I only see them scarfed myself for the most part. Not too many mixes and even less bands. The mixed sets aren't that scary, really. You'll see the recoil and know he'll be switching moves, though with less power than other Pokemon. I'd be much more afraid of the band, as the Outrage and Earthquake hit pretty hard with Adamant. I've used it on a couple teams and it's nice mid/late game (try it with Gravity, it's fun). Problem with either set is the speed and possibility of giving away free turns because you used the wrong move. Scarf can be thrown on most teams, the other two, build them to maximize their potential.What kind of Flygons have you guys been seeing? The Flygo's I've seen are hardly ever scarfed. Mostly Banded or even Mixed.
I've picked up Choice Band Tyranitar again and he bashes holes in pretty much anything. Even without the speed, his bulk, Rock-typing, and sandstorm boost keep it on the field and he's never taken down in any sort of speed (unless by Fighting moves). Don't use the on-site EV spread though. Max HP and put a little into its defenses at the cost of some Attack. Because of the Band, it won't be that much weaker.An important change I've noticed is the huge lack of max/max physically defensive walls. Hippo, Gliscor, Skarm, Forry etc. are all preferring specially defensive spreads, while walls such as Restalk Gyra and Suicune are much less common.
What this means is that Choice banding physical attackers is incredibly effective. If they have speed they aren't a liability against offense. The success of pokemon such as CB Flygon and CB Infernape is a great example.
Lesser known sets or niche/gimmick stuff that can catch people by surprise?Are there any sets you guys know of that you think most people are seriously not prepared for? For example: A few months ago some guy climbed to #1 on PS simply because of his Endeavor Infernape lead. No one knew how to handle it but once people caught on he slowly dropped.
I was speaking lesser known sets but gimmicks are valid too.Lesser known sets or niche/gimmick stuff that can catch people by surprise?
Couple ways to answer this. For the known stuff, the obvious ones to not be unprepared for are guys like Breloom, Gliscor, or Suicune for example. Always have a counter/protocol for those two or you'll be sorry.
I'm assuming you're referring to underused sets though (because of the Infernape). Personally, it's tough to give a solid answer from everyone as a whole. We see different things and get different results. Something I've been using is Trick+Iron Ball Metagross. The great thing about it is that unlike the Choice Items, Iron Ball has an extremely miniscule chance of providing any negative effects. While it's not as crippling as throwing a choice item on a wall, anything can be affected by the ball. Speed is lowered, the lose their item, and their immunity to ground attacks. They'll almost never see it coming so you'll be able to catch his normal counters easily and weaken them for the rest of the match. Just an example.
I think Flygon is amazing Mixed or Choice Band, first set is great on balance because with Roost it can actually switch in on some stuff, and it will usually get a kill even now that it is prepared for. People are pretty much too forced to predict around it to bring in something that outspeeds, so you need to be able to get it in a couple of times and you will almost certainly get a KO with it, possibly more. Choice Band Flygon just hits really hard with amazing Dual STAB and U-turn.
As for Choice Scarf, it's still relatively good but I don't really use it that much. It doesn't really revenge kill all the things I usually want my revenge killer to KO, namely Lucario (big), Gyarados, Shuca Tyranitar, Adamant LO Dragonite and Swords Dance Scizor. It does revenge kill Kingdra, Empoleon and Infernape though, which is a plus.
But if you look at common Choice Scarfers, you can see one thing in common for most of them. Jirachi, Rotom-A, Heatran, Tyranitar, Magnezone. They all resist ExtremeSpeed so they can revenge kill Lucario. Lucario is just so big imo to revenge kill, it's really annoying if you don't have a (backup) check for it in your Scarfer so you really need a team that already handles Lucario.
(Also yes they are not the only Scarfers, there are also Raikou, Infernape, Scizor, Lucario, Gengar, and Metagross but that's still 4/6 resisting ExtremeSpeed).
Well technically I suppose Scarf Jirachi with Iron Head and the elemental punches can take out all of those like Morpheus said. As well as Lucario with Thunderpunch.Which scarfmon can take out all of those?
Ah fair enough.Well technically I suppose Scarf Jirachi with Iron Head and the elemental punches can take out all of those like Morpheus said. As well as Lucario with Thunderpunch.
Though, I didn't mean to say that a Scarfer must be able to revenge kill all of those mentioned threats. I was just noting that for the Pokémon that I usually want revenge killed when building my team, I often feel like Flygon misses out on some of these, so I usually don't use him as my Scarfer. This might just as well be because of how I build my teams, of course.
Yeah the speed is a logical thing to do, I just prefer the bulk because of the way I played it.
Are there any sets you guys know of that you think most people are seriously not prepared for? For example: A few months ago some guy climbed to #1 on PS simply because of his Endeavor Infernape lead. No one knew how to handle it but once people caught on he slowly dropped.
drop roostI think Flygon is amazing Mixed or Choice Band, first set is great on balance because with Roost
youre welcome for that set, (BAN ME PLEASE)
confirming outrage mixgon rules. originally i tried it on dragonite but turns out that shit sucks so i went with flygon since i was annoyed by the sr weak and the results are great, also having stab on eq is amazing so defensive heatran/jirachi cant get cute. 2hkoing sdef hippo switchins is fantastic.