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Platinum/HG/SS Battle Frontier and DP Battle Tower Records

Discussion in 'Smogon's Greatest Hits' started by Peterko, Apr 4, 2009.

  1. Jumpman16

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    the only reason i pointed out your miscues is because it seemed like you posted a 6.35% chance of something happening and framed it as bad luck with the other, actual bad luck battles you posted (crobat and kingler) when the zong battle was only significant because of at least two mistakes you made (charming thrice, SDing thrice, not calcing struggle on chomp)


    1. you had a chance to "test" quake at +4 but you didn't, and that's the only reason 6.35% was relevant, that's all im saying

    2. the fear of a struggle ch is present all the time though, definitely when you were at +4 and subbed. worst case: you EQ, it's levitate, it CHes your sub and breaks it, you sub again, it CHes your sub again, it doesnt break your sub, it faints. then i could have partially agreed with you about being BPed twice, but there's no evidence to support gallade is BPing garchomp twice there on different turn numbers (meta's on your screen for one turn instead of two)

    3. it was only funny because you didn't exactly play it properly and it seemed like you were complaining about bad luck

    4.
    1) yes, i do. and i of all people also know that bronzong doesn't break your garchomp's sub with that struggle

    2) "what if?" you sub again, it CHes your sub again, it doesnt break your sub, it faints. if you still dont believe/understand me calc it yourself

    3) idk what you mean by "nope", a CH on the first struggle is just as likely as one on the last

    4) if you do know that i think you still dont realize that it makes all the difference in the world. if it ched you on its third struggle and broke your sub, you SD again at +4 after TR ends and then sub on its last struggle because it cant break your sub when it kills itself

    5) besides the fact that i dont only play when im driving, i actually do have a calculator with me in my bag and have calculated on the fly many, many times when it mattered. and lol, ive "playdriven" what has to be like 600 hours by now without incident...you're the one who is going to be a lawyer, lets see how many hours you're in court before you help sentence someone to death :)

    i have lost battles before because i was driving, but i blame myself before blaming luck or laughing at pokemon matchups (and ive never posted such battles anyway). the only theorymon i would have to have done is that chomp only needs +4 to kill literally every psychic type i could face after a lead bronzong.

    anyway it just seemed like you weren't highlighting your own mistakes because the other battles you posted were actually bad luck (ched by crobat and kingler repeatedly) where you were in trouble through no fault of your own

    thats actually a really good idea, i included one battle id really early in this thread i think where froslass lax incensed me twice and then i got snow cloaked at least four times. we could all collectively assess how haxy a battle was and for what reason and vote appropriately
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    I would say ~ 6% is quite bad luck still. It's not 16^-5 bad, but it's pretty unlucky. I realise for you it may be different because the tower hates you. And you hate the tower for being such an ass at 499, and stuff like the battle where you subed 4 times to avoid 4 OHKO moves that hit. (Yes i saw that on wifi, it made me laugh quite a lot)
  3. Chinese Dood

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    I think that'd be interesting too. Probably can be measured by some probability system, like lowest probability of the hax combo occurring get the top record or something.

    It's not like the 1-49 speed run time records were recorded for proof or anything (lol 90 minute videos???). This type of thing is more for amusement than competition I think (like you wouldn't actually be TRYING to get the most haxy battle, right?), so I didn't really think having recorded proof is all that necessary, though it'd be interesting to watch anyhow.

    I haven't been playing at all. :( Two more weeks of intense school projects and then I'll have time again!
  4. kingbattlus

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    school has been ravaging my schedule pretty hard too i haven't been able to do anything, which is sad. i'm glad that this thread has picked up a bit though as i check it usually once or twice a day and the last few days no one really said much.

    i was thinking about a OHKO team for fun... i wonder if it would work well. like lapras (resttalk-sheer cold/fissure/horn drill something like that), then maybe gliscor to take the electric attacks (guillotine/fissure right?) and who knows what's last. could be walrein, nidoking... nidoking could have other attacks too, walrein could be resstalk like lapras, gliscor could have taunt, it could have sub, roost, whatever... just seems like it could work. you'd prob run into times when you miss all five OHKOs and then you're just out of luck but i would laugh if someone broke 100 with one
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    thanks man :) i am still trying to think about the best build for my salamence when i get around to the BT again. i'm thinking of working out a good speed for it so it can deal with most of the OHKO'ers in the case of some kind of emergency. i'm thinking i might aim for about 140 speed, which outspeeds unscarfed kingler, and also scarfed 90 speed pokes. that leave him vulnerable to a couple of things:
    [SIZE=-2]
    937, Articuno 4, Modest, Charti Berry, 165, 94, 120, 161, 177, 105, Ice Beam, Air Cutter, AncientPower, Sheer Cold, Sp.Attk/Sp.Def
    798, Glalie 4, Modest, Lax Incense, 187, 90, 100, 145, 100, 100, Blizzard, Dark Pulse, Sheer Cold, Hail, HP/Sp.Attk
    602, Lapras 2, Impish, Quick Claw, 205, 105, 145, 94, 147, 80, Sheer Cold, Perish Song, Sing, Confuse Ray, Def/Sp.Def
    544, Nidoking 2, Careful, BrightPowder, 177, 112, 118, 94, 127, 105, Focus Punch, Dragon Pulse, Horn Drill, Substitute, HP/Def/Sp.Def
    689, Rapidash 3, Adamant, BrightPowder, 140, 167, 90, 90, 100, 157, Flare Blitz, Poison Jab, Iron Tail, Horn Drill, Attk/Speed
    830, Pinsir 4, Adamant, Scope Lens, 140, 194, 152, 67, 90, 105, X-Scissor, Earthquake, Close Combat, Guillotine, Attk/Def
    713, Gliscor 3, Jolly, Focus Sash, 182, 115, 145, 58, 95, 161, Guillotine, Earthquake, U-turn, Counter, HP/Speed
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    i guess registeel should be dealing with some of them, while luck would be required for the others.

    EDIT: yup - ive finally decided i will go with 252 Atk / 156 Spe / 92 HP / 4 Def / 4 Sp Def. gives 140 speed to deal with above mentioned threat. no specific need to aim for 151 i dont think, since latios will outspeed 100 speed'ers after tricking and be able to thunderwave them hopefully. we'll see how it goes anyway.

    i had a double BP earlier this week, but there have been far worse. i have a saved battle from emerald where a lapras beat my blissey 1-1 by freezing it and then me never defrosting.

    its bad luck if you just played one battle, but if you play 20 battles, you can expect that 1/20 thing to happen with a good probability at least once (~30% it will never happen). so if you play close to 2000 battles, you absolutely have to be prepared for it.

    yeah thats true, although we'd have to work out a sensible way to calculate the hax, and even what can be regarded as hax. eg if it all boils down to getting flinched 3 times in a row at the end, do you count the inconsequential burn from flamethrower near the start?

    actually i considered making a video just for kicks, although it would have to be done in stages given that my (not video) camera can only record up to about 45 mins before having to upload it, and my computer spazzes with files that big anyway. would be fun, although if you speed up battles without the animation its pretty boring to watch.

    i'd considered that once actually, but you'd having to actually get those moves to hit 3 times each battle over a long period of time, which could be extremely difficult given the hax.

    EDIT: if a pokemon has two OHKO moves, both PP maxed, there's a 1/300 chance of each of them missing. so i guess its highly unlikely you would lose by not managing to KO the opponents. you would just have to be able to last the distance in fights where you miss a lot. would certainly be a bit of fun. you could try it in the first couple of rounds against weak trainers just to see what its like....
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    I nearly lost to a Camerupt who got 4 ancient power boosts in a row. I don't know if that counts as extreme hax.
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    wow - you joined smogon to say that? lol :)

    but yeah, it's hax for sure - 1/10000.
  8. Chinese Dood

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    @kingbattlus: Also remember not to forget Sturdy pokemon! You'll probably need Lapras/Walrein/Dewgong to have Surf to take care of the Sturdy Rock or Ground types, and Nidoking will need Flamethrower/Ground move to take care of Sturdy Steel types. Well, probably other pokemon (or other moves) can cover them too, but yah, they just have to be covered. Also, an ice-type OHKOer is absolutely necessary due to the existence of levitating/flying ghosts being immune to Horn Drill / Guillotine / Fissure. Good luck with that!
  9. darkseeker4

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    Sorry for not being active but my ds has been taken away from me because of exams and such my catle streak ended at 97 cause of jolteon rape.with like 443 CP.Should have just skipped the last few battle but you know,shit happens...
    Hopefully will start an arcade streak after the 8th of dec.
  10. Peterko

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    live coverage from "am about to lose"

    felt like something was wrong today, maybe foreshadowing of something big, when I missed three outrages in a row against charizard which hit 2/3 focus blasts in the third battle today...chomp still won though

    three battles laten a triple CH in just two turns (him-me, him)

    then the all time favourite last turn struggle breaking sub...

    and now, cowgirl

    armaldo vs latias
    I trick (not sure here whether I trick or charm this one) thinking it´s the CBone (lol), anyway, trick-scissor, charm-scissor, fainted
    easy set up for registeel
    now I feel he got too many CHs, like 4 total, but the most important one was right after getting to +6/+6 with max HP, when I was about to sub and then kill him...so yeah CH scissor + sub got me to around 100 HP, next turn I faint him
    this is the problem, because normally I dislike steel being anywhere near 100HP and whenever there´s a chance to get some health back, I stall
    I didn´t, thinking, hopefully nothing will go wrong

    yeah, this is where it gets "awesome"
    cowgirl brings in torterra
    torterra quakes (can´t break my sub, unless it CHes), sub broke, A critical hit!, iron head, 95%
    OK no problem as long as he doesn´t get another CH, seriously
    torterra quakes, A critical hit!, registeel fainted

    here I am, semi-fucked...it´s not like double CH hasn´t happened before (I remember regirock with fire punch getting that but failing at OHKOing chomp with ice punch afterwards lol...loong time ago)

    ...so yeah

    making an analysis right now

    so far, I´ve calced overgrow boosted wood hammer, which does roughly 177 max damage to me...that´s a lot

    torty holds a QC, hammer recoil will kill it, so I´m thinking about SDing...

    I´m checking the pokés I may face as the third one right now (the list below is cowgirl´s roster)

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    759, Venusaur 4, Modest, Wise Glasses, 182, 87, 98, 161, 115, 95, Frenzy Plant, Sludge Bomb, Hyper Beam, Synthesis, HP/Sp.Attk
    760, Charizard 4, Timid, BrightPowder, 148, 89, 93, 156, 100, 161, Blast Burn, Air Slash, Focus Blast, AncientPower, Sp.Attk/Speed
    761, Blastoise 4, Modest, Shell Bell, 181, 88, 115, 145, 120, 93, Hydro Cannon, Ice Beam, Hyper Beam, Focus Blast, HP/Sp.Attk
    762, Meganium 4, Modest, Lax Incense, 182, 87, 115, 143, 115, 95, Frenzy Plant, AncientPower, Hyper Beam, Light Screen, HP/Sp.Attk
    763, Typhlosion 4, Modest, White Herb, 148, 89, 93, 171, 100, 147, Overheat, SolarBeam, Focus Blast, Sunny Day, Sp.Attk/Speed
    764, Feraligatr 4, Adamant, Lum Berry, 155, 167, 147, 84, 98, 93, Waterfall, Earthquake, Ice Fang, Dragon Dance, Attk/Def
    765, Sceptile 4, Timid, Occa Berry, 140, 90, 80, 152, 100, 183, Leaf Storm, Dragon Pulse, Focus Blast, Hyper Beam, Sp.Attk/Speed
    766, Blaziken 4, Adamant, White Herb, 150, 183, 85, 112, 85, 127, Flare Blitz, Superpower, ThunderPunch, Night Slash, Attk/Speed
    767, Swampert 4, Adamant, Rindo Berry, 202, 172, 105, 89, 105, 75, Earthquake, Aqua Tail, Avalanche, Mirror Coat, HP/Attk

    768, Torterra 4, Adamant, Quick Claw, 197, 171, 120, 81, 100, 71, Wood Hammer, Earthquake, Stone Edge, Crunch, HP/Attk
    769, Infernape 4, Jolly, King's Rock, 146, 151, 86, 107, 86, 170, Flare Blitz, Close Combat, Earthquake, ThunderPunch, Attk/Speed
    770, Empoleon 4, Brave, Quick Claw, 154, 146, 103, 158, 116, 67, Hydro Cannon, Flash Cannon, Drill Peck, Earthquake, Attk/Sp.Attk
    771, Dugtrio 4, Adamant, Muscle Band, 105, 139, 65, 58, 85, 167, Earthquake, Stone Edge, Slash, Shadow Claw, Attk/Speed
    772, Marowak 4, Adamant, Thick Club, 130, 139, 157, 58, 95, 60, Earthquake, Stone Edge, Iron Head, ThunderPunch, Attk/Def
    773, Medicham 4, Adamant, Scope Lens, 130, 234, 90, 67, 90, 127, Psycho Cut, Fire Punch, ThunderPunch, Ice Punch, Attk/Speed
    774, Quagsire 4, Adamant, Muscle Band, 197, 145, 100, 72, 80, 50, Earthquake, Waterfall, Stone Edge, Ice Punch, HP/Attk

    775, Granbull 4, Adamant, Life Orb, 192, 183, 90, 67, 75, 60, Giga Impact, Close Combat, Earthquake, Stone Edge, HP/Attk
    776, Jynx 4, Modest, Choice Specs, 135, 58, 50, 177, 110, 142, Ice Beam, Psychic, Focus Blast, Shadow Ball, Sp.Attk/Speed
    777, Mr. Mime 4, Modest, Choice Specs, 110, 54, 80, 161, 167, 105, Psychic, Charge Beam, Shadow Ball, Focus Blast, Sp.Attk/Sp.Def
    778, Lanturn 4, Modest, Expert Belt, 227, 65, 73, 135, 91, 82, Surf, Thunderbolt, Ice Beam, Signal Beam, HP/Sp.Attk
    779, Breloom 4, Adamant, Shell Bell, 130, 194, 127, 67, 75, 85, Focus Punch, Seed Bomb, Giga Impact, Spore, Attk/Def
    780, Forretress 4, Adamant, Lax Incense, 145, 150, 187, 67, 75, 55, Explosion, Double-Edge, Earthquake, Rock Slide, Attk/Def

    781, Skarmory 4, Adamant, Life Orb, 135, 139, 187, 49, 85, 85, Brave Bird, Steel Wing, X-Scissor, Rock Slide, Attk/Def
    782, Absol 4, Adamant, Choice Band, 135, 194, 75, 81, 75, 122, Night Slash, Superpower, Giga Impact, Zen Headbutt, Attk/Speed
    783, Whiscash 4, Adamant, Muscle Band, 212, 137, 88, 81, 86, 75, Earthquake, Aqua Tail, Zen Headbutt, Stone Edge, HP/Attk
    784, Hariyama 4, Adamant, Scope Lens, 246, 183, 75, 49, 75, 65, Cross Chop, Earthquake, Stone Edge, Poison Jab, HP/Attk
    785, Vespiquen 4, Adamant, Shell Bell, 172, 139, 117, 85, 117, 55, Attack Order, Defend Order, Heal Order, Confuse Ray, HP/Attk
    786, Raichu 4, Adamant, BrightPowder, 130, 150, 70, 94, 95, 147, Volt Tackle, Return, Brick Break, Thunder Wave, Attk/Speed
    787, Dewgong 4, Calm, Chesto Berry, 160, 76, 95, 117, 156, 85, Surf, Ice Beam, Signal Beam, Rest, Sp.Attk/Sp.Def
    788, Manectric 4, Timid, BrightPowder, 140, 81, 75, 152, 75, 167, Thunderbolt, Flamethrower, Signal Beam, Swift, Sp.Attk/Speed
    789, Staraptor 4, Adamant, Choice Band, 155, 183, 85, 59, 65, 147, Brave Bird, Giga Impact, Close Combat, U-turn, Attk/Speed
    790, Gastrodon 4, Modest, Wise Glasses, 213, 88, 83, 152, 97, 54, Surf, Earth Power, Ice Beam, Sludge Bomb, HP/Sp.Attk
    791, Skuntank 4, Jolly, Muscle Band, 173, 140, 82, 76, 76, 144, Poison Jab, Night Slash, Crunch, Explosion, Attk/Speed
    792, Vileplume 4, Modest, Wise Glasses, 177, 85, 100, 161, 105, 65, Sludge Bomb, Energy Ball, Hyper Beam, Synthesis, HP/Sp.Attk
    793, Victreebel 4, Modest, Focus Band, 182, 108, 80, 161, 75, 85, SolarBeam, Sludge Bomb, Wring Out, Sunny Day, HP/Sp.Attk
    794, Electrode 4, Quirky, Focus Sash, 130, 65, 85, 127, 95, 187, Thunderbolt, Signal Beam, Explosion, Mirror Coat, Sp.Attk/Speed
    795, Ludicolo 4, Modest, Lum Berry, 150, 76, 85, 150, 147, 85, Surf, Giga Drain, Ice Beam, Rain Dance, Sp.Attk/Sp.Def
    796, Shiftry 4, Adamant, Cheri Berry, 192, 161, 75, 94, 75, 95, Seed Bomb, Sucker Punch, Aerial Ace, Explosion, HP/Attk
    797, Exploud 4, Modest, White Herb, 206, 94, 78, 151, 78, 83, Hyper Voice, Overheat, Surf, Ice Beam, HP/Sp.Attk
    798, Glalie 4, Modest, Lax Incense, 182, 85, 95, 139, 95, 95, Blizzard, Dark Pulse, Sheer Cold, Hail, HP/Sp.Attk
    799, Lopunny 4, Jolly, Muscle Band, 135, 123, 99, 62, 111, 167, Dizzy Punch, Fire Punch, ThunderPunch, Ice Punch, Attk/Speed
    800, Froslass 4, Modest, Lax Incense, 140, 85, 85, 139, 85, 157, Blizzard, Shadow Ball, Psychic, Hail, Sp.Attk/Speed

    801, Ambipom 4, Adamant, Life Orb, 145, 161, 81, 67, 81, 162, Double Hit, Fire Punch, ThunderPunch, Ice Punch, Attk/Speed
    802, Hypno 4, Modest, Choice Specs, 155, 79, 85, 132, 162, 82, Psychic, Shadow Ball, Signal Beam, Focus Blast, Sp.Attk/Sp.Def
    803, Golem 4, Brave, Quick Claw, 150, 172, 177, 70, 80, 54, Earthquake, Stone Edge, Gyro Ball, Explosion, Attk/Def
    804, Rhydon 4, Adamant, Quick Claw, 207, 194, 135, 54, 60, 55, Earthquake, Stone Edge, Megahorn, Horn Drill, HP/Attk
    805, Slowbro 4, Quiet, Leftovers, 197, 90, 125, 161, 95, 40, Psychic, Surf, Ice Beam, Trick Room, HP/Sp.Attk
    806, Weezing 4, Modest, Quick Claw, 135, 94, 167, 145, 85, 75, Sludge Bomb, Flamethrower, Shadow Ball, Destiny Bond, Def/Sp.Attk
    807, Kangaskhan 4, Adamant, Muscle Band, 207, 156, 95, 49, 95, 105, Giga Impact, Earthquake, Crunch, Outrage, HP/Attk
    808, Tauros 4, Adamant, Choice Band, 145, 161, 110, 49, 85, 157, Return, Earthquake, Stone Edge, Zen Headbutt, Attk/Speed
    809, Alakazam 4, Modest, Expert Belt, 125, 58, 60, 200, 100, 167, Psychic, Shadow Ball, Energy Ball, Focus Blast, Sp.Attk/Speed
    810, Slowking 4, Modest, Wise Glasses, 197, 81, 95, 161, 125, 45, Psychic, Surf, Ice Beam, Flamethrower, HP/Sp.Attk
    811, Miltank 4, Adamant, Muscle Band, 165, 139, 120, 49, 85, 147, Giga Impact, Earthquake, Rock Slide, Zen Headbutt, Attk/Speed
    812, Altaria 4, Modest, White Herb, 145, 76, 105, 128, 120, 127, Draco Meteor, Air Cutter, Flamethrower, Ice Beam, Sp.Attk/Speed
    813, Toxicroak 4, Adamant, Razor Claw, 153, 168, 80, 90, 80, 132, Gunk Shot, Cross Chop, Earthquake, Stone Edge, Attk/Speed
    814, Abomasnow 4, Brave, Shell Bell, 192, 152, 90, 108, 100, 67, Wood Hammer, Avalanche, Earthquake, Rock Slide, HP/Attk
    815, Nidoqueen 4, Adamant, Razor Claw, 192, 141, 102, 81, 100, 91, Earthquake, Poison Jab, Superpower, Crunch, HP/Attk
    816, Nidoking 4, Adamant, Muscle Band, 151, 152, 92, 90, 90, 132, Earthquake, Poison Jab, Megahorn, Outrage, Attk/Speed
    817, Cradily 4, Calm, Leftovers, 177, 85, 133, 96, 157, 58, Stone Edge, Seed Bomb, Earthquake, Mirror Coat, HP/Def/Sp.Def

    818, Armaldo 4, Adamant, Life Orb, 145, 189, 147, 76, 95, 60, Stone Edge, X-Scissor, Earthquake, Cross Poison, Attk/Def
    819, Bastiodon 4, Adamant, Focus Sash, 162, 108, 183, 55, 153, 45, Metal Burst, Stone Edge, Avalanche, Curse, HP/Attk
    820, Floatzel 4, Adamant, Razor Fang, 155, 167, 70, 90, 65, 162, Aqua Tail, Ice Fang, Crunch, Brick Break, Attk/Speed
    821, Mismagius 4, Timid, Focus Sash, 130, 67, 75, 152, 120, 167, Shadow Ball, Psychic, Thunderbolt, Destiny Bond, Sp.Attk/Speed
    822, Drifblim 4, Docile, Lax Incense, 252, 127, 59, 105, 69, 95, Shadow Ball, Air Cutter, Silver Wind, Explosion, HP/Attk
    823, Golduck 4, Modest, Wacan Berry, 182, 87, 93, 156, 95, 100, Hydro Pump, Psychic, Ice Beam, Signal Beam, HP/Sp.Attk
    824, Poliwrath 4, Adamant, Expert Belt, 192, 145, 110, 76, 105, 85, Waterfall, Focus Punch, Earthquake, Hypnosis, HP/Attk
    825, Rapidash 4, Jolly, Chesto Berry, 135, 147, 85, 85, 95, 167, Flare Blitz, Megahorn, Double-Edge, Hypnosis, Attk/Speed

    826, Muk 4, Adamant, Quick Claw, 207, 167, 90, 72, 115, 65, Gunk Shot, Shadow Sneak, Brick Break, Explosion, HP/Attk[/size]

    the ones in bold may come third...
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    i think you're forgetting or arent aware of a crucial bt trait that rules out something you said but you can probably figure it out unless you really need my help
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    would the ai for sure use wood hammer though? i think it tries to save its own skin whenever possible. like for example, if you're at very low health, using a weaker move with 100% accuracy instead of using a super effective move with 90 accuracy just to guarantee the kill.

    dunno if that would extend to avoiding recoil damage, though.
  13. Peterko

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    if that wasn´t enough, my internet connection died for like 45 mins

    anyway, right now I´m in a half-state of shock, so I have no clue what "trait" you´re talking about jumpman

    Glen, I´m not sure about wood hammer, but that´s the worst case scenario...I´ve seen plenty of exeggutors w-hammer me after they hung on their sashes

    there are basically very few options

    1. he QC CHs with wood hammer to make it one of the gayest losses in history

    2. he QC wood hammers to leave me with low HP and dies and I
    A) quake to waste a turn
    B) SD to have a shot against stuff with ice moves that I´m not able to beat

    3.
    A) I quake and kill it before it does whatever
    B) I SD and it dies to recoil
    C) I SD and it quakes or whatever THEN QC kills me with WH

    OK if I do 3., then there´s these:
    - blastoise, quagsire, dewgong, gastrodon, exploud, glalie, slowbro, slowking, abomasnow, bastiodon, golduck

    11/58 = 18,96 %

    that I lose to...that´s plenty

    if I SD, there are three pokés I lose to for sure (unless very low damage) that are faster:
    - electrode, sceptile, infernape (baah 1 stat point)

    then there´s sash bastio and mismagius hmm...

    according to this, SD is the % better choice (?)


    at this point I just need to know what pokémon will come after freaking torterra LOL...any other helpful input?
    what BT trait? I said
    - overgrow, there´s no other ability choice
    - QC is the item it´s holding,
    - wood hammer is the attack I think it will use
    - that list has 21 IV stats
    - LO+QC means I eliminated the pokémon holding them from being third (or do you mean by switching items LO is still viable?)
    ...
    or do you mean fire type with SE move would´ve come be4 a torterra or something like that?

    fuck powder/lax incense...OK if I SD I may lose to (due to those items or focus band lol):
    - zard, meggy, forry, raichu, manectric, vicy, glalie, froslass, drifblim (bah aftermath as well)

    14/58...5 are almost 100% and the rest if I continue to have bad luck
  14. Jumpman16

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    mathematically the decision is pretty clear, you dont want me actually telling you what you should do though do you
  15. Peterko

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    not really clear to me lol

    you don´t have to tell me what I should do, just what you would do haha ... no I mean what trait? have I forgotten/didn´t account for something?

    EDIT: any last words from some BF fanatics before I make my move?
  16. Jumpman16

    Jumpman16 np: Michael Jackson - "Mon in the Mirror" (DW mix)
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    you kind of mentioned it in your next post so not really

    and i would turn off my game if i were you but i doubt you actually want to do that
  17. Dan Dan

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    Go for the Swords Dance....and hope for

    [SIZE=-2]802, Hypno 4, Modest, Choice Specs, 155, 79, 85, 132, 162, 82, Psychic, Shadow Ball, Signal Beam, Focus Blast, Sp.Attk/Sp.Def

    [/SIZE]to come out last.

    Sounds like your were on a TILT (thanks The Smog) though, and should have just stopped playing before this round.
  18. Peterko

    Peterko Never give up!
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    turning off the game would mean my streak would be zero, wouldn´t it? lol

    OK here I go

    switch in chomp

    click swords dance

    quick claw activated, wood hammer, 28/182, recoil, fainted, swords dance

    VESPI FREAKING QUEN!

    outrage, 1hko, I win!

    Ginger go to hell!!!!!!!

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  19. Dan Dan

    Dan Dan

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    HELL YEAH

    now stop.
  20. Peterko

    Peterko Never give up!
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    I can´t...

    lol I forgot to save the battle, way to go

    it was #2 in the round, now I don´t even know where I am...
  21. kingbattlus

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    well that was dramatic as hell... lol whats the number at now peterko?
  22. Jumpman16

    Jumpman16 np: Michael Jackson - "Mon in the Mirror" (DW mix)
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    tilt means a loss of mental function due to unfortunate circumstances contributing to poor gameplay (almost exclusively used in poker), it's not really applicable in this case unless of course you were honestly thinking of doing anything but SDing there

    i faced that torterra with my CLS team months ago and had it use woodhammer from my scizor to my cresselia (i'd thunderwaved lead ape after it used fake out and then uturned or something), but then when i switched back to cresselia, it used...stone edge. then when i tried to trick it, it QCed me (not a surprise) and used...stone edge again (a big surprise). why didn't it earthquake from scizor to cresselia, and then why did it use literally its worst move against cresselia besides the EQ i was immune to? it has both wood hammer and crunch, which are 180 and 160 BP against cresselia to stone edge's 100. it didn't really matter in the end but i was really confused. what im saying is it using earthquake on garchomp and THEN QCing it wasn't out of the question but i guess your AI acts the way it's supposed to, lol

    anyway i'm surprised this is the first time your registeel has really been threatened by consecutive CHes considering it has to take at least two attacks from pokes two and three literally every time you set it up, i mean that's its achilles heel and all. torterra didn't even need to CH you at all to break your sub (regardless of whether you sub after the second EQ). i mean ive been brightpowdered consecutively enough to make me want to throw up but at least the pokemon i use don't let pokes two and three hit them first. by nature, curse registeel has to deal with both BP and CHes from pokes two and three...have you honestly never been CHed twice in a row by a pokemon that left registeel naked against the last poke?
  23. Peterko

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    lol too many times, the target on steels back to aim CHs at is way too big haha...I haven´t posted each and every battle with freaking hax, too many of them...basically, "foe´s last hit (before being iheaded to death" breaking the sub with a CH" is standard in my book

    and nope, that torty does 36 damage max to +6 steel and x-scissor did like 5 damage

    stone edge is often preferred by the AI due to high CH chance, happens a lot that it chooses those moves even in cases where it doesn´t make sense, at all...on the other hand, stone edge was "potentially 200" in your case

    lol stop talking about "powdering", you´re sort of cursing me...I just missed a mamo :/

    ayayaya..next trainer bird keeper with salamence, cool...locked into scary face after reswitch, followed by skarmory (of course) that got a CH brave bird against chomp´s sub

    PI now with rhydon using MH
  24. Ferrouswheel

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    Well, I just had hacks turn out in my favor for once, the starter was
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    651, Dewgong 3, Calm, Salac Berry, 186, 81, 121, 90, 149, 90, Sheer Cold, Horn Drill, Rest, Sleep Talk, HP/Def/Sp.Def
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    And I was too lazy to look it up, I tricked my uxie's scarf onto the Dewgong, and was somewhat annoyed when it used sheer cold. Well, I decided to just wait it out rather then switch to Registeel or Salamance.

    So it misses 5 times in a row, and then I decide that "hey, I doubt that there is a Dewgong with two 1 hit KO moves, so I trick the scarf back, and and it uses horn drill.

    Well, it then misses 5 times in a row, again. And this time, I look it up to see if it has fissure or something, but fortunately, it did not, so I had my turns of set up against rest.

    I saved the match, and will probably post it sometime.
  25. Xel

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    Close one Peterko, GG.

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