7:33 PM] Hitmonleet: hint hint
[7:35 PM] Haruno: so dragon twins
[7:35 PM] Haruno: or something
[7:35 PM] Haruno: with ullar
[7:35 PM] Haruno: o_K

So near the end, he indirectly implies he has a twin when he refers to "role related reasons" and it seems suspicious as fuck but that's passable.

However, when he did eventually pubclaim, he completely left out the part about having a twin which is something very odd since a twin can easily go up to myself/ullar or whichever baddie is leading village this game and be like OH IM LEETS TWIN, CAN CONFIRM HES VILLAGE DRAGON! DONT LYNCH PLZ! but he doesn't do this and instead makes this whole shitshow about being forced to claim when really his twin could have cleared up anything for him. Also keep in mind that leet wanted people to mass target him to "test" a sg or w/e the fuck that means.

Then moving on I have some juicy logs with him post claim.

[12:45 PM] Hitmonleet: That moment when you're tired of bad village leaders
[12:45 PM] Hitmonleet: And you pub claim everything
[1:30 PM] Haruno: Why did you conveniently
[1:30 PM] Haruno: Leave out that you're a twin
[1:30 PM] Hitmonleet: Boi
[1:30 PM] Hitmonleet: I implied it
[1:30 PM] Hitmonleet: And I didn't want to reveal my twin this early

[1:30 PM] Haruno: I meant
[1:31 PM] Haruno: In your pub claim
[1:31 PM] Hitmonleet: ^^
[1:31 PM] Haruno: why so?
[1:31 PM] Haruno: and then
[1:31 PM] Haruno: this boils down to
[1:31 PM] Haruno: who your supposed sg is
[1:31 PM] Hitmonleet: My twin

[1:32 PM] Haruno: .
[1:32 PM] Haruno: why make the sudden change now?
[1:32 PM] Hitmonleet: ?
[1:32 PM] Haruno: why did you make the specification
[1:32 PM] Haruno: that now it's your twin
[1:32 PM] Haruno: with the sg
[1:32 PM] Haruno: as opposed to making them sound like two seperate people
[1:32 PM] Haruno: that's a pretty important distinction to have made

[1:32 PM] Hitmonleet: Because I think that I can actually trust you
[1:33 PM] Haruno: hm
[1:33 PM] Haruno: also
[1:33 PM] Haruno: why the fuck
[1:33 PM] Haruno: is a dragon the watcher
[1:33 PM] Haruno: like what is the flavor
[1:33 PM] Hitmonleet: I'm not permitted to state flavor
[1:49 PM] Haruno: .
[1:50 PM] Haruno: then ur claim is still bullshit
[1:50 PM] Haruno: as far as im concerned
[1:51 PM] Hitmonleet: As in, literally
[1:51 PM] Hitmonleet: I asked the hosts if I could claim flavor
[1:51 PM] Hitmonleet: And they said no
[1:51 PM] Hitmonleet: If you want proof, then ask them if you can claim ability flavor
[1:51 PM] Haruno: the fuck lol
[1:51 PM] Haruno: that's some asinine shit

So what we gathered from these logs are some key points,
1, the conditional sg = leet's twin.
2. leet rather pubreveal a powerful as fuck role in tracker IN ADDITION to posting results as opposed to leaking the fact that he has a twin which does not seem like information worth hiding seeing as how dungeons tend to have a myriad of twin roles.
3. He avoided answering when I asked why he had to make the distinction between having a twin + some nig sg'ing him as opposed to saying they do the same thing which is very odd seeing as how again that's a very minor point.

So what I have against leet rn is.
1. His whole pubclaim is unnecessary because his twin could just as easily as vouched for him without him pubclaiming and he's very touchy on telling people that he even has a twin.
2. He avoided mentioning having a twin as a whole in his pubclaim which means he lied about his pubclaim since although he might potentially be a tracker, the fact that he omitted having a twin means his credibility is shot.
3. He wanted people to mass target him to "test" a sg which is an odd request in itself, why would he need to "test" a sg? He should just knows he has one, this is sketchy at best prior to his pubclaim where he made the distinction that his twin + sg are two different people, however now that he changed the story from twin + sg to twin with an sg, it makes no fucking sense why he wanted people to mass target him and why he would doubt the credibility of his twin.

I'm guessing he would assume I wouldn't talk to anyone about how he has a twin so his lie could go through and he could successfully avoid a lynch after this shitshow but now it's much more sketchy. So everyone prepare your pitchforks and lynch leet unless he has a very fucking good explanation or his twin steps up and bails him out.
 

Ullar

card-carrying wife-guy
is a Smogon Discord Contributor
i can tell you he does not: have a twin, it's just leet misunderstanding things again

there is another role itg that knows his rolename; it isn't s fucking twin, and i have no goddamn clue why he calls it a twin

im not gonna vote for or against tbh; im on the fence atm
 
if we need a lynch we can rand people for scummy presence. idt that's a good idea though, since in OC there's usually a plethora of info roles, so a mislynch is worse than a nolynch is worse than a lucky scum lynch. considering our luck with village leaders, i don't think we'll get lucky on our lynch, no lynch makes most sense to me. and i do no lynch.
 

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