Lol @ Kizaru being in a different tier to Aokiji/Akainu. The difference between Aokiji/Akainu/Kizaru is so small that for all intents and purposes they're pretty much equal. This isn't really a fair comparison either, for it to be fair it would have to be a situation like Kizaru fights evenly with Blackbeard but Blackbeard runs away from Akainu. I'm sure that Blackbeard would have run away from both Aokiji and Kizaru as well if they showed up instead of Akainu.
Not sure why Kizaru fighting equally with Marco is a point against him either, remember the Gorosei mentioned Marco as a possible successor to the gap that Whitebeard left in his death? Marco is ridiculously strong compared to the rest of the OP world...
Why does fujitora being a new admiral mean that he's weaker than the preskip admirals btw? Until we see more of him, it's reasonable to assume that he's on the level of preskip admirals since he holds the same title (innocent until proven guilty..).
agree with everything you said there; I guess people want to put akainu > aokiji cause he "won" the duel, but I thought myself that oda's implication was pretty clear that they were basically even
ugh... Current luffy and zoro stand no chance at taking on Fujitora, Kizaru, Marco, Rayleigh or Mihawk. We're halfway through the story, for Zoro to be approaching a tier that Mihawk resides in wouldn't make sense. Doflamingo is the only character in Tobes Lower Admiral Tier than I can see Zoro and luffy being close to.
lol, you know I don't believe in tiers at all, I just temporarily went with it (should have known better, etc.)
I can't agree or disagree here tbh...it's really hard to gauge. Oda hasn't really built a work where his characters train in arc and then power up...they're either already far ahead of the playing field (initial character strengths get luffy able to fight with a shichi), power up in-arc without training (water 7), or train off-screen (time skip).
It is the middle-ish of the story sure, but based on that pattern, I wouldn't be surprised at all if Luffy / Zoro were far ahead of the pack and able to at least entertain the admiral level fighters, and then in a later arc get an in-arc power up (doubting there will be another timeskip to make up some huge power gap) to beat them
Didn't we all see Aokiji effortlessly flash-freeze Doflamingo, and then when Doflamingo broke out he was panting like a madman? Doflamingo is very strong but he's still no big deal for characters of admiral calibre. Some serious Admiral-underrating is going on itt.....
Nigga it's op...panting basically means he's sleeping. If he had a hole in his body I would barely consider it :P
And let's be real, assuming that he is "no big deal for admirals" is as much of an assumption that he is a big deal...we really have no idea as to his power.
http://www.mangapanda.com/one-piece/699/5 is the panting you are referring to, but he has a big ass smile on his face too so I'm not sure he's convinced he is in some completely overmatched position
i really do idolize the admirals because of the way oda has portrayed them so far in the series. even in the new world, fujitora was introduced as a character who is clearly above of everyone in the entire arc despite being surrounded by many big names on the island. they just feel like an obstacle you would conquer near the end of the series, not so much at a mid point of the series.
you bring up good points with luffy being at that level and its hard to argue against it, especially since the low admiral level seems like such a favourable position for luffy to earn before he even considers scrapping with big mom or any yonkou in general.
It's basically that and Oda's penchant to just making them strong enough usually, with some severe handicaps or in-arc non-training power ups occurring to keep the action going.
in my opinion, if luffy somehow manages to overcome flamingo convincingly without assistance, then he can earn that low admiral status. right now it just seems so unlikely because flamingo seems ahead of luffy based on his feats so far. not taking anything away from luffy though because i still believe that he has some untapped potential that oda is hiding from us, waiting for the perfect moment to blow our fucking minds. this is why a new power up seems necessary now more than ever, preferably something that can overcome them OP strings.
Why does it have to be convincingly? There is literally nothing that says DD isn't at least close to the admirals, even if he can't beat them. Shichibukai power levels are clearly huge, as Crocodile lost to a pre haki pre gears Luffy, and most people put Mihawk on Yonkou level, so I'd have to say that with minimal information, it's hard to assume he is or he isn't. I guess you could say that as the first major villain of the new world, "chronologically" he is the weakest...
them bitch ass strings is the only thing making flamingo seem clearly ahead of luffy IMO
Look, I'm not gonna lie, I'm just going to out and say it; I think Luffy is the single strongest character in all of One Piece.
Now that may seem crazy to you but here's my reasons:
1. One Piece is a shounen.
2. Luffy is the Main Character
STFU
In regards to a power list, I'm very interested where each of the Super Rookies is located. We've seen a lot of Luffy and a good amount of Law, but I keep wondering more and more about where X Drake, Kid, Hawkins, and the like match up against people like Marco, Kizaru, and Borsalino. X Drake is a particular interest to me. He curbstomped Caribou, and I really wonder what role he's going to play in the future. Will he be an ally or adversary to the Straw Hats? What exactly is his connection to Kaido? I can't wait for these questions to be resolved :)
I don't really understand why people put big mom among the same level as the admirals or not in the top tier. We really haven't seen much of her yet, but there's a reason she's a Yonko and owns a great deal of territory. I'm intrigued to learn just how dangerous she is.
cause shounen is for boys and girls can't be strong duh
also yes, Drake's plotline is very interesting to me, particularly to what Law hinted at pre timeskip about Drake slaughtering people...
