I feel you have some veracity in that statement. Blaziken needs a turn to really do something; Infernape needs none. I feel although that fast, readily available power could find him a nice niche in some teams.I still don't think Blaziken has outclassed Infernape because speed boot requires a turn to set up. this means you have to have good prediction skills and come in on a NFE move. It is that or sacrifice move slot for protect or substitute. Infernape still has immediate damage upon switch in going for him along with immediate speed. Infernape has a better movepool as well.
Yah in BL.Infernape will still have its uses.
Yep I agree.blaziken and infernape both are going to be outclassed but i can see BOTH of them in the ou because they'll be to good for UU.
Well not really.Blaziken can run a mixed set that would outclass the Monkey.I still don't think Blaziken has outclassed Infernape because speed boot requires a turn to set up. this means you have to have good prediction skills and come in on a NFE move. It is that or sacrifice move slot for protect or substitute. Infernape still has immediate damage upon switch in going for him along with immediate speed. Infernape has a better movepool as well.
Did this bring a tear to anybody elses eye? :')I would like to include sets that Infernape does uniquely and not outclassed by Blaziken.
Are you crying because you don't want to believe Infernape is outclassed or because that was a ridiculous statement because Infernape is outclassed in almost every way :(Did this bring a tear to anybody elses eye? :')
The speed would differ from person to person.I guess less Special attack might be an option since the things that are weak to fire get ko'ed anyways.Also being faster than ScarfTar means being faster than Starmie.That's actually a really cool set hero, although I would prefer running 244 speed to beat Scarftar.
Did this bring a tear to anybody elses eye? :')
If you're going to use Infernape without being 'outclassed' your best options are probably LeadApe or ScarfApe.
LeadApe's success will depend on how the 'lead metagame' develops but he proved himself to be a reliable lead throughout most of DPPt so I'm sure he'll do just fine in that role.
Although the popularity of the set probably contradicts me, I always thought ScarfApe was one of the best (Scarf) revenge-killers in all of DPPt.
Infernape @ Choice Scarf
Naive
68 Atk / 252 SpA / 188 Spe
- Fire Blast / Overheat
- Close Combat
- Hidden Power Ice
- Thunderpunch / U-turn
In the 4th gen, he was a reliable revenge killer to ScarfChomp, DDTyranitar, DDMence, AgilaGross, DDGyarados, NPAzelf, SDWeavile, SDScizor, AgilityEmpoleon and many more.
In the 5th Gen, you can add the likes of Uragamosu, SDTerakion, Ononokusu, Shell-Break Cloyster, Speed Boost Blaziken etc to that list.
Blaziken can't do this. When it comes to revenge-killing, he's too slow on the turn that counts most.
I'm crying because I've been a huge Blaziken fan for years and was getting sick of acknowledging that he was trash in comparison to Infernape. But how the tables have turned! :)Are you crying because you don't want to believe Infernape is outclassed or because that was a ridiculous statement because Infernape is outclassed in almost every way :(
A MixApe will only have the edge on MixKen if he comes in on something with over 80 base Spe. If not, MixKen has every advantage in the world (higher Atk, higher SpA, a 130 BP STAB move and the promise of shooting up to almost 400 Speed at the end of the turn).lmitchell0012 said:Sure, blaziken got speed boost but as stated previously by many others it takes time for blaziken to get set up. Infernape can come in and start tearing up the metagame as soon as he gets in.
Gonna quote myself from the OP of the Blaziken thread:lmitchell0012 said:Also, blaziken lacks the ability to damage ground and water types, which infernape can do very well (grass knot).
Here's the parallel calculations, showing how much standard MixApe (259 Atk / 307 SpA) deals to those Water types with his relevant moves.Lee said:Fire Blast + Hidden Power vs 252/0 Slowbro = 96.7% minimum
HJK + HJK vs 252/252+ Vaporeon = 94.4% minimum
Hidden Power Grass vs 252/0 Swampert = 105.94% minimum
HJK + Hidden Power vs 252/252 Def+ Suicune = 78.46% minimum
Fire Blast + -1 Stone Edge vs 252/0 Gyarados = 78.68% minimum
So that's 5 of the toughest bulky waters on the game all getting obliterated on the switch in unboosted.
Even if Blaziken did learn Nasty Plot, I'm sure he'd just use Swords Dance, Cheer Up or even Claw Sharpen 99 times out of 100 instead so 'meh.'Blaziken also has no means of boosting his special attack, whereas infernape can boost his attack or special attack 2 stages in 1 turn!
Iron Fist is x1.2, Technician is x1.5.That being said, i think a choice banded mach punch is nothing to scoff at. I mean, iron fist is essentially a technician boost for mach punch right? Doesn't get the BEST coverage, but neither did bullet punch did it?
Then again they aren't keeping Meta Game in mind when creating this stuff. Limber sounds so random. "Its a monkey! Those are limber!" That is awful logic. I think Hitmonchan looks pretty limber, and Medicham and slew of others, but they didnt get those did they?I find it odd Gamefreak didn't give 'Nape Limber. I mean, he is a monkey/ape mix after all. It would've given him a little edge over Blaziken too, as both are stopped cold by Paralysis. Then again, this is Gamefreak logic.
Speed Boost Blaziken is obnoxiously over-hyped, and I fully believe that it will end up being the Electivire/ Weavile of this generation. Don't get me wrong, speed boost is a huge boon to Blaziken, but that doesn't mean it outclasses Infernape. Blaziken doesn't have very much variety in his movesets, and a speed boost doesn't mean much when someone can switch in a scarfer/ aqua jet user fairly easily; this is even more of a problem when taking into account Ken's fragility.
Infernape is great because he forces so many switches, and people don't know if Nape will NP, SD, U-turn, or fire off an extremely high powered STAB on the switch. I won't really argue that Ken is now a better sweeper, but IMO Infernape best sets weren't geared towards all out sweeping.