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Metagame Six Move Battling XY

Discussion in 'Other Metagames' started by aesf, Apr 12, 2014.

  1. aesf

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    Let's face it. Having four moves sucks. So why not have 6? Introducing (well, rehashing) Six Move Battling XY.

    How do I play this metagame?
    You can play it by individually challenging people and selecting, "custom game" as the tier.

    How do I give my Pokemon 6 moves?
    Say you had a Nidoking with earth power, flamethrower, thunderbolt, and ice beam, but you wanted sludge wave and shadow ball. Go to the import/export button near the teambuilder, and look at your pokemon's text, which should appear like this:

    Nidoking (M) @ Life Orb
    Ability: Sheer Force
    EVs: 252 SAtk / 252 Spd / 4 HP
    Timid Nature
    - Earth Power
    - Flamethrower
    - Ice Beam
    - Thunderbolt

    For sludge wave and shadow ball you would add:

    - Sludge Wave
    - Shadow Ball

    below the fourth move.

    Banlist:
    Standard OU banlist
    MAKE SURE TO USE LEGAL MOVES

    Please post sets and comment about this tier (i.e. buffs, new checks, etc.).

    Have fun people!
    Last edited: Apr 12, 2014
  2. Delibird is Amazing

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    Greninja @ Life Orb
    Ability: Protean
    EVs: 4 HP / 252 SAtk / 252 Spd
    Hasty Nature
    - Surf
    - Ice Beam
    - Dark Pulse
    - Extrasensory
    - U-Turn
    - Hidden Power [Fire]

    4mss begone!
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  3. Yayz

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    So this is playable on Showdown, then? That's pretty cool.

    First thing that comes to mind:

    Manaphy @ Damp Rock
    Ability: Hydration
    EVs: 252 HP / 4 SAtk / 252 Spd
    Timid Nature
    - Tail Glow
    - Surf
    - Ice Beam
    - Energy Ball / Psychic
    - Rain Dance
    - Rest

    Simple enough; a +3 Rain-boosted Surf wrecks pretty hard, with other moves for coverage. You can also avoid status with Hydration, and Rest keeps you healthy.

    Other good 'mons would include Rotom-W, Venusaur-M, and pretty much anything whose role is to do damage, easing prediction by subbing on the switch.
  4. michaeloche

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    Lots of mons with 4mss can really benefit from this. And some that don't can opt to hit more things super effectively. Here's some possible sets:

    Dragonite @ Life Orb/Leftovers/Lum Berry
    Ability: Multiscale
    EVs: 252 Atk / 252 Spd / 4 Def
    Adamant/Jolly Nature
    -Dragon Dance
    -Roost
    -Dragon Claw/Outrage
    -Fire Punch
    -Earthquake
    -Extreme Speed

    Now you can get boosting, recovery, priority, and coverage all on the same set. A bulky spread is an option as well, as is Substitute.

    Suicune @ Leftovers
    Ability: Pressure
    EVs: 252 HP / 252 Def / 4 SAtk
    Bold Nature
    -Rest
    -Sleep Talk
    -Calm Mind
    -Scald
    -Ice Beam
    -Hidden Power [Grass]/[Electric]

    CroCune with coverage? And a less chance to call Rest again while asleep? Sounds like fun!

    Conkeldurr @ Assault Vest
    Ability: Guts
    EVs: 252 HP / 252 Atk / 4 Def (or whatever AV Conk's spread is)
    Adamant Nature
    -Drain Punch
    -Mach Punch
    -Knock Off
    -Ice Punch
    -Thunder Punch
    -Stone Edge/Rock Tomb/Poison Jab

    Now this looks scary. Conk gets his healing and priority, plus all sorts of coverage, plus the inherent difficulty to kill that comes with AV. Dare I say 6mss?
  5. Albacore

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    This sounds awesome. Finally, 4MSS is no longer a thing!

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    Lucario @ Life Orb
    Ability: Justified
    EVs: 4 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Spe
    Adamant Nature
    - Swords Dance
    - Close Combat
    - Extremespeed
    - Ice Punch
    - Iron Tail
    - Earthquake

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    Latios @ Life Orb
    Ability: Levitate
    EVs: 4 HP / 252 SpA / 252 Spe
    Hasty Nature
    - Defog
    - Draco Meteor
    - Psyshock
    - HP Fire
    - Earthquake
    - Thunderbolt

    Yeah, this is probably not good for stall. Still, it can benefit from this a little :

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    Heatran @ Leftovers
    Ability: Flash Fire
    EVs: 252 HP / 4 Def / 252 SpD
    Hasty Nature
    - Stealth Rock
    - Lava Plume
    - Roar
    - Protect
    - Toxic
    - Will-O-Wisp / Torment
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    Venusaur @ Venusaurite
    Ability: Chlorophyll
    EVs: 252 HP / 68 Def / 188 SDef
    Sassy Nature | Calm Nature
    - Synthesis
    - Sludge Bomb
    - Giga Drain
    - Leech Seed
    - Earthquake
    - Sleep Powder

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    Slowbro @ Leftovers
    Ability: Regenerator
    EVs: 252 HP / 252 Def / 4 SAtk
    Bold Nature
    IVs: 0 Atk
    - Thunder Wave
    - Toxic
    - Ice Beam
    - Slack Off
    - Scald
    - Psyshock

    I can see stall becoming a thing :P
  7. aesf

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    Great Feedback and sets thus far!

    Anyways, time for some gimmicks:

    Mew @ Leftovers
    Ability: Synchronize
    - Swords Dance
    - Iron Defense
    - Amnesia
    - Agility Rock Polish
    - Nasty Plot
    - Baton Pass

    Please remember that this won't ever work in an actual match lol

    Or smeargle:

    Smeargle @ focus sash
    Ability: Own Tempo
    - Whatever you want
    - Whatever you want
    - Whatever you want
    - Whatever you want
    - Whatever you want
    - Whatever you want

    And Weedle:

    Weedle @ Master Ball
    Ability: Shield Dust
    - Bug Bite
    - Electroweb
    - Poison Sting
    - String Shot

    Poor Weedle only gets 4 moves :(
    Last edited: Apr 12, 2014
  8. Delibird is Amazing

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    mew doesn't get agility. dat flame charge though.
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    It learns Rock Polish :)
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    The great thing about this metagame is that you can merge seperate sets, like this :

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    Aegislash @ Leftovers
    Ability : Stance Change
    EVs: 252 HP / 252 SpA / 4 SpD
    Quiet Nature
    - King's Shield
    - Shadow Ball
    - Shadow Sneak
    - Sacred Sword / Pursuit
    - Substitute
    - Toxic
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    Pinsir @ Pinsirite
    Ability: Moxie
    EVs: 252 Atk/252 Spd/4 Def
    Jolly nature
    -Swords Dance
    -Return
    -Earthquake
    -Quick Attack
    -Knock Off
    -X-Scissors

    lol
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    You should add in Close Combat somewhere
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    Gogo Talonbird!


    Talonflame @ Kelpsy Berry
    Ability: Gale Wings
    EVs: 252 Spd / 252 Atk / 4 Def
    Adamant Nature
    - Brave Bird / Bulk Up
    - Natural Gift
    - Flare Blitz
    - U-turn / Bulk Up
    - Acrobatics
    - Roost

    Kelpsy Berry turns Natural Gift into a 90 BP Fighting-type move, which lets it smack Heatran and TTar SE. Rindo Berry can be used instead to be a Grass-type move for Rotom-W. Acrobatics is there after you use your berry for a better STAB.

    252+ Atk Talonflame Natural Gift (Kelpsy Berry) vs. 252 HP / 0 Def Tyranitar: 292-344 (72.2 - 85.1%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
    252+ Atk Talonflame Natural Gift (Kelpsy Berry) vs. 252 HP / 0 Def Heatran: 150-178 (38.8 - 46.1%) -- guaranteed 3HKO after Leftovers recovery
  14. Ranger Mike

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    Don't you mean liechi berry? What type does kelpsy give
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    Kelpsy says fighting on Bulbapedia, so I went with that.
  16. Ranger Mike

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    Ah because liechi is grass so it's an eye for an eye or a rotom wash for a heatran if you will
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    Liechi is probably better for the +1 acrobatics when you get to low HP. Although if your team can't deal with heatran...
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  18. noknuckles

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    I've always felt that Crobat needed 6 moves. Unfortunately, when everyone else has 6 moves to play with, it won't really be as powerful.

    Brave Bird/Defog/Roost/Taunt/U-Turn/Super Fang. I don't get how anyone can play Crobat with less than 6 moves. It seems like all of those moves, except maybe Super Fang, are absolutely required

    I'm not sure how CroCune would play out. Less chance to pull Rest on a Sleep Talk, but also less chance to pull CM. I may just go 5 moves with CroCune (Ice Beam as the fifth)

    Roserade has a nice move pool Double Spikes, Sleep Powder, Leaf Storm, HP Fire, other move of choice. Roserade's kinda funny though. With 4 moves, you wish you had more move slots, but you kinda just live with having only 4 moves. With 6 moves, you STILL wish you had more move slots
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  19. Ranger Mike

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    Togekiss is yet again a big threat, dazzling gleam, aura sphere/roost, nasty plot/heal bell, twave and air slash lol 6mss though.
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    Tyranitar @ Leftovers
    Ability: Sand Stream
    EVs: 252 HP / 4 Atk / 252 SpDef
    Sassy Nature
    - Stealth Rock
    - Pursuit
    - Crunch
    - Ice Beam
    - Earthquake
    - Rock Slide / Roar

    The utilityyyyyy
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    Crobat @ Black Sludge
    252 HP / 4 Def / 252 Spe (can be utilized)
    Jolly
    Infiltrator
    - Taunt
    - Toxic
    - Super Fang
    - U-turn / Defog
    - Brave Bird
    - Roost

    This is what Crobat has been crying for for YEARS.

    Nidoking @ Life Orb
    252 SpA / 4 Def / 252 Spe
    Timid / Modest
    Sheer Force
    - Sludge Wave
    - Earth Power
    - Thunderbolt
    - Ice Beam
    - Fire Blast
    - Focus Blast

    yessssssss
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    Charizard @ Charizardite X
    252 Att / 4 def / 252 Spe
    Adamant Nature
    Blaze

    Dragon Dance
    Flare Blitz
    Dragon Claw
    Earthquake
    Roost
    Swords Dance / WoW

    Garchomp @ Life Orb / Rocky Helmet / Lum berry / Yache Berry / Focus Sash
    4 HP / 252 Att / 252 Spe
    Jolly / Naive
    Rough Skin

    Stealth Rock
    Earthquake
    Outrage / Dragon Claw
    Fire Fang / Fire Blast
    Stone Edge
    Swords Dance

    Thundurus @ life orb
    252 SpA / 4 def / 252 Spe
    Timid
    Prankster

    Thunderbolt
    HP ice
    Nasty Plot
    Agility
    Taunt / Focus Blast
    Thunder Wave
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    Lucario @ Life Orb
    Ability: Justified
    EVs: 252 Atk / 4 Def / 252 Spe
    Adamant/Jolly Nature
    - Swords Dance
    - Close Combat
    - Extremespeed
    - Bullet Punch
    - Crunch
    - Ice Punch

    Charizard @ Charizardite Y
    EVs: 4 Atk / 252 SpA / 252 Spe
    Hasty Nature
    - Fire Blast
    - Solarbeam
    - Roost
    - Focus Blast
    - Earthquake
    - Flare Blitz/Dragon Pulse

    Greninja @ Life Orb/Expert Belt
    Ability: Protean
    EVs: 88 Atk / 188 SpA / 252 Spe (Invest more in Sp. Atk if running Expert Belt)
    Hasty Nature
    - Hydro Pump/Waterfall
    - U-turn
    - Ice Beam
    - Dark Pulse
    - Water Shuriken/Shadow Sneak/Hidden Power Fire/HP Grass
    - Extrasensory/Grass Knot

    Hawlucha @ Sitrus Berry/Liechi Berry/Power Herb
    Ability: Unburden
    EVs: 4 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Spe
    Adamant/Jolly Nature
    - Substitute
    - Swords Dance
    - Acrobatics
    - High Jump Kick
    - Rock Slide
    - Sky Attack/Flying Press/U-turn/Roost

    Blastoise @ Blastoisinite
    EVs: 252 HP / 252 SpA / 4 SpD
    Modest Nature
    - Rapid Spin/Dragon Pulse/Toxic
    - Water Pulse/Scald/Hydro Pump
    - Ice Beam
    - Dark Pulse
    - Aura Sphere
    - Dragon Pulse/Flash Cannon/Toxic

    And naturally, my offensive mindset can only think of sweepers and wallbreakers. At least I managed to find room for a bulky water lol.
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    Jaguar360 why the hell did you slash Waterfall with Hydro Pump on Greninja? An Toxic/Dragon Pulse with Rapid Spin on Blastoise?

    They should look like this:

    Blastoise @ Blastoisinite
    EVs: 252 HP / 252 SpA / 4 SpD
    Modest Nature
    - Rapid Spin
    - Water Pulse / Hydro Pump
    - Ice Beam
    - Dark Pulse
    - Aura Sphere
    - Dragon Pulse

    Greninja @ Life Orb
    Ability: Protean
    EVs: 252 SpA / 4 Def / 252 Spe
    Timid Nature
    - Hydro Pump
    - Extrasensory
    - Ice Beam
    - Dark Pulse
    - Hidden Power Grass / Fire
    - umm.. Spikes?
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    Hawlucha is interesting too - Sky Attack isn't so bad now that it has 6 moveslots.

    Hawlucha @ Power Herb
    Ability: Unburden
    EVs: 252 Spd / 252 Atk / 4 HP
    Adamant Nature
    - Substitute / Encore / Rock Slide
    - Swords Dance
    - Sky Attack
    - High Jump Kick
    - Acrobatics
    - Encore / Roost / Rock Slide

    The Lati twins are also interesting.

    Latias (F) @ Life Orb
    Ability: Levitate
    EVs: 252 SAtk / 4 SDef / 252 Spd
    Timid Nature
    - Draco Meteor
    - Defog
    - Psyshock
    - Roost
    - Healing Wish
    - Thunderbolt

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