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Smogon Usage-Based Tier Update: May 2015

Discussion in 'Smogon Metagames' started by Antar, May 2, 2015.

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  1. acz13

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    Time to get wrecking in RU with noivern!
  2. Talpr0ne

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    May I ask why you think that? Unless Aegislash gets unbanned or Sableye stall gets really big again, and I don't really see either situation happening, the future looks pretty bright for Alakazam, since he's basically the fastest thing around and extremely powerful. Competition from other mega evolutions doesn't even mean that much since none of them bar Aerodactyl reaches the sanic speed of Alakazam, and he even has some decent Sash and Life Orb sets, even though they're not as good as Mega.

    I honestly don't get how Mamoswine dropped. People are talking about how the genies trio is becoming quickly dominant, how Serperior has reached the stars, how RockyChomp is infesting the metagame, and how common dragons and steels in general are, yet Mamoswine, which wrecks all of these trends, dropped? Guess people haven't realized that Sash lead isn't its only set.
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  3. tennisace

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    As an addendum: Gallade is now RU instead of UU. It was RU before receiving a mega evolution, and since Mega Gallade is BL, there's no sense in keeping it UU and waiting for it to drop. This is the same situation Medicham was in a couple of months ago.
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  4. Quote

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    Sorry if this seems annoying, but would it be possible to get these stats soon, please? I know Doubles UU and LC UU are rather small tiers but the 3-month stats are still helpful for observations even without the lower tiers.
  5. Antar

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    It's on my to-do list. That's all I can say right now. Doubles, especially, requires some work, thanks to its rename.
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  6. Antar

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    Okay, details:

    Doubles is what was holding me up here. It wasn't just a matter of combining "Doubles" and "Smogon Doubles": there was also a bug regarding Meloetta that was screwing things up (now fixed). This bug actually affected (only moveset?) statistics across all tiers where Meloetta is playable, so I'm rerunning everything to be safe, which is why it's taking so long.

    On the plus side, the process of updating the Doubles/LC UU banlists is now completely automated, so next tier update I should be able to post the updated other-meta tiers on the same day I post the "standard" tiers. And, as an added bonus, I'll also be generating a banlist for Doubles NU! If someone's motivated to set it up, Doubles NU can be playable as a "challenge-only" option on Showdown.

    Thanks for your patience, everyone!
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  7. jacksoncabot

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    Has there been much debate in changing the tier system so that mega evolutions are considered separate from their base forms? Certain Pokemon get dragged up to higher tiers where they could safely be used in lower ones without their megas. The only time that the base forms separate and get dropped back down is when the megastone is banned, as was the case with Mawile, Medicham, Pinsir, and Kangaskhan. In my opinion, the tier system should allow for Pokemon like Charizard, Lopunny, Abomasnow, Ampharos, Manectric, Beedrill, Pidgeot, Altaria, and Glalie to be used in tiers below where they currently sit.
  8. Da Pizza Man

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    There was, and the conclusion was reached that since you need to use their base form in order to use the mega, it counts as usage for both the base form and the mega
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  9. Antar

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    Just updated the banlists for Doubles UU, LC UU and made an initial banlist for Doubles NU!

    All will be live on Showdown next time someone updates the server.
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    Corphish moved from LC OU to LC UU: Oh my lord, the power has entered.
    Vulpix moved from LC OU to LC UU: Why did this happen! Sun in LC UU
    Skrelp moved from LC UU to LC OU: Im alright, this is a really good mon in the tier anyway.
    Slowpoke moved from LC OU to LC UU: Yeah a new wall
    Houndour moved from LC UU to LC OU: Also expected
    Omanyte moved from LC UU to LC OU: RIP UU's lord Helix.
    Pancham moved from LC OU to LC UU: This actually fits well.
    Gothita moved from LC UU to LC OU: That was to be expected.
    Shellder moved from LC UU to LC OU: This was not expected.
  11. Swede

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    Will the PGL LC stats be updated later in the month or are we going to keep May's stats early and wait for June?
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    RU: Unweighted
    | 2 | Ambipom | 14.70730% | 19561 | 14.707% | 16708 | 15.651% |
    2nd most unweighted usage in the entire tier. Wowzers.

    RU: 1500
    | 10 | Ambipom | 12.40619% | 19561 | 14.707% | 16708 | 15.651% |
    Still top 10 even when you take out the completely garbage players.

    RU: 1630
    | 32 | Ambipom | 7.52205% | 19561 | 14.707% | 16708 | 15.651% |
    An improvement, but not quite there.

    RU: 1760
    | 54 | Ambipom | 3.39061% | 19561 | 14.707% | 16708 | 15.651% |
    Petition to use 1760 stats for tiering? Molk atomicllamas what say you?
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    Oh wow, we were close to getting the Quag back in RU. Glad to see my boy Empoleon repping that 6th place in UU usage, as well as my little cousin Prinplup finally being appreciated for the power he has in NU. Someone needs to make a PSA so people will STOP USING HITMON-FOR GLORY MAC
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  14. Jirachirite

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    Antar hey just curious are you going to use the quick rise/drop system for this June tier shift?
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  16. Antar

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    Jirachirite, yes, we decided to keep the quick-change policy.

    And on that note...

    Based on May's RU statistics, Gallade is quick-dropping from RU to NU, as it received only 1.5% combined usage, which is below the cutoff of ~1.7% for quick-drops.
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  17. HypnoEmpire

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    I don't think this is really fair considering that Gallade isn't even RU in the teambuilder.
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    Gallade dropping to NU before Hitmonchan, whatttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttt
    never mind
    | 76 | Hitmonchan | 1.45922% | 1994 | 3.463% | 1614 | 3.456% |

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    LOL
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  21. Talpr0ne

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    are combined stats beetween normal and suspect ladders already up? Any chance we might see them soon?

    By the way I blame the PS! staff never updating the teambuilder for this whole Gallade thing.
  22. Robert Alfons

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    I don't see the problem with Gallade dropping to NU. Regardless of how it might have been if Gallade was properly added to the RU teambuilder, we can never say for sure if it would have stayed RU in that case. Unless somebody can find me the rule that states that something has to be explicitly mentioned in the teambuilder of a tier to have its usage stats be considered legitimate, we should consider Gallade's usage stats legitimate.
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  23. Antar

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    Talpr0ne, I don't tend to post combined stats, but if you really want them:

    OU (open)
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    Combined usage for OU
     + ---- + ------------------ + ------- + 
     | Rank | Pokemon            | Percent | 
     + ---- + ------------------ + ------- + 
     | 1    | Garchomp           | 22.493% |
     | 2    | Heatran            | 21.808% |
     | 3    | Landorus-Therian   | 20.441% |
     | 4    | Scizor             | 17.429% |
     | 5    | Keldeo             | 17.237% |
     | 6    | Talonflame         | 16.561% |
     | 7    | Ferrothorn         | 16.349% |
     | 8    | Rotom-Wash         | 15.447% |
     | 9    | Bisharp            | 14.830% |
     | 10   | Clefable           | 14.689% |
     | 11   | Latios             | 14.141% |
     | 12   | Latias             | 13.523% |
     | 13   | Excadrill          | 13.148% |
     | 14   | Azumarill          | 12.477% |
     | 15   | Starmie            | 12.113% |
     | 16   | Tyranitar          | 11.382% |
     | 17   | Skarmory           | 10.817% |
     | 18   | Tornadus-Therian   | 10.659% |
     | 19   | Lopunny            | 10.396% |
     | 20   | Thundurus          | 10.174% |
     | 21   | Charizard          |  9.605% |
     | 22   | Metagross          |  9.028% |
     | 23   | Hippowdon          |  8.630% |
     | 24   | Gengar             |  8.564% |
     | 25   | Slowbro            |  7.302% |
     | 26   | Altaria            |  7.243% |
     | 27   | Manaphy            |  7.048% |
     | 28   | Venusaur           |  7.032% |
     | 29   | Gyarados           |  6.874% |
     | 30   | Raikou             |  6.672% |
     | 31   | Serperior          |  6.593% |
     | 32   | Alakazam           |  6.317% |
     | 33   | Gliscor            |  6.305% |
     | 34   | Landorus           |  6.229% |
     | 35   | Chansey            |  6.161% |
     | 36   | Weavile            |  5.985% |
     | 37   | Breloom            |  5.698% |
     | 38   | Kyurem-Black       |  5.650% |
     | 39   | Dragonite          |  5.553% |
     | 40   | Sableye            |  5.501% |
     | 41   | Magnezone          |  5.483% |
     | 42   | Mew                |  5.236% |
     | 43   | Conkeldurr         |  5.197% |
     | 44   | Diancie            |  5.137% |
     | 45   | Gardevoir          |  4.942% |
     | 46   | Celebi             |  4.873% |
     | 47   | Sylveon            |  4.829% |
     | 48   | Manectric          |  4.456% |
     | 49   | Zapdos             |  4.447% |
     | 50   | Jirachi            |  3.606% |
     | 51   | Klefki             |  3.366% |
     | 52   | Gothitelle         |  3.205% |
     | 53   | Aegislash          |  3.148% |
     | 54   | Mandibuzz          |  3.086% |
     | 55   | Volcarona          |  2.771% |
     | 56   | Victini            |  2.417% |
     | 57   | Pinsir             |  2.401% |
     | 58   | Scolipede          |  2.399% |
     | 59   | Heracross          |  2.378% |
     | 60   | Mamoswine          |  2.317% |
     | 61   | Politoed           |  2.164% |
     | 62   | Togekiss           |  2.101% |
     | 63   | Azelf              |  2.066% |
     | 64   | Swampert           |  1.888% |
     | 65   | Amoonguss          |  1.843% |
     | 66   | Quagsire           |  1.842% |
     | 67   | Chesnaught         |  1.835% |
     | 68   | Diggersby          |  1.817% |
     | 69   | Hydreigon          |  1.769% |
     | 70   | Tentacruel         |  1.755% |
     | 71   | Terrakion          |  1.669% |
     | 72   | Medicham           |  1.626% |
     | 73   | Gallade            |  1.602% |
     | 74   | Suicune            |  1.589% |
     | 75   | Infernape          |  1.522% |
     | 76   | Aerodactyl         |  1.449% |
     | 77   | Espeon             |  1.406% |
     | 78   | Crawdaunt          |  1.374% |
     | 79   | Cresselia          |  1.313% |
     | 80   | Kingdra            |  1.234% |
     | 81   | Slowking           |  1.224% |
     | 82   | Sharpedo           |  1.212% |
     | 83   | Wobbuffet          |  1.207% |
     | 84   | Hawlucha           |  1.201% |
     | 85   | Thundurus-Therian  |  1.135% |
     | 86   | Dugtrio            |  1.077% |
     | 87   | Sceptile           |  1.029% |
     | 88   | Feraligatr         |  1.015% |
     | 89   | Forretress         |  1.008% |
     | 90   | Dragalge           |  0.970% |
     | 91   | Reuniclus          |  0.952% |
     | 92   | Whimsicott         |  0.931% |
     | 93   | Donphan            |  0.916% |
     | 94   | Entei              |  0.898% |
     | 95   | Empoleon           |  0.896% |
     | 96   | Goodra             |  0.886% |
     | 97   | Blastoise          |  0.877% |
     | 98   | Lucario            |  0.865% |
     | 99   | Toxicroak          |  0.827% |
     | 100  | Beedrill           |  0.806% |
     | 101  | Umbreon            |  0.799% |
     | 102  | Staraptor          |  0.795% |
     | 103  | Blissey            |  0.793% |
     | 104  | Pidgeot            |  0.774% |
     | 105  | Kabutops           |  0.735% |
     | 106  | Porygon2           |  0.734% |
     | 107  | Rotom-Heat         |  0.721% |
     | 108  | Alomomola          |  0.720% |
     | 109  | Tangrowth          |  0.720% |
     | 110  | Arcanine           |  0.720% |
     | 111  | Smeargle           |  0.665% |
     | 112  | Yanmega            |  0.658% |
     | 113  | Gastrodon          |  0.635% |
     | 114  | Seismitoad         |  0.611% |
     | 115  | Vaporeon           |  0.609% |
     | 116  | Chandelure         |  0.606% |
     | 117  | Ditto              |  0.601% |
     | 118  | Shuckle            |  0.582% |
     | 119  | Cloyster           |  0.576% |
     | 120  | Milotic            |  0.574% |
     | 121  | Salamence          |  0.504% |
     | 122  | Galvantula         |  0.497% |
     | 123  | Darmanitan         |  0.490% |
     | 124  | Roserade           |  0.483% |
     | 125  | Haxorus            |  0.482% |
     | 126  | Zygarde            |  0.477% |
     | 127  | Houndoom           |  0.471% |
     | 128  | Cofagrigus         |  0.460% |
     | 129  | Ninetales          |  0.456% |
     | 130  | Rhyperior          |  0.442% |
     | 131  | Crobat             |  0.442% |
     | 132  | Jolteon            |  0.431% |
     | 133  | Tyrantrum          |  0.417% |
     | 134  | Absol              |  0.403% |
     | 135  | Snorlax            |  0.395% |
     | 136  | Krookodile         |  0.395% |
     | 137  | Nidoking           |  0.362% |
     | 138  | Cobalion           |  0.362% |
     | 139  | Florges            |  0.335% |
     | 140  | Honchkrow          |  0.331% |
     | 141  | Magneton           |  0.331% |
     | 142  | Omastar            |  0.320% |
     | 143  | Aggron             |  0.307% |
     | 144  | Bronzong           |  0.307% |
     | 145  | Slurpuff           |  0.302% |
     | 146  | Froslass           |  0.301% |
     | 147  | Abomasnow          |  0.294% |
     | 148  | Machamp            |  0.292% |
     | 149  | Mienshao           |  0.290% |
     | 150  | Ampharos           |  0.288% |
     | 151  | Uxie               |  0.268% |
     | 152  | Shaymin            |  0.265% |
     | 153  | Zoroark            |  0.261% |
     | 154  | Doublade           |  0.256% |
     | 155  | Jellicent          |  0.254% |
     | 156  | Porygon-Z          |  0.246% |
     | 157  | Ludicolo           |  0.232% |
     | 158  | Trevenant          |  0.229% |
     | 159  | Sigilyph           |  0.227% |
     | 160  | Emboar             |  0.220% |
     | 161  | Scrafty            |  0.218% |
     | 162  | Noivern            |  0.209% |
     | 163  | Archeops           |  0.197% |
     | 164  | Meloetta           |  0.186% |
     | 165  | Xatu               |  0.180% |
     | 166  | Heliolisk          |  0.170% |
     | 167  | Steelix            |  0.156% |
     | 168  | Ambipom            |  0.156% |
     | 169  | Hitmonlee          |  0.133% |
     | 170  | Glalie             |  0.131% |
     | 171  | Weezing            |  0.129% |
     | 172  | Camerupt           |  0.127% |
     | 173  | Gorebyss           |  0.125% |
     | 174  | Venomoth           |  0.121% |
     | 175  | Poliwrath          |  0.120% |
     | 176  | Gourgeist-Super    |  0.119% |
     | 177  | Dusclops           |  0.117% |
     | 178  | Electivire         |  0.115% |
     | 179  | Registeel          |  0.113% |
     | 180  | Banette            |  0.112% |
     | 181  | Shedinja           |  0.108% |
     | 182  | Lanturn            |  0.107% |
     | 183  | Flygon             |  0.102% |
     | 184  | Hitmontop          |  0.101% |
     | 185  | Nidoqueen          |  0.100% |
     + ---- + ------------------ + ------- + 
    

    UU (open)
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     + ---- + ------------------ + ------- + 
     | Rank | Pokemon            | Percent | 
     + ---- + ------------------ + ------- + 
     | 1    | Mamoswine          | 20.062% |
     | 2    | Salamence          | 18.431% |
     | 3    | Forretress         | 14.591% |
     | 4    | Hydreigon          | 14.570% |
     | 5    | Florges            | 13.967% |
     | 6    | Empoleon           | 13.284% |
     | 7    | Blastoise          | 12.734% |
     | 8    | Entei              | 12.422% |
     | 9    | Crobat             | 12.412% |
     | 10   | Chandelure         | 12.021% |
     | 11   | Suicune            | 11.863% |
     | 12   | Feraligatr         | 11.715% |
     | 13   | Beedrill           | 11.296% |
     | 14   | Swampert           | 11.168% |
     | 15   | Pidgeot            | 10.962% |
     | 16   | Krookodile         | 10.841% |
     | 17   | Lucario            | 10.437% |
     | 18   | Heliolisk          | 10.265% |
     | 19   | Azelf              |  9.720% |
     | 20   | Aerodactyl         |  9.594% |
     | 21   | Heracross          |  9.474% |
     | 22   | Rotom-Heat         |  9.231% |
     | 23   | Mienshao           |  8.961% |
     | 24   | Doublade           |  8.349% |
     | 25   | Mandibuzz          |  8.294% |
     | 26   | Snorlax            |  8.106% |
     | 27   | Donphan            |  7.890% |
     | 28   | Infernape          |  7.732% |
     | 29   | Arcanine           |  7.623% |
     | 30   | Nidoqueen          |  7.601% |
     | 31   | Blissey            |  7.083% |
     | 32   | Cresselia          |  6.976% |
     | 33   | Sharpedo           |  6.895% |
     | 34   | Chesnaught         |  6.889% |
     | 35   | Aggron             |  6.884% |
     | 36   | Slurpuff           |  6.807% |
     | 37   | Whimsicott         |  6.773% |
     | 38   | Machamp            |  6.546% |
     | 39   | Tentacruel         |  6.387% |
     | 40   | Darmanitan         |  6.301% |
     | 41   | Roserade           |  6.235% |
     | 42   | Victini            |  6.191% |
     | 43   | Porygon2           |  6.047% |
     | 44   | Gligar             |  5.962% |
     | 45   | Galvantula         |  5.943% |
     | 46   | Vaporeon           |  5.764% |
     | 47   | Nidoking           |  5.760% |
     | 48   | Cobalion           |  5.489% |
     | 49   | Sceptile           |  5.397% |
     | 50   | Ampharos           |  5.055% |
     | 51   | Espeon             |  5.021% |
     | 52   | Umbreon            |  4.971% |
     | 53   | Dragalge           |  4.793% |
     | 54   | Porygon-Z          |  4.787% |
     | 55   | Toxicroak          |  4.666% |
     | 56   | Abomasnow          |  4.421% |
     | 57   | Shaymin            |  4.340% |
     | 58   | Honchkrow          |  4.277% |
     | 59   | Goodra             |  4.114% |
     | 60   | Reuniclus          |  4.107% |
     | 61   | Cloyster           |  3.968% |
     | 62   | Milotic            |  3.722% |
     | 63   | Absol              |  3.720% |
     | 64   | Slowking           |  3.643% |
     | 65   | Haxorus            |  3.616% |
     | 66   | Trevenant          |  2.429% |
     | 67   | Alomomola          |  2.378% |
     | 68   | Bronzong           |  2.304% |
     | 69   | Rotom-Mow          |  1.919% |
     | 70   | Yanmega            |  1.907% |
     | 71   | Kyurem             |  1.861% |
     | 72   | Tyrantrum          |  1.853% |
     | 73   | Meloetta           |  1.787% |
     | 74   | Scrafty            |  1.578% |
     | 75   | Tornadus           |  1.566% |
     | 76   | Amoonguss          |  1.519% |
     | 77   | Jolteon            |  1.512% |
     | 78   | Flygon             |  1.487% |
     | 79   | Shuckle            |  1.424% |
     | 80   | Kingdra            |  1.336% |
     | 81   | Magneton           |  1.330% |
     | 82   | Houndoom           |  1.312% |
     | 83   | Froslass           |  1.283% |
     | 84   | Seismitoad         |  1.252% |
     | 85   | Tangrowth          |  1.249% |
     | 86   | Weezing            |  1.213% |
     | 87   | Jellicent          |  1.144% |
     | 88   | Gallade            |  1.090% |
     | 89   | Hitmontop          |  1.038% |
     | 90   | Rhyperior          |  1.017% |
     | 91   | Quagsire           |  1.009% |
     | 92   | Granbull           |  0.982% |
     | 93   | Zoroark            |  0.961% |
     | 94   | Noivern            |  0.934% |
     | 95   | Cofagrigus         |  0.911% |
     | 96   | Banette            |  0.896% |
     | 97   | Uxie               |  0.840% |
     | 98   | Aromatisse         |  0.833% |
     | 99   | Hitmonlee          |  0.802% |
     | 100  | Dugtrio            |  0.799% |
     | 101  | Pangoro            |  0.798% |
     | 102  | Alakazam           |  0.741% |
     | 103  | Qwilfish           |  0.696% |
     | 104  | Ambipom            |  0.673% |
     | 105  | Escavalier         |  0.657% |
     | 106  | Steelix            |  0.611% |
     | 107  | Eelektross         |  0.591% |
     | 108  | Gastrodon          |  0.575% |
     | 109  | Moltres            |  0.552% |
     | 110  | Registeel          |  0.538% |
     | 111  | Virizion           |  0.471% |
     | 112  | Xatu               |  0.468% |
     | 113  | Shedinja           |  0.437% |
     | 114  | Drifblim           |  0.432% |
     | 115  | Glalie             |  0.379% |
     | 116  | Exploud            |  0.362% |
     | 117  | Camerupt           |  0.357% |
     | 118  | Braviary           |  0.350% |
     | 119  | Cacturne           |  0.344% |
     | 120  | Dusclops           |  0.341% |
     | 121  | Cinccino           |  0.328% |
     | 122  | Golbat             |  0.328% |
     | 123  | Drapion            |  0.327% |
     | 124  | Audino             |  0.317% |
     | 125  | Ditto              |  0.315% |
     | 126  | Mismagius          |  0.312% |
     | 127  | Druddigon          |  0.307% |
     | 128  | Hippowdon          |  0.294% |
     | 129  | Fletchinder        |  0.286% |
     | 130  | Spiritomb          |  0.283% |
     | 131  | Typhlosion         |  0.283% |
     | 132  | Durant             |  0.276% |
     | 133  | Malamar            |  0.274% |
     | 134  | Sigilyph           |  0.266% |
     | 135  | Delphox            |  0.261% |
     | 136  | Ludicolo           |  0.242% |
     | 137  | Hitmonchan         |  0.231% |
     | 138  | Accelgor           |  0.226% |
     | 139  | Liepard            |  0.222% |
     | 140  | Ferroseed          |  0.216% |
     | 141  | Omastar            |  0.214% |
     | 142  | Shiftry            |  0.212% |
     | 143  | Gorebyss           |  0.210% |
     | 144  | Lilligant          |  0.209% |
     | 145  | Togetic            |  0.203% |
     | 146  | Gourgeist-Super    |  0.199% |
     | 147  | Miltank            |  0.196% |
     | 148  | Kabutops           |  0.191% |
     | 149  | Medicham           |  0.183% |
     | 150  | Claydol            |  0.177% |
     | 151  | Scyther            |  0.173% |
     | 152  | Regirock           |  0.172% |
     | 153  | Clawitzer          |  0.167% |
     | 154  | Kecleon            |  0.165% |
     | 155  | Ninjask            |  0.164% |
     | 156  | Electivire         |  0.160% |
     | 157  | Barbaracle         |  0.160% |
     | 158  | Cradily            |  0.159% |
     | 159  | Muk                |  0.159% |
     | 160  | Poliwrath          |  0.151% |
     | 161  | Emboar             |  0.148% |
     | 162  | Leafeon            |  0.144% |
     | 163  | Combusken          |  0.142% |
     | 164  | Stoutland          |  0.137% |
     | 165  | Zangoose           |  0.131% |
     | 166  | Torkoal            |  0.129% |
     | 167  | Hariyama           |  0.123% |
     | 168  | Archeops           |  0.120% |
     | 169  | Victreebel         |  0.119% |
     | 170  | Flareon            |  0.117% |
     | 171  | Vivillon           |  0.117% |
     | 172  | Volbeat            |  0.116% |
     | 173  | Skuntank           |  0.112% |
     | 174  | Meowstic           |  0.109% |
     | 175  | Lapras             |  0.106% |
     | 176  | Swellow            |  0.106% |
     | 177  | Golurk             |  0.105% |
     | 178  | Slaking            |  0.105% |
     + ---- + ------------------ + ------- + 
    

    RU (open)
    Code:
    Combined usage for RU
     + ---- + ------------------ + ------- + 
     | Rank | Pokemon            | Percent | 
     + ---- + ------------------ + ------- + 
     | 1    | Noivern            | 25.453% |
     | 2    | Cobalion           | 22.239% |
     | 3    | Scrafty            | 21.834% |
     | 4    | Steelix            | 19.823% |
     | 5    | Flygon             | 18.721% |
     | 6    | Reuniclus          | 15.321% |
     | 7    | Meloetta           | 14.280% |
     | 8    | Glalie             | 13.941% |
     | 9    | Jellicent          | 13.366% |
     | 10   | Aromatisse         | 13.314% |
     | 11   | Jolteon            | 13.008% |
     | 12   | Tyrantrum          | 12.918% |
     | 13   | Alomomola          | 11.828% |
     | 14   | Delphox            | 11.619% |
     | 15   | Hitmonlee          | 11.441% |
     | 16   | Amoonguss          | 10.999% |
     | 17   | Tangrowth          |  9.671% |
     | 18   | Emboar             |  9.610% |
     | 19   | Seismitoad         |  9.518% |
     | 20   | Drapion            |  9.232% |
     | 21   | Rhyperior          |  9.018% |
     | 22   | Bronzong           |  8.513% |
     | 23   | Rotom-Mow          |  8.468% |
     | 24   | Houndoom           |  8.461% |
     | 25   | Clawitzer          |  8.310% |
     | 26   | Escavalier         |  8.157% |
     | 27   | Medicham           |  8.042% |
     | 28   | Camerupt           |  8.001% |
     | 29   | Hitmontop          |  7.979% |
     | 30   | Golbat             |  7.921% |
     | 31   | Qwilfish           |  7.830% |
     | 32   | Spiritomb          |  7.671% |
     | 33   | Accelgor           |  7.670% |
     | 34   | Banette            |  7.304% |
     | 35   | Durant             |  6.990% |
     | 36   | Exploud            |  6.499% |
     | 37   | Registeel          |  6.449% |
     | 38   | Togetic            |  6.315% |
     | 39   | Eelektross         |  6.276% |
     | 40   | Cofagrigus         |  6.023% |
     | 41   | Kingdra            |  5.931% |
     | 42   | Virizion           |  5.851% |
     | 43   | Ambipom            |  5.765% |
     | 44   | Braviary           |  5.392% |
     | 45   | Druddigon          |  5.119% |
     | 46   | Sigilyph           |  4.821% |
     | 47   | Dugtrio            |  4.594% |
     | 48   | Shiftry            |  4.454% |
     | 49   | Audino             |  4.391% |
     | 50   | Gastrodon          |  4.355% |
     | 51   | Cinccino           |  4.170% |
     | 52   | Uxie               |  4.154% |
     | 53   | Omastar            |  4.098% |
     | 54   | Sneasel            |  3.387% |
     | 55   | Typhlosion         |  3.312% |
     | 56   | Kabutops           |  3.159% |
     | 57   | Skuntank           |  3.085% |
     | 58   | Quagsire           |  2.996% |
     | 59   | Fletchinder        |  2.684% |
     | 60   | Liepard            |  2.607% |
     | 61   | Hitmonchan         |  2.368% |
     | 62   | Granbull           |  2.219% |
     | 63   | Magneton           |  2.140% |
     | 64   | Gurdurr            |  2.024% |
     | 65   | Ludicolo           |  1.769% |
     | 66   | Weezing            |  1.736% |
     | 67   | Leavanny           |  1.605% |
     | 68   | Cradily            |  1.562% |
     | 69   | Xatu               |  1.543% |
     | 70   | Gallade            |  1.500% |
     | 71   | Mismagius          |  1.468% |
     | 72   | Piloswine          |  1.417% |
     | 73   | Archeops           |  1.368% |
     | 74   | Gorebyss           |  1.301% |
     | 75   | Claydol            |  1.235% |
     | 76   | Sawk               |  1.201% |
     | 77   | Pelipper           |  1.199% |
     | 78   | Regirock           |  1.168% |
     | 79   | Lanturn            |  1.147% |
     | 80   | Mesprit            |  1.119% |
     | 81   | Sandslash          |  1.093% |
     | 82   | Combusken          |  1.010% |
     | 83   | Vivillon           |  0.993% |
     | 84   | Swellow            |  0.980% |
     | 85   | Torterra           |  0.944% |
     | 86   | Ferroseed          |  0.938% |
     | 87   | Clefairy           |  0.933% |
     | 88   | Exeggutor          |  0.908% |
     | 89   | Garbodor           |  0.844% |
     | 90   | Doublade           |  0.801% |
     | 91   | Mantine            |  0.790% |
     | 92   | Golurk             |  0.789% |
     | 93   | Pinsir             |  0.775% |
     | 94   | Magmortar          |  0.769% |
     | 95   | Malamar            |  0.743% |
     | 96   | Kecleon            |  0.727% |
     | 97   | Victreebel         |  0.724% |
     | 98   | Cryogonal          |  0.692% |
     | 99   | Lilligant          |  0.688% |
     | 100  | Slowking           |  0.684% |
     | 101  | Torkoal            |  0.679% |
     | 102  | Pyroar             |  0.647% |
     | 103  | Cresselia          |  0.635% |
     | 104  | Scyther            |  0.629% |
     | 105  | Lapras             |  0.617% |
     | 106  | Roselia            |  0.608% |
     | 107  | Abomasnow          |  0.601% |
     | 108  | Miltank            |  0.594% |
     | 109  | Electivire         |  0.571% |
     | 110  | Samurott           |  0.514% |
     | 111  | Rotom-Frost        |  0.513% |
     | 112  | Gourgeist-Super    |  0.490% |
     | 113  | Haunter            |  0.452% |
     | 114  | Crustle            |  0.449% |
     | 115  | Hariyama           |  0.445% |
     | 116  | Rotom-Fan          |  0.426% |
     | 117  | Whimsicott         |  0.423% |
     | 118  | Mawile             |  0.415% |
     | 119  | Kricketune         |  0.411% |
     | 120  | Cacturne           |  0.402% |
     | 121  | Vileplume          |  0.393% |
     | 122  | Linoone            |  0.390% |
     | 123  | Mr. Mime           |  0.385% |
     | 124  | Poliwrath          |  0.350% |
     | 125  | Klinklang          |  0.348% |
     | 126  | Aurorus            |  0.347% |
     | 127  | Rotom              |  0.337% |
     | 128  | Kadabra            |  0.318% |
     | 129  | Tauros             |  0.314% |
     | 130  | Masquerain         |  0.300% |
     | 131  | Slurpuff           |  0.297% |
     | 132  | Regice             |  0.292% |
     | 133  | Heliolisk          |  0.292% |
     | 134  | Arbok              |  0.281% |
     | 135  | Jynx               |  0.280% |
     | 136  | Primeape           |  0.279% |
     | 137  | Musharna           |  0.279% |
     | 138  | Zangoose           |  0.276% |
     | 139  | Muk                |  0.264% |
     | 140  | Meowstic           |  0.256% |
     | 141  | Volbeat            |  0.251% |
     | 142  | Barbaracle         |  0.246% |
     | 143  | Bouffalant         |  0.245% |
     | 144  | Lickilicky         |  0.243% |
     | 145  | Golem              |  0.225% |
     | 146  | Throh              |  0.221% |
     | 147  | Slaking            |  0.218% |
     | 148  | Ariados            |  0.203% |
     | 149  | Drifblim           |  0.203% |
     | 150  | Ursaring           |  0.201% |
     | 151  | Ninjask            |  0.196% |
     | 152  | Ditto              |  0.186% |
     | 153  | Chatot             |  0.185% |
     | 154  | Dusclops           |  0.184% |
     | 155  | Articuno           |  0.176% |
     | 156  | Prinplup           |  0.174% |
     | 157  | Dusknoir           |  0.166% |
     | 158  | Carracosta         |  0.157% |
     | 159  | Leafeon            |  0.156% |
     | 160  | Beheeyem           |  0.155% |
     | 161  | Probopass          |  0.155% |
     | 162  | Rhydon             |  0.155% |
     | 163  | Armaldo            |  0.152% |
     | 164  | Cottonee           |  0.146% |
     | 165  | Murkrow            |  0.146% |
     | 166  | Kangaskhan         |  0.144% |
     | 167  | Carbink            |  0.134% |
     | 168  | Avalugg            |  0.132% |
     | 169  | Raichu             |  0.131% |
     | 170  | Servine            |  0.129% |
     | 171  | Golduck            |  0.125% |
     | 172  | Pawniard           |  0.118% |
     | 173  | Hippopotas         |  0.117% |
     | 174  | Flareon            |  0.113% |
     | 175  | Floatzel           |  0.111% |
     | 176  | Meganium           |  0.108% |
     | 177  | Rapidash           |  0.108% |
     | 178  | Marowak            |  0.107% |
     | 179  | Glaceon            |  0.106% |
     | 180  | Walrein            |  0.103% |
     + ---- + ------------------ + ------- + 
    

    NU (open)
    Code:
    Combined usage for NU
     + ---- + ------------------ + ------- + 
     | Rank | Pokemon            | Percent | 
     + ---- + ------------------ + ------- + 
     | 1    | Magneton           | 25.495% |
     | 2    | Lanturn            | 15.904% |
     | 3    | Mesprit            | 14.081% |
     | 4    | Uxie               | 13.784% |
     | 5    | Hariyama           | 13.753% |
     | 6    | Archeops           | 12.822% |
     | 7    | Magmortar          | 12.651% |
     | 8    | Fletchinder        | 12.583% |
     | 9    | Kabutops           | 12.554% |
     | 10   | Sneasel            | 12.282% |
     | 11   | Xatu               | 12.096% |
     | 12   | Garbodor           | 11.963% |
     | 13   | Pyroar             | 11.918% |
     | 14   | Audino             | 11.420% |
     | 15   | Quagsire           | 11.154% |
     | 16   | Sawk               | 10.662% |
     | 17   | Malamar            | 10.419% |
     | 18   | Mismagius          | 10.095% |
     | 19   | Claydol            |  9.555% |
     | 20   | Sandslash          |  9.464% |
     | 21   | Vileplume          |  9.142% |
     | 22   | Weezing            |  8.884% |
     | 23   | Gurdurr            |  8.843% |
     | 24   | Scyther            |  8.780% |
     | 25   | Golurk             |  8.235% |
     | 26   | Liepard            |  8.126% |
     | 27   | Kangaskhan         |  7.990% |
     | 28   | Tauros             |  7.717% |
     | 29   | Rhydon             |  7.315% |
     | 30   | Ferroseed          |  7.159% |
     | 31   | Pinsir             |  6.997% |
     | 32   | Haunter            |  6.871% |
     | 33   | Cacturne           |  6.693% |
     | 34   | Samurott           |  6.527% |
     | 35   | Lilligant          |  6.515% |
     | 36   | Swellow            |  6.509% |
     | 37   | Ludicolo           |  6.284% |
     | 38   | Electivire         |  6.127% |
     | 39   | Rotom              |  6.075% |
     | 40   | Miltank            |  5.992% |
     | 41   | Prinplup           |  5.571% |
     | 42   | Mantine            |  5.487% |
     | 43   | Cradily            |  5.288% |
     | 44   | Zangoose           |  5.192% |
     | 45   | Cryogonal          |  5.171% |
     | 46   | Muk                |  5.166% |
     | 47   | Regirock           |  5.136% |
     | 48   | Granbull           |  5.106% |
     | 49   | Kecleon            |  4.888% |
     | 50   | Mawile             |  4.888% |
     | 51   | Vivillon           |  4.873% |
     | 52   | Primeape           |  4.687% |
     | 53   | Jynx               |  4.533% |
     | 54   | Exeggutor          |  4.482% |
     | 55   | Musharna           |  4.384% |
     | 56   | Gorebyss           |  4.255% |
     | 57   | Torterra           |  4.153% |
     | 58   | Klinklang          |  4.095% |
     | 59   | Aurorus            |  4.090% |
     | 60   | Crustle            |  3.833% |
     | 61   | Stunfisk           |  3.331% |
     | 62   | Rotom-Fan          |  3.122% |
     | 63   | Bouffalant         |  2.836% |
     | 64   | Togetic            |  2.701% |
     | 65   | Gourgeist-Super    |  2.655% |
     | 66   | Poliwrath          |  2.314% |
     | 67   | Kadabra            |  2.246% |
     | 68   | Tangela            |  1.967% |
     | 69   | Probopass          |  1.898% |
     | 70   | Carracosta         |  1.777% |
     | 71   | Floatzel           |  1.770% |
     | 72   | Throh              |  1.668% |
     | 73   | Pawniard           |  1.633% |
     | 74   | Flareon            |  1.597% |
     | 75   | Roselia            |  1.509% |
     | 76   | Pelipper           |  1.507% |
     | 77   | Ninetales          |  1.487% |
     | 78   | Chatot             |  1.398% |
     | 79   | Piloswine          |  1.372% |
     | 80   | Rapidash           |  1.365% |
     | 81   | Torkoal            |  1.360% |
     | 82   | Raichu             |  1.355% |
     | 83   | Dusclops           |  1.263% |
     | 84   | Barbaracle         |  1.169% |
     | 85   | Lapras             |  1.138% |
     | 86   | Leavanny           |  1.128% |
     | 87   | Basculin           |  1.062% |
     | 88   | Seismitoad         |  1.023% |
     | 89   | Golem              |  1.013% |
     | 90   | Armaldo            |  0.936% |
     | 91   | Huntail            |  0.904% |
     | 92   | Dusknoir           |  0.899% |
     | 93   | Marowak            |  0.894% |
     | 94   | Ursaring           |  0.879% |
     | 95   | Leafeon            |  0.867% |
     | 96   | Linoone            |  0.858% |
     | 97   | Ditto              |  0.855% |
     | 98   | Avalugg            |  0.830% |
     | 99   | Ninjask            |  0.805% |
     | 100  | Lickilicky         |  0.765% |
     | 101  | Articuno           |  0.764% |
     | 102  | Gogoat             |  0.750% |
     | 103  | Servine            |  0.739% |
     | 104  | Wartortle          |  0.739% |
     | 105  | Jumpluff           |  0.733% |
     | 106  | Rampardos          |  0.730% |
     | 107  | Zebstrika          |  0.727% |
     | 108  | Drifblim           |  0.724% |
     | 109  | Electrode          |  0.697% |
     | 110  | Sawsbuck           |  0.688% |
     | 111  | Slaking            |  0.674% |
     | 112  | Stoutland          |  0.673% |
     | 113  | Frogadier          |  0.669% |
     | 114  | Glaceon            |  0.656% |
     | 115  | Arbok              |  0.656% |
     | 116  | Monferno           |  0.653% |
     | 117  | Meowstic           |  0.647% |
     | 118  | Victreebel         |  0.643% |
     | 119  | Bastiodon          |  0.632% |
     | 120  | Regice             |  0.611% |
     | 121  | Pikachu            |  0.605% |
     | 122  | Mr. Mime           |  0.599% |
     | 123  | Carbink            |  0.575% |
     | 124  | Swanna             |  0.561% |
     | 125  | Ariados            |  0.556% |
     | 126  | Gourgeist-Small    |  0.540% |
     | 127  | Persian            |  0.523% |
     | 128  | Swoobat            |  0.506% |
     | 129  | Rotom-Frost        |  0.505% |
     | 130  | Beheeyem           |  0.479% |
     | 131  | Meganium           |  0.477% |
     | 132  | Luxray             |  0.451% |
     | 133  | Noctowl            |  0.437% |
     | 134  | Hippopotas         |  0.418% |
     | 135  | Kingler            |  0.418% |
     | 136  | Zweilous           |  0.418% |
     | 137  | Gabite             |  0.406% |
     | 138  | Electabuzz         |  0.401% |
     | 139  | Emolga             |  0.400% |
     | 140  | Golduck            |  0.387% |
     | 141  | Gigalith           |  0.377% |
     | 142  | Mightyena          |  0.375% |
     | 143  | Murkrow            |  0.372% |
     | 144  | Swalot             |  0.368% |
     | 145  | Volbeat            |  0.367% |
     | 146  | Magmar             |  0.361% |
     | 147  | Misdreavus         |  0.361% |
     | 148  | Grumpig            |  0.360% |
     | 149  | Dragonair          |  0.356% |
     | 150  | Lumineon           |  0.354% |
     | 151  | Shedinja           |  0.333% |
     | 152  | Dodrio             |  0.329% |
     | 153  | Regigigas          |  0.327% |
     | 154  | Sliggoo            |  0.314% |
     | 155  | Clefairy           |  0.312% |
     | 156  | Yanma              |  0.297% |
     | 157  | Simipour           |  0.280% |
     | 158  | Machoke            |  0.277% |
     | 159  | Raticate           |  0.266% |
     | 160  | Dedenne            |  0.250% |
     | 161  | Simisear           |  0.250% |
     | 162  | Lairon             |  0.249% |
     | 163  | Dewgong            |  0.247% |
     | 164  | Pineco             |  0.242% |
     | 165  | Vibrava            |  0.241% |
     | 166  | Purugly            |  0.238% |
     | 167  | Relicanth          |  0.237% |
     | 168  | Furfrou            |  0.234% |
     | 169  | Politoed           |  0.221% |
     | 170  | Lunatone           |  0.217% |
     | 171  | Heatmor            |  0.216% |
     | 172  | Vullaby            |  0.216% |
     | 173  | Masquerain         |  0.215% |
     | 174  | Butterfree         |  0.209% |
     | 175  | Wormadam-Trash     |  0.208% |
     | 176  | Walrein            |  0.204% |
     | 177  | Fraxure            |  0.201% |
     | 178  | Seviper            |  0.197% |
     | 179  | Tropius            |  0.195% |
     | 180  | Metang             |  0.188% |
     | 181  | Beartic            |  0.177% |
     | 182  | Whiscash           |  0.171% |
     | 183  | Lampent            |  0.170% |
     | 184  | Magcargo           |  0.170% |
     | 185  | Seaking            |  0.167% |
     | 186  | Marshtomp          |  0.166% |
     | 187  | Gourgeist          |  0.164% |
     | 188  | Octillery          |  0.164% |
     | 189  | Venipede           |  0.162% |
     | 190  | Carvanha           |  0.159% |
     | 191  | Kricketune         |  0.154% |
     | 192  | Duosion            |  0.154% |
     | 193  | Maractus           |  0.153% |
     | 194  | Solrock            |  0.151% |
     | 195  | Stantler           |  0.146% |
     | 196  | Wailord            |  0.144% |
     | 197  | Cottonee           |  0.144% |
     | 198  | Girafarig          |  0.142% |
     | 199  | Croconaw           |  0.141% |
     | 200  | Illumise           |  0.140% |
     | 201  | Whirlipede         |  0.135% |
     | 202  | Wigglytuff         |  0.135% |
     | 203  | Simisage           |  0.129% |
     | 204  | Vanilluxe          |  0.127% |
     | 205  | Vigoroth           |  0.116% |
     | 206  | Diglett            |  0.116% |
     | 207  | Delibird           |  0.116% |
     | 208  | Quilladin          |  0.114% |
     | 209  | Shelgon            |  0.113% |
     | 210  | Porygon            |  0.112% |
     | 211  | Unfezant           |  0.111% |
     | 212  | Sudowoodo          |  0.110% |
     | 213  | Tentacool          |  0.110% |
     | 214  | Bunnelby           |  0.110% |
     | 215  | Spinda             |  0.109% |
     | 216  | Fearow             |  0.109% |
     | 217  | Torchic            |  0.100% |
     + ---- + ------------------ + ------- + 
    


    fleggumfl, so those are the RU suspect test 1630 stats. But as you can see from the combined stats above, Hitmonchan is still above the quick-drop cutoff by a significant margin.
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  24. Kingler12345

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    tbh there's some errors/lag while implementing teambuilder stuff a lot of the time (also old gens don't have this implemented at all); I see where the whole teambuilder argument comes from for Gallade but I really don't see the actual reason here.
  25. Anty

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    doesnt togetic quick rise to ru?
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