Delver
I got the runs like Jagger
If murkrow and meditite get banned, were going to have gen 5 LC with berry smashers, and no ones looking forward to that. Murkrow and meditete are both strong and there is no denying that they greatly affect team building. However, if i may draw a parallel to Gen 5 scraggy ban discussions: forcing you to build around relevant threats is not toxic to team building or creativity in anyway and i think user Goddess Briyella has proven this more than anyone.
both murkrow and medite are drawing hate for being powerful diverse threats - and the last 12 pages of this discussion has basically been "they're broken because I dont know their set and I hate to play around the unknown."
I think the two biggest arguments so far have been:
-Meditite is broken because it can carry a 4th move to deal with anyting that would answer it: This means he doesnt have coverage for other things.
-Murkrow is actually sonic the hedgehog.: scarf users are real, and agaisnt the scarf set, priority is real.
Murkrow has gotten absolutely nothing this gen besides a new weakness and teh ability to break through the all-powerful noob identifier that was bronzor - and we decided he was keepable last gen. Its not even a matter of "having to run multiple dedicated murkrow counters" to deal with all the threats. Its 100% a matter of identifying the set and responding accordingly. The life orb set is hella strong and there is no denying that, especially with HP Grass. However the ability to 2hko the entire metagame comes at a cost, and i think those callng for a ban on it are ignoring the fact that pokemon is as much a game of minds as it is about spaming brave birds. I have never had an issue dealing with murkrow and meditite against bad players - and most of the time murkrow or tits goes off its because you're getting out played - as little as it may look. (and then there's crits and shit)
I have no doubts in my head that these two will be banned with the salt of the Dead Sea, tho.
To clarify, as it might seem like im attacking some players my argument is litterally: "Just because the queen is a good chess piece that you're forced to play around doesnt mean it should be banned from the board" and nothing more.
both murkrow and medite are drawing hate for being powerful diverse threats - and the last 12 pages of this discussion has basically been "they're broken because I dont know their set and I hate to play around the unknown."
I think the two biggest arguments so far have been:
-Meditite is broken because it can carry a 4th move to deal with anyting that would answer it: This means he doesnt have coverage for other things.
-Murkrow is actually sonic the hedgehog.: scarf users are real, and agaisnt the scarf set, priority is real.
Murkrow has gotten absolutely nothing this gen besides a new weakness and teh ability to break through the all-powerful noob identifier that was bronzor - and we decided he was keepable last gen. Its not even a matter of "having to run multiple dedicated murkrow counters" to deal with all the threats. Its 100% a matter of identifying the set and responding accordingly. The life orb set is hella strong and there is no denying that, especially with HP Grass. However the ability to 2hko the entire metagame comes at a cost, and i think those callng for a ban on it are ignoring the fact that pokemon is as much a game of minds as it is about spaming brave birds. I have never had an issue dealing with murkrow and meditite against bad players - and most of the time murkrow or tits goes off its because you're getting out played - as little as it may look. (and then there's crits and shit)
I have no doubts in my head that these two will be banned with the salt of the Dead Sea, tho.
To clarify, as it might seem like im attacking some players my argument is litterally: "Just because the queen is a good chess piece that you're forced to play around doesnt mean it should be banned from the board" and nothing more.