Figured that would happen when I finally started talking more. Oh well, good luck guys!
Read his lynch on kok D1. Orcinus started it. Had he not done that, it would've been nigh impossible for him not to get lynched yesterday. There's almost no reason a mafia would start a lynch on his teammate the very first day, hence my apprehension.Kaxtar said:As for Engineer, I think he also seems untrustworthy. Engineer has been going against the grain by supporting OD. At least, that's my understanding of his posts when he constantly says, "well, that's true, but maybe OD isn't really scum becuase [insert excuse here].
Here you go.This is something that Enginer would not be too inclined to do unless he was also a Mafiaso trying to protect a teammate. Engineer also did not truly denounce the lynch vote that OD gave for him, which implies that he is mafia and thus has no solid defense. Therefore, he deflected the pressure on him by agreeing with the village.
lol this is a great postThat was a bizzare tactic by OD, I look forward to seeing the discussion thread.
Anyway, @kaxtar, I find it amusing that of your 3 clears, 1 died and the other 2 are among the most suspected players here, whats your reasoning?
Just because you aren't experienced doesn't mean you can't apply logic in your votes/scum tells/whatever. While I'd like to thank you for thinking I'm clean I can't because your logic as to why makes even less sense than Pokemaniac's. I'm apparently clean because no one has accused or voted me in the last couple days? Yeah, might want to think that one over.Again, please keep in mind that this is only my second mafia game EVER.
@Pokemaniac: How are Mythril and Jalmont the most suspicious players? There have been no serious accusations or votes against them in the last couple of days.
Lol look at the irony. You don't think its fair when others do it to you and then you do it to the next person to sub in. Well done.In my mind I don't think its at all fair to me to lynch me because AG acted like scum.
This is exactly what is wrong with pokemaniac's logic. What you find unfair is exactly what I found unfair. Everything you found with my logic (which I took from pokemaniac btw) that didn't make sense was almost exactly the same reason why I was "whining" in my other posts. Or did you maybe take offense because you have something to hide? (not saying you do)Jalmont id kinda like an actual reason for your lynch vote on me. Yes, o.k I have not "posted a lot" but fucking cut me some slack when I only just subbed in and posted a few hours ago saying that I was reading the thread and catching up on everything.
Yes my predecessors did'nt post a lot either (hence them being Subbed) but then again, your predecessor dropped in activity and was considered scummy as well. Should I therefore be lynching you?
Lol look at the irony. You don't think its fair when others do it to you and then you do it to the next person to sub in. Well done.
I can live with this, I haven't looked over the fist couple days in a while and I actually wasn't really sure why Mithril was/is considered suspicious.Mithril looks suspicious because he has been in this game from the start, and for the first few days was inactive and mainly posted lynch votes with no reasons (kinda like what you just did). Since then his activity has picked up a little but he still only tends to respond when called out for his inactivity and this gives him the impression that he is attempting to fly under the radar.
Isn't this exactly what your complaining about? You don't want to be lynched, so you got upset at my bs logic. I don't blame you, I was put in that situation earlier. Oh and maybe I haven't been killed because the mafia thinks they can waste a day lynching a villager? Idk, I'm not mafia lol. If a mafian would like to clarify, feel free.Jalmont: 50% of his posts (rough estimate) are whinging at people not to lynch him cos "im not Aura Guardian". Id like him to post his thoughts on people so we can have a solid imput from him. I am concerned however with his predecessors' suspicious behaviour combined with him apparently having a strong power role. Im new to this and don't want to jump to conclusions but can someone tell me why the mafia would let a village power role (apparently as strong as yours) live for so long?
This. This. This. If you are village you have nothing to hide by posting. So everyone please post more (auramaster, khz, etc.)General Note (I know that Kaxtar already said this but) can everyone please post thoughts and stuff. As a sub everyone wants me to post more (which is fair) but im finding it hard to make judgements when people don't post.
(ill post my thoughts on the other people in the game soon, I still need to read the thread more since at the most I can only describe the rest in a few sentences, hardly acceptable.
None taken.EDIT: wow that was actually pretty harsh toward Jalmont. No offence man just got a little frustrated I wasn't getting time to post thoughts
That was a bizzare tactic by OD, I look forward to seeing the discussion thread.
Anyway, @kaxtar, I find it amusing that of your 3 clears, 1 died and the other 2 are among the most suspected players here, whats your reasoning?
Overreaction much? I mean, it's obvious that Pokemaniac's post didn't make much sense, but I think you're making a mountain out of a molehill here. I'll be honest and say that I do find you and Mithril a bit suspicious; AG was extremely suspicious before he got subbed out, and Mithril has been kind of suspicious throughout the entire game (see all other posts for reasons). The second bolded part is interesting. In both your posts, all you do is tear apart other people's posts. I don't see any opinion of your own. Moreover, where did you get that from? In Pokemaniac's post, there's nothing that sounds as if he's leading the village or something like that. If you got that from a different post, sorry, but there's nothing the quoted post that would lead to the conclusion you drew (i.e. Pokemaniac assuming things for village).How at all is it amusing at all that out of one of three of his clears died? I don't understand anything funny about this. But wait, it gets better!
Apparently me and Mithril are the most suspected players! Wow, that was totally unexpected coming from you, pokemaniac!
You know what I love? I love how you phrase that as if "well, the whole village suspects those two, they're major targets," when that's the farthest thing from the truth. Pokemaniac I wasn't aware that only you made up the village. Please stop assuming everyone shares the same thoughts and suspicions as you (especially at this point when it makes even less sense then when it did before).
So you spend half of your post talking about how his logic is faulty. Then, you start railing about how people still consider you suspicious because AG was suspicious (nothing you can do there). Finally, you decide to take the logic that you just proved was faulty, then decide to use it against somebody else. What?How is Mithril suspicious other than not posting often? And yeah I know you seem to have something against me as all you can say is, "Yeah AG acted like scum, but even though other people are acting suspicious I'm just going to focus on Jalmont." Even after OD and his ridiculous claim, you somehow still found me more suspicious than him. And all you have against me is, "AG played like scum." So I'm just going to apply your logic and vote ginganinja. (NOT A LYNCH VOTE) Yeah, he hasn't posted, but who cares? Hydrattler/Pernicious didn't post often and when they did it didn't make a lot of sense or didn't help anyone in any particular way.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't your lynch vote for ginga bolded before you edited it? If you were to make a vote that "wasn't really serious," I don't see why you would bold it. This doesn't point to anything, but I just find it kind of hard to stomach. Also, can you just stop whining about how AG acted like scum? He undoubtedly did, and we all know that. We know that you are not AG, but we also know that you have the same role as AG. If he was scum, then you are as well. This isn't meant to be offensive; it's simply a fact. You can't expect us to go "oh yeah you're not AG we can ignore all the posts he made in this thread," since you two have the same exact role.ginga I completely understand your reaction and just so you know that vote wasn't really serious. I was trying to show how ridiculous pokemaniac's logic is. I probably should've put a little note in their as sarcasm doesn't translate well on the internet. All I'm saying is if you want to lynch someone because "well the guy before him acted like scum so lets just lynch him" don't and find a better reason to lynch said person or you know maybe look at other people as possible scum (looking at you pokemaniac).
Posting opinions and not ripping apart other people's posts without adding content would also be good.This. This. This. If you are village you have nothing to hide by posting. So everyone please post more (auramaster, khz, etc.)
Since its almost certain that Kaxtar is clean because of a lack of mayor counter claim, I attribute his "strange" reads more to inexperience than anything. Actually now I think about it, Kaxtar seems desperate to let everyone know he is inexperienced by prefacing his last two posts with "I'm inexperienced, don't take my views too seriously." If it wasn't for the mayor claim evidence, I'd find this suspicious.I accept my last post was badly written, and I certainly didn't mean to say that it was funny flamestrike was dead, but my point that kaxtar has come out and said that 2 of the 3 most suspected people, and not just by me, are clear seems strange still stands. I'd recomment reading the whole thread rather than just the last day or so if you want to gain a decent picture of people.
Yeah, I was mainly advising him to read up in case he has any useful thoughts.Since its almost certain that Kaxtar is clean because of a lack of mayor counter claim, I attribute his "strange" reads more to inexperience than anything. Actually now I think about it, Kaxtar seems desperate to let everyone know he is inexperienced by prefacing his last two posts with "I'm inexperienced, don't take my views too seriously." If it wasn't for the mayor claim evidence, I'd find this suspicious.
Ok you find me and Mithril suspicious. Fine. I can live with that. What I can’t live with is people flat out ignoring other people who have the exact same issues. AG was suspicious? Well so was Maxim/Hydrattler/Pernicious.woahwoahwoah
Overreaction much? I mean, it's obvious that Pokemaniac's post didn't make much sense, but I think you're making a mountain out of a molehill here. I'll be honest and say that I do find you and Mithril a bit suspicious; AG was extremely suspicious before he got subbed out, and Mithril has been kind of suspicious throughout the entire game (see all other posts for reasons).
Engineer want some opinions? Here you go.The second bolded part is interesting. In both your posts, all you do is tear apart other people's posts. I don't see any opinion of your own.
Well I made that assumption after using simple grammatical skills and my understanding of the English language. pokemaniac said “and the other 2 are the most suspected players here.” Of course I’m not an English major, so if anyone is and wants to analyze pokemaniac’s posts I’m sure Engineer would appreciate it.Moreover, where did you get that from? In Pokemaniac's post, there's nothing that sounds as if he's leading the village or something like that. If you got that from a different post, sorry, but there's nothing the quoted post that would lead to the conclusion you drew (i.e. Pokemaniac assuming things for village).
Uh did you read my response to ginga. I’m guessing no because I specifically stated that I wasn’t serious.So you spend half of your post talking about how his logic is faulty. Then, you start railing about how people still consider you suspicious because AG was suspicious (nothing you can do there). Finally, you decide to take the logic that you just proved was faulty, then decide to use it against somebody else. What?
I don’t understand why this is so shocking. I mean your stomach must be really hurting when it gets down to lynches. What is so wrong with posting a lynch vote? I don’t see how this is hurting anyone (except your stomach). If anything this helps the village out by forcing people to talk or risk being lynched.Correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't your lynch vote for ginga bolded before you edited it? If you were to make a vote that "wasn't really serious," I don't see why you would bold it. This doesn't point to anything, but I just find it kind of hard to stomach.
Like I’ve said I think I know how a role PM works. And like I responded to khz I realize why people are suspicious of me. But I don’t see anyone applying this logic to ginganinja. It makes me wonder why me specifically am being targeted, especially when it seems that pokemaniac isn’t considering anyone else.Also, can you just stop whining about how AG acted like scum? He undoubtedly did, and we all know that. We know that you are not AG, but we also know that you have the same role as AG. If he was scum, then you are as well. This isn't meant to be offensive; it's simply a fact. You can't expect us to go "oh yeah you're not AG we can ignore all the posts he made in this thread," since you two have the same exact role.
You’re right we shouldn’t challenge anybody who posts with terrible logic. I mean why bother? It’s not like we can’t coexist with the mafia right. In fact we should just vote no lynch for the rest of the game because I’m sure the mafia is willing to not kill anybody either!Posting opinions and not ripping apart other people's posts without adding content would also be good.
While I agree with this I’d again like to remind everyone that auramaster has not done so either and is as guilty if not more so the Mithril. auramaster for god’s sake please post a list of reads or at least something!Anyway, right now, I think that Mithril is the most suspicious person. Mithril hasn't posted much (Dec 3, Dec 1, Nov 30 being the dates of his most recent posts), and his posts have mainly consisted of agreeing with other people without adding much (I know I'm guilty of this for the OD lynch, but everything there was fairly obvious), so that might be a sign of a mafia trying to sneak by.
wait whatI also think that Jalmont is fairly suspicious. Given AG's claim, I don't see why he wouldn't have been killed yet; this is supported by the fact that one person has died every night, which means that the BG hasn't been successful yet.
Do people need to add "I think that..." before every one of their sentences?Well I made that assumption after using simple grammatical skills and my understanding of the English language. pokemaniac said “and the other 2 are the most suspected players here.” Of course I’m not an English major, so if anyone is and wants to analyze pokemaniac’s posts I’m sure Engineer would appreciate it.
I actually made this comment because I saw your response to ginga. Lynching somebody to get activity up is fine, but why lynch somebody under pretenses of trying to prove flawed logic? This is what I meant by your lynch vote being "hard to stomach," and it'd be much appreciated if you decided not to think literally every time.Uh did you read my response to ginga. I’m guessing no because I specifically stated that I wasn’t serious.
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I don’t understand why this is so shocking. I mean your stomach must be really hurting when it gets down to lynches. What is so wrong with posting a lynch vote? I don’t see how this is hurting anyone (except your stomach). If anything this helps the village out by forcing people to talk or risk being lynched.
No, I'm saying that telling people to post reads while not doing so yourself is hypocritical. Are you saying that it isn't?Yeah, no. I don’t see how I wasn’t contributing. Are you saying that pointing out fallacies in people’s logic is detrimental to the village?
Yes, to an extent. You've claimed an important role while not dying, and you're suspicious because AG acted in an extremely suspicious manner. The BG part is indirectly related; it simply means that had a mafia targeted you, you would've died, since the BG failed, so we know that no killing role has targeted you unless you managed to hook them or something.I’m suspicious because I haven’t been killed yet? WELL GUYS IT LOOKS LIKE WE SHOULD LYNCH KAXTAR AND JALMONT THEY’VE CLAIMED BUT THEY HAVENT BEEN KILLED YET AAAHHH. Besides that bit of logic not making sense, you’re next sentence is even more puzzling. Apparently the fact the BG has not been successful yet makes me more suspicious? Can you or anyone explain what you’re trying to say here? To me it looks like you tried to connect two things that 1. Have nothing to do with each other and 2. Can’t be connected.
Great, insulting people is going to get village far into this game.Here’s another opinion: Your logic in this game sucks and I can’t comprehend some of the things you say.
Are you talking about Aura Guardian or auramaster? (assuming the second since AG subbed out)As for getting a good lynch going, I have a feeling that the Mafiaso will try to hide out and avoid suspicion for the remainder of the game. Now that we only have 8 players left, likely 2-3 of the mafia, it would be in their best interest to hide now more than ever to decrease drawing attention to themselves. Thus, I suppose we discuss Aura Master (not a vote), as he has been inactive this day and most of the last one. Furthermore, many people have suspicions of AG already for scummy behavior in the past. If someone who is more well versed in Aura's actions/mafia logic than I am could take charge, it would be appreciated.
I don't really know how to respond to this because I don't know why I haven't been killed. Perhaps they think I'll get myself lynched if I continue to rage? Your guess is as good as mine.EP does make a valid point that the mafia have left you alone. Kaxtar is clean simply because his role has actually been proven to exist and is predominantly a village role. AG claimed hooker which is usually a significantly more powerful role (and can usually stop kills), can be a mafia role and you have been left well alone for the entire game (by the sounds of it).
No, I'm not saying isn't. In fact I want people to do so. I'm not sure where you got that I haven't been posting reads because I have (linked to my first one in my response to ginga's post and I gave you another one in my response to yours.No, I'm saying that telling people to post reads while not doing so yourself is hypocritical. Are you saying that it isn't?
I'm honestly sorry for this, I didn't mean to say your logic sucks, I meant that sometimes I don't really understand what you're trying to say. I will admit I was in a pissy mood writing that as I had written a response before only to have my computer freeze. :/Great, insulting people is going to get village far into this game.
I said I'd shut up but...@Jalmont
No offence but this is why I don't find long walls of texts with reads useful (and hence don't make them). They all end up as a copypasta of one another or just stating the obvious, neither of which add anything.
But something I find interesting is your contrasting reads on Mithril and auramaster. Both are in the same position, being the less active players in the game. But for Mithril you pretty much say "meh, post more, I understand irl stuff happens" where as for auramaster you find him extremely scummy. Anyone else think this seems like buddying?