RarelyUsed CCAT - SS Omastar - Revision

voters here;

Shell Smash Omastar - 18
Offensive Quiver Dance Lilligant - 8
Dual Screens Uxie - 1
SubCM Mesprit - 6
SubSalac Scolipede - 3
Choice Band Golurk - 1
Acrobatics Archeops - 2
Swords Dance Samurott - 9
Bulky Swords Dance Scyther - 7
Choice Band Mesprit - 1
Choice Band Rhydon - 8
Choice Scarf Sawsbuck - 1
Bulky Dragon Dance Dragonair - 3
Offensive CM Sigyliph - 2
Defensive Tangrowth - 0
Choice Specs Tangrowth - 2
Hidden Power Fire Jynx - 2
Dragon Dance Fraxure - 16
Substitute + 3 Atk Gallade - 3
Physically Based Mixed Attacker Aerodactyl - 9

Winner is Shell Smash Omastar, the set here:


Omastar @ Lum Berry
Trait: Weak Armor
EVs: 4 Def / 252 SAtk / 252 Spd
Timid Nature (+Spd, -Atk)
- Shell Smash
- Surf
- Ice Beam
- Hidden Power [Grass]
So a new round begin now.

Round 2 Submissions begin!

Rules / Reminders:
  • Submissions end 3 days from now at GMT +2.
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  • When you submit your set, think about how it contributes to the function of the team. Also think about what direction you beleive the team should go, and reflect that in the submitted set.
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OK cool :)

Here's my proposed teammate for Omastar: Escavalier. It's quite simple really: both of them share absolutely beautiful synergy with eachother: Escavalier has a quadruple resistance to the Grass-type Attacks that plague Omastar, and also easily beats the specially defensive bulky Pokemon that cause it issues: Slowking, Clefable and Lanturn. Meanwhile, Omastar can easily benefit from Escavalier's quadruple Fire weakness, and use this to set up on Flare Blitzes aimed at it. Furthermore, they are both snails, which is awesome (hush molk).

Molk EDIT: lol omastar isn't a snail ;-;


Escavalier @ Choice Band
Trait: Swarm
EVs: 168 HP / 252 Atk / 88 Spd
Adamant Nature
- Megahorn
- Iron Head
- Pursuit
- Sleep Talk

I like to run enough Speed EVs to creep Slowking, so I can guarantee its removal with Pursuit (Fire Blast Slowking is really pesky... ALTHOUGH if offensive trick room slowking proves to be an issue instead of the standard defensive version we can always minimize speed EVs/IVs to underspeed it. But yeah basically I think that Escavalier is an awesome partner for Omastar because of the reasons i listed. #snailpower
 
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Misdreavus @ Eviolite
Trait: Levitate
EVs: 252 SDef / 252 HP / 4 SAtk
Calm Nature
- Will-O-Wisp
- Shadow Ball
- Pain Split
- Taunt

Misdreavus is an absolutely fantastic partner with Omastar. They share great defensive synergy; Omastar being weak to Fighting- and Ground-Type attacks and Misdreavus being immune to both of them. It also provides Will-O-Wisp for pokemon who may try and stop Omastar's sweep later in the battle as well as general utility as a whole. I am a big fan of using Taunt on Misdreavus as it stops opposing set-up sweepers at 2 boosts at the most, often 1 if they try and set up on Misdreavus knowing that it is a wall and not an offensive pokemon. Shadow Pokemon is there so that it is not Taunt Bait itself.
 
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Liepard @ Dread Plate
Trait: Prankster
EVs: 4 SDef / 252 Atk / 252 Spd
Jolly Nature
- U-turn
- Encore
- Sucker Punch
- Pursuit

Most NU players recently found out how amazing utility Liepard is and it works great in RU as well. It has blazing speed allowing for really fast priority. Prankster Encore is amazing as most people know and Encore forces things out so U-turn and Pursuit are great alongside Encore. With Liepards U-turn we can get Omastar in quite easily to sweep and its pretty decent at removing Slowking too if it's weakened a bit. Sucker Punch is just for finishing things off.

252 Atk Dread Plate Liepard Pursuit vs. 248 HP / 144 Def Slowking: 246-290 (62.59 - 73.79%) -- guaranteed 2HKO (80 BP)

It can easily switch in on walls and set up sweepers giving them a hard time to do their job. Overall Liepard is a very solid choice for the team imo due to how many things it stops.

@Hot N Cold
If you don't call this thing utiliepard in the vote post then I will smash your face with a stump.
 
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Crustle @ Custap Berry
Trait: Sturdy
EVs: 252 Atk / 204 HP / 52 Spe
Adamant Nature
- Stealth Rock
- Spikes
- X-Scissor
- Knock Off

Omastar is a vicious sweeper indeed, but is often hindered by Focus Sashes and bulky opponents like Slowking, Mandibuzz and Uxie. Thus, I think a dedicated hazard setter will be a huge boon to this team, capable of limiting the effectiveness of certain walls and tanks on opposing teams.
Not really creative, but incredibly effective. Crustle is possibly one of the best hazard leads, and is almost certain of getting at least SR and a layer of Spikes up before being taken out. Furthermore, unlike Smeargle, another top-tier hazard lead, Crustle doesn't compound any of Omastar's weaknesses and is capable of handling a lot of the threats Omastar has trouble dealing with, such as Slowking;
252+ Atk Crustle X-Scissor vs. 248 HP / 144 Def Slowking: 236-278 (60.05 - 70.73%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
Knock Off is an interesting move choice though. Although it forces Crustle to forgo one of its STAB moves, its utility is significant. It removes the Eviolite from particularly annoying foes such as Ferroseed and Munchlax; it removes the Life Orb or Leftovers from Rapid Spinners which try to come in; and finally, it takes the Leftovers of common opposing hazard leads, like Uxie, out of the equation and limits the number of times they can switch in. This is quite important, since:
+2 252 SpA Omastar Surf vs. 252 HP / 0 SpD Uxie: 228-268 (64.4 - 75.7%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
 

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Rotom-Mow @ Expert Belt
Trait: Levitate
EVs: 252 SAtk / 4 SDef / 252 Spd
Modest Nature
- Volt Switch
- Thunderbolt
- Hidden Power e:[Fire] (cheers Kush)
- Leaf Storm

Rotom Mow's synergy with SS Omastar is fantastic. Defensively they cover each other's weaknesses well with Omastar resisting the ice, fire and poison attacks while Rotom can tank any electric, grass and ground hit. But the support Rotom-C offers offensively is the main advantage for it, especially this set. The aim of this set is to lure in any ground or weakened grass pokes such as Steelix, Golurk and Tangrowth with the thunderbolt, making it seem like it's choiced, then knocked them out with the right coverage move. Along with this, the volt switch offers a great set of set-up opportunities. Fire pokes wanting to tank a leaf storm or hp ice will be surprised and helpless when Omastar comes in to start his sweep. E: Other notable pokes this can lure are: Lanturn, Slowking, Ferroseed, Amoonguss, Roselia, Qwilfish.

Some calcs that might be worth looking at (Credit to Legitimacy on the NBT thread).
252+ SpA Expert Belt Rotom-C Leaf Storm vs. 248 HP / 116+ SpD Slowking: 391-463 (99.49 - 117.81%) -- 93.75% chance to OHKO

252+ SpA Expert Belt Rotom-C Leaf Storm vs. 40 HP / 216+ SpD Lanturn: 461-542 (114.96 - 135.16%) -- guaranteed OHKO

252+ SpA Expert Belt Rotom-C Hidden Power Fire vs. 252 HP / 4 SpD Eviolite Ferroseed: 264-312 (90.41 - 106.84%) -- 43.75% chance to OHKO

252+ SpA Expert Belt Rotom-C Hidden Power Fire vs. 252 HP / 0 SpD Tangrowth: 300-355 (74.25 - 87.87%) -- 6.25% chance to OHKO after Stealth Rock
 
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I believe that Druddigon is a good partner:



Toy Wyvern (Druddigon) @ Leftovers
Trait: Rough Skin
EVs: 196 HP / 252 Atk / 60 Spd
Adamant Nature
- Stealth Rock
- Dragon Claw
- Earthquake
- Glare

Druddigon can take the Grass/Electric moves for Omastar, it also has an easier time against Watertypes. Stealth Rock helps Omastar sweep, and Druddigon is one of the best SR users in the tier. Glare slows down certain scarfers that might be able to outspeed +2 Omastar, but if thats not appealing on an offensive set, you can use Sucker Punch to throw some priority in there. The EV spread might look weird but its to outspeed the Druddigons from Molk and wePWNpokemon their latest RMT's :p hehehe. the rest is dumped in HP and it has max attack for a more offensive presence. The next partner should be the Escavalier that Cherub Agent mentioned, because Slowking and is a pain to Omastar. And a spiker would be really nice(thoughts go out to Roselia/Crustle).
 
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Rotom-Mow @ Expert Belt
Trait: Levitate
EVs: 252 SAtk / 4 SDef / 252 Spd
Timid Nature
- Volt Switch
- Thunderbolt
- Hidden Power [Ice]
- Leaf Storm

Rotom Mow's synergy with SS Omastar is fantastic. Defensively they cover each other's weaknesses well with Omastar resisting the ice, fire and poison attacks while Rotom can tank any electric, grass and ground hit. But the support Rotom-C offers offensively is the main advantage for it, especially this set. The aim of this set is to lure in any ground or weakened grass pokes such as Steelix, Golurk and Tangrowth with the thunderbolt, making it seem like it's choiced, then knocked them out with the right coverage move. Along with this, the volt switch offers a great set of set-up opportunities. Fire pokes wanting to tank a leaf storm or hp ice will be surprised and helpless when Omastar comes in to start his sweep.

Maybe Hidden Power Fire>Ice, because getting rid of Ferroseed is a bigger priority than getting rid of Druddigon.
 

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Maybe Hidden Power Fire>Ice, because getting rid of Ferroseed is a bigger priority than getting rid of Druddigon.
Since when? Druddigon is pretty much the best pokemon in RU, Ferroseed is a fairly lackluster wall who only provides spikes-support and Thunder-Wave.
 

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Since when? Druddigon is pretty much the best pokemon in RU, Ferroseed is a fairly lackluster wall who only provides spikes-support and Thunder-Wave.
Well I guess they both have their utility, but Ferroseed is a full stop to Omastar and the main goal is to sweep with Omastar right?
 

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We're not just making a core. It is extremely likely that we will have some form of Fire-Type attack with the rest of the team but not as likely that we will get an Ice attack, so HP Ice is much better IMO.
 

Scolipede (M) @ Focus Sash
Trait: Swarm
EVs: 4 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Spd
Jolly Nature (+Spd, -SAtk)
- Toxic Spikes
- Spikes
- Megahorn
- Earthquake


Scolipede has pretty nice synergy with Omastar as it can take care of almost every grass type that Omastar fears and Omastar can eat up any fire type attack directed towards Scolipede. It does exceptionally well against Slowking and Lanturn which can eat up a Hidden Power Grass from Omastar and cripple in return. The main point of this set is to get Toxic Spikes and Spikes up early game and wear the opposing team down to the point where Omastar will be able to sweep with ease. This works incredibly well against Hyper Offense teams as most now and days do lack a spinner and poison type.
With hazards Omastar would have a much easier time ripping apart teams.
 
hp ice is not better on that rotom-c set, hidden power fire is. rotom-c is a pretty great lure for ferroseed considering that the former resists the latters stabs, and omastar is unable to hit ferroseed for super effective damage, and is doomed if the ferroseed has bullet seed or seed bomb. hidden power ice does hit druddigon, yes, but that's really pretty much it, and omastar has the more powerful ice beam to deal with druddigon anyway, as well as the physical defense.
 

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Before I submit my entry, there are two things in particular that I really like right now:

@Cherub Agent 's Escavalier is really cool as it easily eliminates or deals heavy damage to opposing Slowking (if it's ballsy enough to stay in on Pursuit) while also absorbing paralysis without much worry.
@The Leprechaun 's Rotom-C is a great lure, but I also like HP Fire as Omastar deals with Druddigon well enough on its own and Ferroseed can easily switch out of something that it fears a Fire-type move from (or cripple an incoming Fire-type if the opposing player is good)
Anyways, on to my submission. Do note that I'm operating under the idea of Omastar being our primary win condition:


Mesprit @ Choice Specs
Trait: Levitate
EVs: 36 HP / 252 SAtk / 220 Spd
Timid Nature (+Spd, -Atk)
- Psyshock
- Ice Beam
- Thunderbolt
- U-turn

Shouldn't be a surprise to you guys that I'm suggesting Mesprit here. Choice Specs Mesprit does a fantastic job of removing special and physical walls alike and dealing with the one priority move Omastar can't; Mach Punch. In particular, Specs Mesprit can prevent Fighting Gem Hitmonlee from revenging Omastar and going on a counter sweep with Unburden-boosted Speed. Mesprit is also a great switch-in to more defensive Gallade variants that can survive a non-LO Hydro Pump and hit back with Drain Punch if it's healthy enough. So, Psyshock is the STAB move. It removes Cryogonal with little effort and does a load on Lanturn. Ice Beam maybe isn't totally necessary with Omastar around, but it's still a really solid move to catch something like Tangrowth or Golurk. Thunderbolt is golden on Mesprit as it allows the pixie to handle one of the best SS Omastar checks in the tier; Slowking. Finally, U-turn lets Mesprit pivot into and out of attacks pretty well and can give Omastar some free set-up opportunities. The most notable is Spiritomb as it loves to come in on Mesprit to checkmate it with Pursuit. The EV spread outspeeds Absol, Smeargle, Samurott, and neutral base 80s. The HP EVs ensure Mesprit can't be 2HKOed by Scarf Medicham's HJK after 2 rounds of SR damage.

To end this, @Kushalos , remember that slashes aren't allowed anymore as HnC mentioned in his post that started Round 2.
 

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Roselia (F) @ Eviolite
Trait: Natural Cure
EVs: 252 HP / 4 Def / 252 SDef
Calm Nature
- Spikes
- Giga Drain
- Sludge Bomb
- Rest

I think good old Roselia would probably make a good teammate for Omastar in this situation. Omastar struggles with various Electric- and Grass-type Pokemon such as Rotom-C, Lilligant, and Sceptile at least before a Shell Smash, and Roselia gives this team a way to reliably switch in on and beat these Pokemon with Sludge Bomb. Aside from these Pokemon, Roselia can use certain other threats to Omastar as spikes fodder too, such as Lanturn and Amoonguss to an extent (Slowking is still a pain though ;_;), easily taking moves from them, posing an immediate threat, and setting up spikes in return. Roselia also provides Spikes support for omastar which could help wear down at least some of the Pokemon that Omastar struggles with, such as Lanturn or opposing Roselia, putting them into KO range of Omastar at +2. Like a few of the other Pokemon that have been mentioned, Roselia's weakness to Fire-type moves is quite useful for Omastar, as Choiced Entei and Emboar locked into Flare Blitz are a great way to get Omastar set up and sweeping, and the physically frail, fire weak roselia often lures these kinds of moves into the match, which can often end with the opponent inadvertently causing their own loss by attempting to take out Roselia. Lastly, Roselia absorbs Toxic Spikes for the team, which prevents them from wearing down Omastar over the course of the match.
 


Torterra (M) @ Choice Band
Trait: Overgrow
EVs: 252 Atk / 164 HP / 92 Spd
Adamant Nature
- Wood Hammer
- Earthquake
- Stone Edge
- Bullet Seed

I think Choice Band Torterra is a good partner, considering there are a lot of things Torterra can do to help Omastar. One of the biggest things Omastar is capable of setting up on is a Choiced Flare Blitz, and while Torterra isn't the best lure for Fire moves considering it has a STAB Earthquake, and incoming Flare Blitz from the likes of Entei still means that Omastar pretty much gets a free set-up opportunity. However, Torterra also fixes several issues that Omastar can have that may hinder its sweep. Many of its revenge killers are Electric-type Pokemon, such as Scarf Rotom and Manectric, but Torterra is completely immune to their STABs, meaning that they are incapable of trying to gain momentum, which gives Torterra a free turn to do whatever it wants to. Torterra also OHKOs the likes of Lanturn, Clefable, Jynx (although it can't switch in), Roselia, and Slowking, while 2HKOing Amoonguss (Omastar can do enough to finish it off in this case) and Uxie with the appropriate move, which therefore potentially wears down the opponent's Omastar check(s) enough so then Omastar can potentially blast through them mid/late-game without that many issues. Torterra also gets a free switch into Thunder Waves from some of the above Pokemon that may try to stop it in this way. The speed EVs are to outspeeds and destroy Lanturn.

Calcs vs Omastar checks:
252 Atk Choice Band Torterra (+Atk) Wood Hammer vs 248 HP/144 Def Slowking: 147.07% - 174.05% (Guaranteed OHKO)
252 Atk Choice Band Torterra (+Atk) Wood Hammer vs 0 HP/0 Def Jynx: 233.95% - 275.65% (Guaranteed lol)
252 Atk Choice Band Torterra (+Atk) Wood Hammer vs 252 HP/152 Def Uxie (+Def) : 51.98% - 61.3% (2 hits to KO)
252 Atk Choice Band Torterra (+Atk) Wood Hammer vs 252 HP/0 Def Clefable: 93.91% - 110.66% (62.5% chance to OHKO)
252 Atk Choice Band Torterra (+Atk) Wood Hammer vs 64 HP/192 Def Lanturn: 165.6% - 195.09% (Guaranteed OHKO)
252 Atk Choice Band Torterra (+Atk) Earthquake vs 252 HP/0 Def Eviolite Roselia: 97.7% - 115.46% (87.5% chance to OHKO)
252 Atk Choice Band Torterra (+Atk) Earthquake vs 252 HP/0 Def Amoonguss: 73.84% - 87.04% (2 hits to KO)
252 Atk Choice Band Torterra (+Atk) Earthquake vs 252 HP/252 Def Eviolite Ferroseed (+Def) : 41.44% - 49.32% (3 hits to KO) (Ferroseed can do nothing back to it)
252 Atk Choice Band Torterra (+Atk) Stone Edge vs 252 HP/0 Def Mandibuzz : 65.57% - 77.36% (2 hits to KO)

Also, turtle is cool :)
 
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