if you set up Scraggy to like +3 without the opponent doing anything to you then I think I'm going to go ahead and put like dratini in A, i guess lets not stop there lets put krabby and other random set up Pokemon that get KOed by the most common threats unless they are given like 3 turns or fed 3 weakened Pokemon before the opponent switches in one of their counters (which every team has at least a couple).
And I didn't say Misdreavus counters Scraggy ffs I said it beats it. You get OHKOed by THE most common Pokemon and lose to most other members as well.
This argument is silly especially when you post calcs the way you do (I bet if I was trying to argue that +2 Pawniard beats Azurill you would post a calc of a Belly Drummed Azurill with TR in effect). It's simple that if you've used Scraggy you know it's underwhelming in this metagame in comparison to the rest of A and according to their definitions. There are lots of Pokemon in B that are more viable than Scraggy tbqh and that's without even looking too hard.
Simple difference between Scraggy and Dratini is that Scraggy has good bulk, a better typing, and only needs to set up once to get to +3. Moxie is an extremely viable option for an offensive Scraggy, and lets it kill everything once it gets going. The main point is, I'd love it if you could give me three counters for Scraggy. Not counters to scarf scraggy, which has quite a few, but three Pokemon which, under stealth rock and against a +1 Scraggy, can take any move it can viably run (yes, that would include Zen Headbutt and Poison Jab) twice and OHKO. Gimmicks don't count, as if Scraggy's forcing you to run gimmicks then it deserves A+ rank.
Misdreavus will beat Dragon Dance Scraggy only under two circumstances. 1) If it's facing an unboosted Scraggy, which means that the other person is probably using Scraggy badly or 2) if Misdreavus is scarfed. And hopefully we can agree that scarfed Misdreavus is a poor set in general.
Please stop resorting to the same thing you do every single time we disagree, AKA saying that I have no idea what I'm talking about. It just makes you look like an asshole without contributing anything to the discussion. As for the definition, Scraggy certainly sweeps a majority of the metagame.
Also, if you had ever used Azurill you would know it doesn't get Belly Drum.
I kinda agree. I really like Scraggy, and don't get me wrong, its a great poke. But after using it I felt like it was either underpowered or too overhyped, for a number of reasons:
1) Its a set-up sweeper who is weak to Fletching.
That should say enough. In a race to attack first, Fletching, in this case, will always win. Of course, no one is going to set up Scraggy when Fletchling is still alive, but this is considering how fletch is generally used predominantly later in the game and will almost never be switching in. Most times I faced fletch it had either >50% of HP or was dead. They usually always stay alive until very late game due to their ability to force switches so hard. This really limits what Scraggy can do, sweeper wise, since it will usually be worn down by the time it has the opportunity to sweep and is still beaten by fighting types, scarfed misdreavus, trubbish, fletch, etc.
2) Its ability to check Misdreavus is shaky.
Misdreavus has two moves that really scare Scraggy. WoW and Dazzling Gleam. I know Scraggy usually runs with Shed Skin, but that has failed me on a number of occasions. You can't really set up on Misdreavus unless you absolutely know it doesn't have DG and you're feeling extremely lucky about a 30% chance, because one missed Shed Skin spells doom for Scraggy.
3) It has a hard time competing with other pokemon.
Aside from Scraggy's sweeping ability, I find little reason to use it over other fighting types, especially since I do not want any added bird/fighting weaknesses. I'd be more inclined to choosing Mienfoo or Timburr or Croagunk for my team before I go with Scraggy. Additionally, it overlaps with Pawniard. Who I feel is a better pick for Knock Off abuser while still having a good clean-up game.
Does Scraggy deserve A? Fuck yes. Does Scraggy deserve S? Fuck no.
1) In your own words, "Of course, no one is going to set up Scraggy when Fletchling is still alive". Your own argument is weak, as essentially you're saying that it's fine if Scraggy kills something, Fletchling can just force it out. Let me put it another way, Scraggy's
least bulky Dragon Dance set (0/36) has a 6.3% chance to be OHKOed by acrobatics. In comparison, set up stealth rocks and the slightly bulkier set (36/156+/36/0-/36/212), though it has the same chance of surviving Fletchling's acrobatics, the only difference being that it doesn't matter if rocks are up now, OHKOs with drain punch 93.6% of the time at +1. Those are good odds, and I personally would bet on Scraggy winning.
Beyond that, Mienfoo is also weak to Fletchling, but maintains S rank. While the two, Mienfoo and Scraggy, perform different roles, Fletchling is still just as big a threat to Mienfoo, allowing the opponent to gain momentum as you're forced to switch, and Scraggy actually can survive an acrobatics. Incidentally, Scraggy is virtually the only fighting type that can check Fletchling, due to intimidate, which is huge. Sure, Fletchling checks Scraggy, but Scraggy can check it right back, even with minimal defense investment.
-1 196+ Atk Fletchling Acrobatics (110 BP) vs. 0 HP / 36 Def Eviolite Scraggy: 14-18 (66.6 - 85.7%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Stealth Rock
236+ Atk Scraggy High Jump Kick vs. 156 HP / 92 Def Fletchling: 21-25 (91.3 - 108.6%) -- guaranteed OHKO after Stealth Rock (37.5% without)
As for the other things you say beat it, Zen Headbutt, lol Scarf Missie, Zen Headbutt, and I covered Fletchling.
2) This is valid, however it's also completely pointless. Would you have Pawniard check Archen if Pawniard isn't scarfed? Scraggy doesn't need to check Misdreavus, Misdreavus needs to be worried about checking Scraggy. Setting up on a Pokemon that runs a move that Scraggy is 4x weak to is, pardon me if I come off as rude, a completely moronic decision that makes me question your mental stability. With the huge number of things in the meta that scraggy can set up on, why would it need to set up on Misdreavus?
3) Once again, quoting you "Aside from Scraggy's sweeping ability, I find little reason to use it over other fighting types". With that statement, you dismissed the reason to use Scraggy, which is not a good way to argue. Here, I'll respond in the same vein. Aside from Fletchling's ability to revenge kill or sweep the rare unprepared team, I see little reason to use it over other flying types. Do you see how bad that sounds?
It doesn't overlap with Mienfoo or Timburr or Croagunk or Pawniard aside from its typing and moves it uses. None of these Pokemon are sweepers, nor do they have the fantastic defenses and great offenses Scraggy lays claim to. It's like saying that I run Fletchling, so I don't want to run Archen.