No and no, at least according to PBR. In addition, it only works once per turn.
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DP Research Thread #6 (Even newer)
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I just tested it, and Technician does not give a boost to hurting oneself in ones confusion.
This was brought up on a custom Shoddy server I was visiting. During a battle I had with someone, my opponent decided to switch their Dark/Flying Fakemon who had Color Change as it's ability into me predicting a Earthquake. Well he was right about me using EQ, but in a weird twist of fate his Flying Fakemon took damage from my Earthquake and died. Because this "glitch" I have some questions involving Color Change that needs some answers.
1. If Color Change was given to a Pokemon other than Kecleon, what happens to that's Pokemon's original typing? The Admin on that server says the ability starts the Pokemon off as a Normal type, but I want to be sure about this claim.
2. If a dual type Pokemon with Color Change is hit by a different typed attack, does it wipe both of the Pokemon's original typing or just the first one?
3. Are the result from the first two question the same if tested within FRLG.
1. If Color Change was given to a Pokemon other than Kecleon, what happens to that's Pokemon's original typing? The Admin on that server says the ability starts the Pokemon off as a Normal type, but I want to be sure about this claim.
2. If a dual type Pokemon with Color Change is hit by a different typed attack, does it wipe both of the Pokemon's original typing or just the first one?
3. Are the result from the first two question the same if tested within FRLG.
Thanks for the clarification Staraptor Call.
I have another question:
I checked bulbapedia, serebii, google, and smogon for details on the move Mist. However, one thing that was very unclear is whether it prevents stat reductions from things like Draco Meteor, or if it's basically like Clear Body. Could anyone please clarify this?
I have another question:
I checked bulbapedia, serebii, google, and smogon for details on the move Mist. However, one thing that was very unclear is whether it prevents stat reductions from things like Draco Meteor, or if it's basically like Clear Body. Could anyone please clarify this?
I just tested this, and it acts the same way as clear body. Draco Meteor still caused a Special Attack drop after use when Mist was in play.
I was wondering is it possible to RNG a pokemon that, say, you got from an event and is waiting to be picked up at the poke-mart? Like can I make it so that the pokemon I recieve has awsome IV's with/ without it being a shiney? Thanks.
Just look in the RNG thread in Wi-Fi, The Yatagarasu. It explains the use of the RNG as pertaining to Poke-Mart delivery Pokemon.
They say you must have a non-chained Shiny in order to calculate your Secret ID. However, some time ago here on Smogon I read that if you have 4-5 (not sure which number) chained Shinies you can then calculate your Secret ID. Is this true?
If a frozen Pokemon uses Flame Wheel / Sacred Fire, but is also confused, can it still hurt itself in its confusion? If it does, does it remain frozen or does it thaw? Same for a frozen Pokemon with Truant, which might be easier to test but could theoretically give different results.
Where does a move having 0 PP fall in the veto tiers? This can be tested by using a move with low PP twice in a row, with a faster Pokemon using Spite before the second execution.
Where does a move having 0 PP fall in the veto tiers? This can be tested by using a move with low PP twice in a row, with a faster Pokemon using Spite before the second execution.
Hi. I ran some tests, including one of obi's that I quoted below. All of these tests where made on Pearl version against the twins with two Pachirisu under Floaroma town. I read some posts back that it should be done in Heart Gold or Soul Silver, but I still don't have those versions. At least these tests can be used as a starting point.
The first I used a Bronzor (Lvl 5) with Trick Room and a Misdreavus (over Lvl 40) with Spite. The battle went like this (I'll cut out the Pachirisus' moves, because I don't remember them and they don't affect the outcome anyway):
Turn 1:
Misdreavus Spites one of the Pachirisu, Bronzor uses Trick Room (4 PP afterwards)
Turn 2:
Misdreavus Spites the other Pachirisu, Bronzor uses Trick Room (3 PP)
Turn 3:
Misdreavus Spites Bronzor and the message says that Trick Room's PP was reduced by 3 (in other words, the game doesn't take more PP than those that are left), and afterwards Bronzor uses Trick Room (now with 0 PP) and the following message apears: "But there was no PP left for the move!"
In the following turn I checked the PP of Trick Room and it was at 0, so using a move with 0 PP doesn't put the PP of the move under 0 or anything like that (and I was waiting for a glitch :P )...
I did a second test with similar results. This time I used a second Misdreavus (lvl 5) instead of Bronzor, that I will call MisdreavusB, that had Perish Song, also with 5 PP.
Turn 1:
Misdreavus Spites MisdreavusB and fails, MisdreavusB uses Perish Song (4 PP afterwards)
Turn 2:
Misdreavus Spites MisdreavusB and reduces Perish Song's PP by 4, MisdreavusB uses Perish Song (now with 0 PP) and the "But there was no PP left for the move!" message apears.
So it looks like you can actually use Spite as a makeshift Protect if your Pokémon is faster than the oponent and the move the oponent is going to use has 4 or less PP left.
Second problem:
After all the talking about Shadow Force working as Feint, I had the doubt if it worked for the entire turn or only after it hit. For this test I used a Giratina with Shadow Force and a Rayquaza with ExtremeSpeed (to attack Giratina and do nothing) and Protect.
Turn 1:
Rayquaza ExtremeSpeeds Giratina (no damage), both Pachirisu Quick Attack Rayquaza and hit, then Giratina "vanishes instantly" with Rayquaza as it's target.
Turn 2:
Rayquaza Protects, both Pachirisu Quick Attack Rayquaza and fail to hit due to Protect, then Giratina hits Rayquaza with Shadow Force.
I did a second round with this test with the same results.
So we can see that Shadow Force only takes down Protect after it hits. I would assume that Feint woks the same way, but since it has it's own priority bracket, it may be hard to test. The only thing I see that can be tested is if a second Feint fails after the first one breaks a Protect...
Third problem:
For Future Sight, the special attack and special defence used on calculating damage are those of the Pokémon (user and target) that are on field when the attack is selected. In the same way, acording to the Smogon page of the move, Protect will only work on Future Sight if used on the turn it is selected. But what about accuracy? When does the move check if it hits or misses?
For this test I used a Bronzong with Future Sight, a Staraptor with Double Team, and a third Pokémon that I will call X (because I don't remember which Pokémon it was :P ) for "place holding"
The battle goes as followed:
Turn 1
Bronzong and Pokémon X are on the field. Bronzong Future Sights X and X wastes time.
Turn 2
Pokémon X is switched out for Staraptor and Bronzong Hypnosis one of the Pachirisu.
Turn 3
Staraptor uses Double Team and Bronzong Hypnosis the other Pachirisu (don't know if Hypnosis hits any turn, doesn't matter anyway, it's just stalling turns). At the end of the turn Future Sight comes (I'll show a hit and miss counting at the end).
After this the battle enters the following loop:
Turn 1 of loop
Staraptor is switched for Pokémon X and Bronzong Future Sights X.
Turn 2 of loop
Pokémon X is switched out for Staraptor and Bronzong Hypnosis the Pachirisus, recovers PP of Future Sight or of Double Team or even recovers Staraptors HP (to let the battle go longer).
Turn 3 of loop
Staraptor uses Double Team and Bronzong continues wasting time. At the end of the turn Future Sight comes.
End of loop
So after the first 3 turns and 44 loops (or in other words, 45 Future Sight turns) I obtained the following hit count:
27 hits and 18 misses in 45 Future Sights. This would mean a 27/45=60% accuracy.
With one Double Team, Future Sight's accuracy will be 90%*0.75=67.5%.
With the 60% that I obtained, I think we can tell that the evasion modifiers used to calculate if Future Sight hits or not (and consequntly, the turn the hit test is done) are those of the Pokémon in the field at the moment the move comes.
I don't know if there is any problem with the tests I made (maybe should have done more turns for the Future Sight test?) but if you see any please tell me.
I did two tests for this:
The first I used a Bronzor (Lvl 5) with Trick Room and a Misdreavus (over Lvl 40) with Spite. The battle went like this (I'll cut out the Pachirisus' moves, because I don't remember them and they don't affect the outcome anyway):
Turn 1:
Misdreavus Spites one of the Pachirisu, Bronzor uses Trick Room (4 PP afterwards)
Turn 2:
Misdreavus Spites the other Pachirisu, Bronzor uses Trick Room (3 PP)
Turn 3:
Misdreavus Spites Bronzor and the message says that Trick Room's PP was reduced by 3 (in other words, the game doesn't take more PP than those that are left), and afterwards Bronzor uses Trick Room (now with 0 PP) and the following message apears: "But there was no PP left for the move!"
In the following turn I checked the PP of Trick Room and it was at 0, so using a move with 0 PP doesn't put the PP of the move under 0 or anything like that (and I was waiting for a glitch :P )...
I did a second test with similar results. This time I used a second Misdreavus (lvl 5) instead of Bronzor, that I will call MisdreavusB, that had Perish Song, also with 5 PP.
Turn 1:
Misdreavus Spites MisdreavusB and fails, MisdreavusB uses Perish Song (4 PP afterwards)
Turn 2:
Misdreavus Spites MisdreavusB and reduces Perish Song's PP by 4, MisdreavusB uses Perish Song (now with 0 PP) and the "But there was no PP left for the move!" message apears.
So it looks like you can actually use Spite as a makeshift Protect if your Pokémon is faster than the oponent and the move the oponent is going to use has 4 or less PP left.
Second problem:
After all the talking about Shadow Force working as Feint, I had the doubt if it worked for the entire turn or only after it hit. For this test I used a Giratina with Shadow Force and a Rayquaza with ExtremeSpeed (to attack Giratina and do nothing) and Protect.
Turn 1:
Rayquaza ExtremeSpeeds Giratina (no damage), both Pachirisu Quick Attack Rayquaza and hit, then Giratina "vanishes instantly" with Rayquaza as it's target.
Turn 2:
Rayquaza Protects, both Pachirisu Quick Attack Rayquaza and fail to hit due to Protect, then Giratina hits Rayquaza with Shadow Force.
I did a second round with this test with the same results.
So we can see that Shadow Force only takes down Protect after it hits. I would assume that Feint woks the same way, but since it has it's own priority bracket, it may be hard to test. The only thing I see that can be tested is if a second Feint fails after the first one breaks a Protect...
Third problem:
For Future Sight, the special attack and special defence used on calculating damage are those of the Pokémon (user and target) that are on field when the attack is selected. In the same way, acording to the Smogon page of the move, Protect will only work on Future Sight if used on the turn it is selected. But what about accuracy? When does the move check if it hits or misses?
For this test I used a Bronzong with Future Sight, a Staraptor with Double Team, and a third Pokémon that I will call X (because I don't remember which Pokémon it was :P ) for "place holding"
The battle goes as followed:
Turn 1
Bronzong and Pokémon X are on the field. Bronzong Future Sights X and X wastes time.
Turn 2
Pokémon X is switched out for Staraptor and Bronzong Hypnosis one of the Pachirisu.
Turn 3
Staraptor uses Double Team and Bronzong Hypnosis the other Pachirisu (don't know if Hypnosis hits any turn, doesn't matter anyway, it's just stalling turns). At the end of the turn Future Sight comes (I'll show a hit and miss counting at the end).
After this the battle enters the following loop:
Turn 1 of loop
Staraptor is switched for Pokémon X and Bronzong Future Sights X.
Turn 2 of loop
Pokémon X is switched out for Staraptor and Bronzong Hypnosis the Pachirisus, recovers PP of Future Sight or of Double Team or even recovers Staraptors HP (to let the battle go longer).
Turn 3 of loop
Staraptor uses Double Team and Bronzong continues wasting time. At the end of the turn Future Sight comes.
End of loop
So after the first 3 turns and 44 loops (or in other words, 45 Future Sight turns) I obtained the following hit count:
27 hits and 18 misses in 45 Future Sights. This would mean a 27/45=60% accuracy.
With one Double Team, Future Sight's accuracy will be 90%*0.75=67.5%.
With the 60% that I obtained, I think we can tell that the evasion modifiers used to calculate if Future Sight hits or not (and consequntly, the turn the hit test is done) are those of the Pokémon in the field at the moment the move comes.
I don't know if there is any problem with the tests I made (maybe should have done more turns for the Future Sight test?) but if you see any please tell me.
roar/whirlwind and pursuit
In doubles, If a sleeping aerodactyl sleeptalks roar/whirlwind on an opposing pokemon and aerodactyl's slower partner pursuits the same pokemon does it hit the roared/whirlwinded pokemon (for what base power) or the pokemon that comes in. If it hits the pokemon that comes in what is the base power?
In doubles, If a sleeping aerodactyl sleeptalks roar/whirlwind on an opposing pokemon and aerodactyl's slower partner pursuits the same pokemon does it hit the roared/whirlwinded pokemon (for what base power) or the pokemon that comes in. If it hits the pokemon that comes in what is the base power?
Rage and Attract
Double Battle, but I'm ignoring my Paras that only used Bullet Seed
Turn A:
Croconaw uses Rage, Croconaw became infatuated (Cute Charm)
Clefable used Doubleslap, Croconaw's Rage was building x3
Clefable used Doubleslap, Croconaw's Rage was building x2
Turn B:
Croconaw used Bite, no infatuation
Clefable fainted (the previously attractive one)
Clefable used Doubleslap
Wigglytuff is sent out
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In the quoted battle, Rage didn't build, it just seemed to negate infatuation. Rage clearly built, from two different attackers, after my Croconaw was infatuated via Cute Charm.
It's either a shift in mechanics from the tested game to HGSS, or it's different mechanics in the timing of Rage and Attraction. The Smeargle was infatuated beforehand and then became enraged. My Croconaw was enraged and then infatuated from a single attack (but I'm not clear if Rage status starts on execution or when a hit is received, so maybe I was still infatuated first).
I'm not sure if this was DP, Pl, or HGSS, but I had a similar situation with Rage canceling Attract, but it there's a major difference in my situation (which occurred in HGSS).
Double Battle, but I'm ignoring my Paras that only used Bullet Seed
Turn A:
Croconaw uses Rage, Croconaw became infatuated (Cute Charm)
Clefable used Doubleslap, Croconaw's Rage was building x3
Clefable used Doubleslap, Croconaw's Rage was building x2
Turn B:
Croconaw used Bite, no infatuation
Clefable fainted (the previously attractive one)
Clefable used Doubleslap
Wigglytuff is sent out
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In the quoted battle, Rage didn't build, it just seemed to negate infatuation. Rage clearly built, from two different attackers, after my Croconaw was infatuated via Cute Charm.
It's either a shift in mechanics from the tested game to HGSS, or it's different mechanics in the timing of Rage and Attraction. The Smeargle was infatuated beforehand and then became enraged. My Croconaw was enraged and then infatuated from a single attack (but I'm not clear if Rage status starts on execution or when a hit is received, so maybe I was still infatuated first).
Can someone confirm/deny that this EVing method works in game on HGSS (because that's the most recent game):
From here: http://www.smogon.com/forums/showpost.php?p=2535074&postcount=112
supermarth64:
I would assume the trick works because the game recalculates the Pokemon's stats as it reduces its effort values. The same thing happens with leveling up and using "vitamins" (which I call stat enhancers.) Since a level 100 Pokemon can't level up and stat enhancers fail to work at a certain point, the only recourse is to use stat-reducing Berries to recalculate the stats.
tendo64, Fat Jimbo:
I've confirmed that the behavior exists in Diamond and Pearl. Therefore, I've modified my attack description for Rage to cover it:
I would assume the trick works because the game recalculates the Pokemon's stats as it reduces its effort values. The same thing happens with leveling up and using "vitamins" (which I call stat enhancers.) Since a level 100 Pokemon can't level up and stat enhancers fail to work at a certain point, the only recourse is to use stat-reducing Berries to recalculate the stats.
tendo64, Fat Jimbo:
I've confirmed that the behavior exists in Diamond and Pearl. Therefore, I've modified my attack description for Rage to cover it:
The use of Defog ends fog no matter how it's caused: "Even if opponent's evasiveness cannot be decreased, ... ends fog".
Gravity multiplies each active Pokemon's Accuracy by 10/6: During effect, each active Pokémon's Accuracy is multiplied by 10/6. Note that this effect does not modify the evasiveness stat stage. (The Smogon page says that "evasion" is decreased. However, I use "evasion" or evasiveness to refer only to the evasiveness stat stage, which is subtracted from the Accuracy stat stage in accuracy checks.)
Fog multiplies each active Pokemon's Accuracy by 6/10.
When both effects occur, first fog takes effect, then Gravity takes effect.
Gravity multiplies each active Pokemon's Accuracy by 10/6: During effect, each active Pokémon's Accuracy is multiplied by 10/6. Note that this effect does not modify the evasiveness stat stage. (The Smogon page says that "evasion" is decreased. However, I use "evasion" or evasiveness to refer only to the evasiveness stat stage, which is subtracted from the Accuracy stat stage in accuracy checks.)
Fog multiplies each active Pokemon's Accuracy by 6/10.
When both effects occur, first fog takes effect, then Gravity takes effect.
Is that information taken directly from the game's code?
What is the smallest unit of accuracy? In other words, is accuracy to a single digit (97.5% = 97%), a tenth of a percent (90.13% = 90.1%), or is it some other number (such as x / 256)? Without this information there is no way to distinguish 5/3 accuracy from 3/5 evasion other than directly reading the game's code.
What is the smallest unit of accuracy? In other words, is accuracy to a single digit (97.5% = 97%), a tenth of a percent (90.13% = 90.1%), or is it some other number (such as x / 256)? Without this information there is no way to distinguish 5/3 accuracy from 3/5 evasion other than directly reading the game's code.
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