It's difficult to say my team is all that outdated. The fact I've actually changed some things for the first time in years, not significantly but I've altered movesets, says something to the fact that some changes were required. That said, it's not like the metagame has changed all that much since Advance generation released. The only notable changes are that Pursuit and Rapid Spin are actually used now, no doubt a carry-over from new-age players, but that doesn't require any significant adjustments for which to accomodate. All it really means is that I have to tread a little more carefully around T-Tar. :/ Umbreon yeah, it's a do-nothing. Oh, it Charms shit. Oh, it can get off a Mean Look-BP 5% of the time if I use Zap Cannon on it... but then I can't even use Charm to stuff set-up pokémon, which is the only consistent use it has. I'm glad we agree here but your like and dislike for some of these do-nothings confuses me. :P Besides, VIL wasn't even using Skarmory. (Forretress, yo! Who uses Spikes and Rapid Spin AKA is much more useful than Skarm overall.) I'm not going to further elaborate on the situation but it was good play and a little luck on his part. Oh well, you can't win 'em all. "Skarmbliss," or Blissey in general, doesn't tend to be a problem. My only team member who is completely unable to break it is... my own Blissey. Well, whoop-de-doo. :happybrain: It's not like Miltank is any more able to break them either but who cares about beating "bad" pokémon anyway? ;/ Now Dragonite... there's a legitimately bad pokémon. It's not that great of a mixed attacker because it doesn't have a strong STAB move to use in the first place. Nidoking isn't all that dangerous even with its STAB Earthquake, which is a lot more scary than anything Dragonite can muster, and it saw absolutely no use until NYPC gave it Lovely Kiss. Dragonite isn't worth using and nobody uses it either. Stop mentioning it. Don't suggest that I use it. Don't suggest that anyone else use it either. With regard to your silly impromptu team there... Stop trolling, yo. :( Marowak Fire Blast does only ~47% to Skarmory on average (no chance to 2HKO) and OHKOs Forretress less than 30% of the time (factoring in accuracy). Why would I ever want that over Swords Dance? And what's with having Rhydon on the same team? Redundancy breeds unnecessary weakness. Zap Cannon can stick to Forretress and Umbreon, who otherwise have no offense anyway and just want plain maximize their chances to paralyze. Why not use Body Slam instead on Rhydon? Strangely, you did do that with Dragonite, who also learns Zap Cannon (and T-Wave!) and even has much higher Special Attack. Dragonite also still sucks and man does this team get swept by Starmie. Snorlax maybe, Marowak not so much. It loses when it switches into Swords Dance, the only bonus is that it can't get smacked by Earthquake switching in like Suicune. I'd still rather have the Water-types because they can kill it from much higher health, where chipping down Marowak is fairly easy due to its fragility (read: lack of Leftovers) and threatening to kill it is typically more effective than trying to stall it. Of course, one might argue that being the best answer to [most] Snorlax is good enough to be worth using... Maybe. I'd rather just use the second tier of answers, stuff like Gengar and Tyranitar, who actually do other things. Just to hit the other line as well (and expand on my previous statement), Marowak beats Skarmory if it Swords Dances as Skarm switches in. Trying to Whirlwind there just opens you up to death by flinch while dealing no damage to Marowak even if you succeed. Any player will take that no-risk chance all day until they get the crit/flinch necessary to kill or force Rest and catch it sleeping next time. Even in a straight 1v1 scenario, which is silly to discuss because that's not how Pokémon is played anyway, Marowak's got about a 50/50 shot because Drill Peck 5HKOs on average and Marowak can 4HKO. Well yeah, it matters if I don't have a pseudohazer on my team... As I've said, I don't want do-nothings on my team and all the best pure phazers don't do anything else.