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Rotation Battle Play

Discussion in 'Orange Islands' started by Emperor, Oct 14, 2010.

  1. Emperor

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    I feel there are enough rulings discovered that most of the play for rotation battles is now able to be talked about so...here we go.​

    (This is not a thread to compair Rotation Battles to other Battle Styles or to dismiss Rotation Battles as a battle type that will not be played)​

    Rotation Battles Rulings from research thread (will edit in as updates come)
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    Confirmed Pokémon that are rotated out are not "switched" out; they retain all buffs, status conditions, etc. as if they remained in battle.
    Confirmed Rotating a Pokemon out does not removes its buffs\debuffs, ability changes, Leech Seed, etc. (Philip7086, Setsuna)
    Confirmed Each Pokemon has their own Protect\Detect\Endure\Wide Guard\Fast Guard counter. It does not reset upon being rotated off the field. (Philip7086, jumpluff)
    Confirmed Choice item holders remain locked in their move even after being rotated out. (Philip7086, jumpluff)
    Confirmed Pursuit does not "chase down" a Pokemon that has been rotated out, presumably doesn't do double damage either. (0mastar)
    Confirmed Natural Cure does not activate upon rotating a Pokemon out. (How about Regenerate?) (Philip7086, Setsuna)
    Confirmed Entry hazards (Stealth Rock, Spikes, Toxic Spikes) do not damage Pokemon for rotating around on the grid. They only damage Pokemon who are switched out from inside their Pokeball. (Philip7086, The_Chaser)
    Confirmed All abilities that are only triggered upon a Pokemon entering the battle do not activate if said Pokemon is merely rotated in. This includes Intimidate, weather abilities, etc. However, if you switch the Pokemon in from your party, its ability will activate. (Philip7086, Setsuna)
    Confirmed The game remembers status counters for Toxic and Sleep. In other words, if you take one turn of Toxic damage (6.25%) then rotate out, the next time you rotate in, you will take increased Toxic damage (12.5%) instead of starting back at 6.25% again. Your Sleep count also gets saved, instead of being reset like it does upon switching out, if you rotate out your total slept turns is still counted. (Philip7086, Setsuna)
    Confirmed If a Pokemon's type is changed, it will remain changed even if the Pokemon is rotated out. The only way to get rid of a typing change is to use another move that changes its typing, or withdraw the Pokemon into its Pokeball. (Philip7086, Setsuna)
    Confirmed The game remembers each Pokemon's last move before rotating out, and Encore will force said Pokemon to use their last move if they are rotated back into a faster Encore. (Philip7086, Setsuna)
    Confirmed The effects of Encore, Taunt, etc. get carried with the Pokemon when they are rotated out. In other words, if you are Taunted and you rotate out, the next time you get rotated in, Taunt will still be in effect. Same with Encore, etc. (Philip7086, Setsuna)
    Confirmed Intimidate: Affects only the opposing active Pokemon, not all three opponents on the field, and is only activated once while the Pokemon is on the field. (skarm, Afti)
    Confirmed Shadow Tag does not prevent a Pokemon from rotating about, only from withdrawing into a Pokeball. (Philip7086, The_Chaser)
    Confirmed The Slow Start counter remains constant for an inactive Pokemon. (Philip7086)
    Confirmed Weather abilities do not activate unless the Pokemon is the first active Pokemon on the field or fully switched in (from off the field). Does not activate even if rotated in. (SupremeDirt)
    Confirmed Plus, Minus, and Flower Gift do not give their respective boosts when the Pokemon is inactive. Presumably the same applies to Victory Star and the like. (Philip7086, The_Chaser)
    Confirmed Moves that target multiple Pokemon such as Earthquake, Surf, and Discharge do not damage any Pokemon except the one Pokemon who is active on your opponent's grid at the time. (Philip7086, The_Chaser)
    Confirmed You cannot rotate to a Pokemon and switch it out on the same turn. You can only switch a Pokemon out if it is currently active. (Philip7086, The_Chaser)
    Confirmed Other constantly present abilities like Pressure only get announced if you lead with the Pokemon, or switch them in from inside a Pokeball. If you rotate one of these Pokemon in, the game will not announce the ability, but its effect will still be active (you will still lose 2 PP if you attack a Pressure Pokemon, etc.). (Philip7086, Setsuna)
    Confirmed Pokemon do not receive status damage while they are inactive. (Philip7086, Setsuna)
    Confirmed The active Pokemon cannot Baton Pass\U-turn\Volt Change to an inactive Pokemon on the field, only Pokemon in their Pokeballs. (jumpluff, Philip7086)
    Confirmed If both sides rotate at the same time, the side with the faster Pokemon rotates first. (Philip7086, jumpluff)
    Tentative It appears to be that the act of Rotating is considered a free action. We tried a few things to damage an opponent before rotating out, but none worked. This includes priority moves like Fake Out, Ice Shard, etc., and Pursuit as well. This has very cool competitive implications, seeing as a Pokemon also cannot be damaged by entry hazards -- you can keep an important Pokemon alive no matter what if you want, until it's the last Pokemon! (Philip7086, Setsuna)
    Tentative Rotation occurs before any moves are made. Unknown if there are any exceptions. (Coram_Boy)



    Summary: Rotation battles are a new battle type introduced in Generation 5. In these battles you send out three pokemon though only one pokemon is truely considered in play. At the beginning of your turn you select which of your three pokemon you wish to be sent in or switch out your current pokemon for a new middle pokemon (just like in singles). This requires a large amount of prediction and more to think about than simply just a one on one battle.


    Strategies to consider when building a team

    The 4th Member: You opponent only sees at most 3 pokemon on your team in a rotation battle at any given time. However, there is a fourth person, the one you can switch in. This means that an extremely large deal of thought should go into who is the first pokemon you've sent out and what members may support them. This goes the other way as well since your opponent can do the same. For example, your opponent has a gyarados to start in the center with a scizor and an infernape at the side but they have an eletrivire just in case of electric attacks. Remember that your opponent could switch to someone out on the field of play at any time of the battle when you least expect it and that there are still 3 other people on your opponents team that are not out!

    Stat Storing: A pokemon rotated out keeps its stat increases. So storing a pokemon with stat increases for later in a battle probably isn't a bad idea. That way when you need the help you can just send in your +2 DD Ononokusu when you need it the most.

    These are only two things to consider! Discuss the Rotation Battle strategies and play!
  2. TwilightWings

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    Seems good but let's say sunny day is in effect and cherrim is one of my pokemon out but not the active one. Does my active pokemon get the boost?
  3. CanadiEntei

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    What of "species clause"? If I were to, say, enjoy a fan made battle style that involves a team full of the same Pokemon... I can bring it to rotations?
  4. Emperor

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    nope, under rulings posted :P

    @CanadiEntei

    Well that would depend on the person you're facing. Some people will allow the species clause to be broken if you ask some won't.
  5. TwilightWings

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  6. Emperor

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    They might actually, I'll add that to the research thread if it isn't there already.

    But really, questions like these should be in the research thread not here >.> This is a topic for battle strategies and theorizing how Rotation battles would work with what we know
  7. RocketSurgery

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    Trick room seems like it could be pretty useful in rotation battles. Have the lead position pokemon set up trick room, then next turn rotate into whatever will make the best use of TR. This saves wasting turns to switch into a sweeper when trick room goes up, and a turn switching the sweeper out when trick room goes down.
  8. Crystic

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    Gravity might actually see some use in this play-style. Does switching positions take up a turn? I would assume it does, but I did not see it in the rotation battle rulings.
  9. Lupo Aro

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    Nope.
  10. Emperor

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    Nope, switching positions doesn't take a turn if you watch the videos

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-sOPdFNACzA

    Thinking now, any form of field effect would give a person a very large advantage. The only downside is that if the opponent sees it coming and taunts you it's game over.
  11. Crystic

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    Interesting. Very interesting. Pokemon may have increased strategy and tactics tenfold with the introduction of Rotation Battles.
  12. Emperor

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    Since Toxic turn counters still continue to go even if a person is rotated out I'd say stall would be pretty annoying at some points. If you lose track the second you rotate somebody poisoned in they would die afterwords O.o

    Of course, you have steels, poison types, and potentially 3 sweepers at your disposal. Your opponent is going to have a hard time guessing everything you do :P
  13. XienZo

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    According to the research, the toxic counter doesn't keep going. It just stops where it is, but it doesn't reset either.


    Basically, as far as I'm aware, time essentially stops for Pokemon as soon as they're rotated out, which would mean that Slow Start would likely not progress.
  14. Emperor

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    Ah okay, well that's better. Not too good though not too bad
  15. DDRMaster

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    Fire/Water/Grass cores will likely dominate, since they get such great offensive and defensive synergy with each other. Erufuun looks great as well since Encore, Taunt, and Leech Seed don't reset when the Pokemon is rotated out.
  16. MarsVolta

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    I think a good team would be max def calm mind suicune with 3 moves, and two wish passers with clerical abilities and taunt(to prevent being set up on). Since in rotation battles, you can now cm up and not have to worry about using moves like rest/sleep talk to keep yourself alive, you can have 3 attacks for solid coverage and your team mates can prevent keep you healthy and disrupt your opponent.

    Btw, how does Roar/whirlwind work?
  17. petrie911

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    My theorymon senses tell me bulky offense is going to be big. The ability to rotate in to a resisted attack and fire off one of your own is very powerful. Stall will likely be hurt by the fact that rotation is much like a free switch, and Stall relies on entry hazards to punish offensive switches.
  18. DDRMaster

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    That seems like it could work pretty well, atleast in theory. Definitely go with max Def since you already have CM to boost you SpDef. I suppose Protect could be useful on Suicune as well since you can go:

    1st turn: Wish with Blissey or whatever
    2nd turn: Swap Suicune in and use Protect. Wish heals you at the end of the turn.

    Roar and Whirlwind (and Dragon Tail and Overhead Throw) force you to switch to your reserve Pokemon. If you only have 3 Pokemon remaining, Roar and Whirlwind will fail just like if you had only one Pokemon remaining in a Singles Battle.

    On another note, I think Vaporeon + Erufuun + Heatran or Infernape could work well together. Erufuun Taunts/Encores/Leech Seeds, Vaporeon heals everyone with Wish, and Heatran and Infernape are there to complete the Fire/Water/Grass core.

    Edit: petrie911: If you swap in a Pokemon that's faster than your opponent's, you can attack before they do and most likely KO them. Stall also won't work at all because you only have 4 Pokemon to work with.
  19. Staraptor Call

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    Any field effect that lasts for a limited number of turns will be better in rotation battles. This is because you no longer have to waste a turn of the effect switching out your setup Pokemon. Rain, Sun, Trick Room, Gravity, Screens, and even Tailwind will all be more useful in Rotation Battles. Rain teams in particular will dominate. Not only do Rain teams not need to waste a turn of Rain switching, but a Rain core can be built with just four Pokemon. A team consisting of a bulky setup Pokemon, a Rain Dance Kingdra, and two pure Rain sweepers will be able sweep easily. Metagames with fewer than six Pokemon allowed on teams are inherently more offensive as well, since it is impossible to counter every threat with fewer than six Pokemon.
  20. Emperor

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    It'd probably be very useful to have ditto here. If any of your people die to a boosted person you can steal their boosts and rotate out for later which is very helpful :)
  21. min min

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    Things will die fast.
    e.g.
    Opponent's Starmie switches in, threatens Thunderbolt on Gyarados.
    Rotate to Specs Jolteon, threaten your own Thunderbolt.
    Opponent rotates to Birijion, threatens to set up and kill.
    Rotate to Skymin, threaten Air Slash.
    etc.
    Ad nauseum, until something really clever is predicted. And prediction is just guessing, but with style.
  22. SupremeDirt

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    By the way, as abilities on the sides do not activate, Slow Start doesn't either. Therefore, Gigas can get his act together immediately. Guess he learned about alarm clocks.
  23. The Diverman

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    Wait 4 pokemon? Why can't we use six?

    Though it looks like entry hazards will be pretty much nonexistent in rotation battles.
  24. SupremeDirt

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    Random Battle limits you to 4. WiFi and Wireless you can use a full 6.
  25. JojoX3

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    When I did a Rotation Battle against an NPC in my game, she used Lock On with some success. I´m not sure if Lock On stays in effect even if either Pokemon rotates out, but if it does, it could work nicely for spreading status and damage with Purgatory/Dynamic Punch/Zap Cannon.

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