Serious Teacher loses appeal to return to teaching because of history in pornography

[Nyara]

I'll just put another point of view to the problem; of course, it's just my opinion.

I stopped to going to the school at the age of 9, so, I don't have any experience about classrooms at all (well, I still do have some), but I had a lot of experience teaching kids of 2-14 ages diferents things about the life, moral, and stuff, and even when they will find anything to laugh and stop hearing, if you talk with the correct words, or just stop to taking care of their try, they just stop, the drama ends after some months, even new students enter, and everything comes to normal again, but everyone should have learned some things on the process (like any drama does).

Drama happens, not by just the thread of "OH, NOES, MY TEACHER WAS A PORN STAR, LET'S WATCH IT'S VIDEOS!", but by anything. The teacher doesn't have an arm? "OH, WOW, THE TEACHER DOESN'T A ARM, LET'S LAUGH AT HIM'S FACE, HA, HA, HA, HA,", later the parents call to the school to tell them fire the "unarmed teacher because he's not a good influence, because we're trying to teach to your kids to being new Hittlers", and a huge effect of snowball happens, everyone start to talking about it, and finally; drama happens, the school doesn't wants drama, so, just do the easier for them, and justice usually doesn't work if you don't have enough money for a good attorney.

But sometimes, drama doesn't happens because sometimes something stop the snowball effect, this time the snowball effect could be perfectly stopped by the other teachers, but they wanted to add more snow to it on it's place, so, if we look about "professional that are interfering about the efficiency of the school", then the people that should get fire should be them, not the teacher that never showed it's past.

Even if you don't stop the snowball effect, like any snowball it will crash against something, or a new and huge snowball will appaer soon or later, and everyone will start to look at the new snowball. Like any drama, it stops by just the means of time, on few months the thread will be not new anymore, and it will be just talked as a myth of the school, and end in that. The difference there is the fact that some are watching it's videos on redtube or whatever? lol, Kids watchs porno anyway, and the ones that doesn't, they will not watch the Teacher's video. Not even talking about that on few years, 1-2, the topic will be totally forgotten.

She can't do it's job? No, she can, the kids who wants to hear her will hear her, the ones that doesn't want hear will NOT hear her even if she be a goddess, yes, it produces some distraction, maybe for some days, or some weeks, and it ends, you can try to do discipline and teach to some students about moral, rights and stuff, and you'll be succesful on some, on some others not. At the end, yes, her's efficency will be reduced a bit for few months or at most 1 year, but there're over ther a lot of teachers who are totally mediocre and no students care about what they say, they should be get fire before than she.

But hey, I'm not hearing the schools are starting to fire it's useless teachers, so, I don't think they do have any valid reason to fire her apart from the drama of the parents, and even then, nobody should care about what the parents are saying if what they are saying have no sense.

By justice reasons, she should not be fired. By practical effects, she should be fired along all the useless teachers of the school, starting with the ones that started to spread it's video, or nobody should be fired if the school is not intending to "increase it's quality standar".

 

[Xephyr]

^ While some parts were a little hard to understand (good job overall by the way...for a non-native speaker you're doing well with English. I know it's a hard language to learn...keep it up!), your overall point was very good and I think you summed up the situation very well and I agree with you completely.

 

[Fishy]

i think this topic also speaks a lot about how your children are not entirely meant to learn how to be grown adults by going to school - schools are meant to educate and enrich a student's mind, but a school does not churn out functioning adults in a 8AM-3PM day, or whatever the standard is lately. i believe that a lot of parents in this modern day try and relinquish a lot of their responsibilities as soon as they drop their children off at school, and believe that after grades 1-8, even 9-12, their children should be perfectly molded examples of society, and sometimes stand bewildered if such is not the case.

i agree with humbug, in that a lot of us may simply take our present-age minds and imagine/remember how we might have reacted to such a situation when we were in middle school again, and find ourselves a little biased. so, please take my own anecdotal evidence with as many grains of salt as you like!

when i was 11, maybe 12, i was somewhat precocious when it came to the internet. i spent hours upon hours tapped into my dial up connection, and had no problem sifting through the internet, discovering all its wonders and terrors alike, including pornography. it wasn't that after i discovered such a thing i became hopelessly intrigued or obsessed, or had any intense reaction at all - it was just something else to discover, and learn about. chat rooms, automated bots that would entice you into giving your ASL, pop-up ads about women in your neighborhood that want to get to know you - how charming!

however, i also wasn't a fucking idiot. around this age i even found tangible porn videos behind the headboard of my father's bed. i didn't think he was disgusting or immoral for owning these videos, rather that was just something "adults probably do" and that i had no business getting all worked up over it. if adults wanted to look at videos of naked people doing naked things - that was CLEARLY their business, and i felt no need to even gossip about such a discovery with my classmates. fearing embarrassment? nah, just sincerely did not care.

though i'm sure i could stroll for miles down preteen/teenage memory lane, my point is simple: kids in middle school are not babies. they are hardly children anymore. they are teenage, pubescent, maturing young adults, and the longer you treat them as your bouncing baby boys and girls, the longer they will retain such a mentality in their every day lives. i'm curious that while most people have been adamant about how middle school is absolutely not the place that pornography should ever be discussed as a topic, ever, no one has deemed a timeline when this sort of discussion is okay. i think the worst thing you can do as a parent is constantly shield your children from every little detail of life that is not sunshine and rainbows. even if a particular topic may seem inappropriate now, there is zero harm in educating your child about it, instead of letting them instead "fear" a subject or somehow think that the subject is something to avoid, as if toxic to their minds.

i think this thread is very tired by now, but seriously. the issue here is not a woman starring in pornography, and a school board feeling that such a background is in-conducive to a proper learning environment. the issue is (our?) society believing that education is restricted to only the most innocent and cherished of subjects. ignorance is bliss after all, but if you're not going to allow your children a broader horizon of learning, they're going to fucking learn all about it later anyway.

 

[WaterBomb]

Chou, I understand completely your sentiments and the argument you are trying to make. I just disagree with it, that's all. I respect your knowledge and research, as well as your opinion on the matter. Please don't misunderstand bro, I do get where you're coming from.

I actually like the discussion we've had in here so far. It's mostly stayed respectful and non-hostile, and I'm getting a great feel for what the other side has to say. After all, you can't properly argue your own beliefs until you understand the opponent's, right?

Really, the simple point I've been trying to make is that 12 year old kids are not nearly as inherently immature as we think they are. They are absolutely still developing in the mind and body, but their capacity for behavior is much greater than we give them credit for. Every single one of these children CAN be taught how to act, and they are capable of doing so all the time. I was a substitute teacher for 2 years, including some long term assignments, and I taught Middle School classes in all subjects quite frequently. I'm well aware of what these children are capable of, and what they can control and what they can't.

 

[Kromlech]

Personally, I don't blame the admins, the kids, or Halas.

I blame the coworkers 100%. If they had her back this wouldn't even be a story. Maybe I'm wrong but reading between the lines you can see that there was some infighting going on, otherwise they would have defended her. Why? I don't know, I wasn't there. There still would have been some soccer mom outcry, sure, but this wouldn't be a nationwide story by any means.

To mix it it with the posts above, the students wouldn't have been out of line (no more than they would have been anyway), if the entire staff downplayed it like it wasn't a big thing.

Can someone find me anything on this story that was written like ANY of the coworkers were on her side? I sure as fuck can't.

 

[frogoholic101]

Personally, I don't blame the admins, the kids, or Halas.

I blame the coworkers 100%. If they had her back this wouldn't even be a story. Maybe I'm wrong but reading between the lines you can see that there was some infighting going on, otherwise they would have defended her. Why? I don't know, I wasn't there. There still would have been some soccer mom outcry, sure, but this wouldn't be a nationwide story by any means.

To mix it it with the posts above, the students wouldn't have been out of line (no more than they would have been anyway), if the entire staff downplayed it like it wasn't a big thing.

Can someone find me anything on this story that was written like ANY of the coworkers were on her side? I sure as fuck can't.

Had it all been kept in the dark she wouldn't have suffered; if she's disclosed what she had done to the headmaster/headmistress then the knowledge of the porn could have been contained. The co-workers could have helped, yes, but please don't blame them entirely. It isn't their fault that Halas had worked in the porn industry.

 

[Kromlech]

Had it all been kept in the dark she wouldn't have suffered; if she's disclosed what she had done to the headmaster/headmistress then the knowledge of the porn could have been contained. The co-workers could have helped, yes, but please don't blame them entirely. It isn't their fault that Halas had worked in the porn industry.

#1. I don't know how conservative the Oxnard community is, but if she didn't tell them outright, she had a good reason (blah blah blah society blah).
#2. The articles seem to be written like the teachers wanted her gone (using their cellphones to show the admins, no articles detailing any teacher on her side, etc) for no apparent benefit to themselves. It just sucks to think her adult coworkers ostracized her for no reason, which is why I assume some kind of infighting took place beforehand.
#3. Admins have to appeal to soccermoms, kids I'm not going to cover because there's already a big discussion on them ITT, and Halas herself did nothing illegal, taught just fine up until the kids found out, and there are much worse people in front of a classroom in America right now.

So I don't see any party with any power left but the coworkers, and they didn't seem to help or care. *big shrug*

 

[frogoholic101]

You seem to be missing my point, I'm saying that 100% of the blame does not lie on one party. The board could have handled it better, the co-workers could have handled it better, the kids could have handled it better, and Halas could have handled it better (as others have remarked it is debatable whether a porn actress should go into teaching in the first place). Let's not black-and-white the issues of this, because clearly has a greater depth than 'X is 100% wrong and Y is 100% right'.

 

[capefeather]

Well, it's unfortunate that one side has decided that this thread sucks while the other side sees a reason to continue. This seems to happen a lot when two sides clash; one side just goes full-on cynical. There is something to be said about people "blaming" the kids, the board, parents, whatever. I'm not here to judge people, and neither should anyone else be. So I suppose I'll bring up three points, two of which have been mentioned several times before and maybe I'll try to summarize them in a clearer way.

Oglemi's post highlights precisely the concern that some of us have with the kind of precedent events like this set. Drama can be caused for arbitrary reasons, and most of this thread's defense of the school board's decision centers on the "pragmatic" solution of quelling the drama, which has nothing to do with the reasons for the drama. Surely you guys see the concern that this raises?

The other point is the real experiences brought forward by several users. It's easy to theorize about the nature of middle schoolers, but none of that trumps the actual evidence. There are the REAL ACTUAL accounts of the teacher and her classes from TheValkyries. There are the arguments brought up by people like WaterBomb and Fishy based on their REAL ACTUAL experiences with REAL middle schoolers. Finally, we have a whole bunch of evidence from psychology and other places. Done right, kids can be taught a whole bunch of things, and easily solve problems that adults have a hard time with. 12-year-olds can be taught to write semi-rigorous mathematical proofs! There is so much more to kids than we ever give them credit for, because we stick them in factory-style schools and perpetuate a self-fulfilling prophecy that kids don't like to learn and grow.

And guess what? Porn or no porn, nothing is stopping a horny 13-year-old from undressing a hot female teacher in his mind... short of real deep interest in something else. So "kids will be kids" goes both ways. So what's the difference between "kids will be kids" and "parents will be parents" and "college women who need more money than McDonald's will provide them will be college women who need more money than McDonald's will provide them"? So far, we seem to be unable to distinguish more than two of them at a time. So I am forced to conclude at this time that there actually is no difference.

 

[Kromlech]

You seem to be missing my point, I'm saying that 100% of the blame does not lie on one party. The board could have handled it better, the co-workers could have handled it better, the kids could have handled it better, and Halas could have handled it better (as others have remarked it is debatable whether a porn actress should go into teaching in the first place). Let's not black-and-white the issues of this, because clearly has a greater depth than 'X is 100% wrong and Y is 100% right'.

I've already stated why the other parties involved don't hold blame in my eyes. If you disagree that's cool. I just thought it was odd how this thread and the news barely touched on the coworkers like they were innocent bystanders or something. They were not. That's what I'm thinking.

Ever sit around in a faculty lounge during lunch with no students around? It's the worst place in the world. Gossip, accusations, bitching and moaning, talking behind other people's backs. It can get pretty nasty, and I doubt this one middle school in calif was immune to it. Now add in fuel like in this situation (a taboo thing, a secret, whatever) to a teacher they may have already had qualms with and you get stupid disasters like what happened to Halas.

If true, it makes me ashamed to be in the same profession as these people, so I kinda hope I'm wrong about this.

 

[popemobile]

along the lines of discussion in this thread, here's a story of a teacher who posted semi-nude pics and twitter posts about weed who is getting a lot of support from students

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/01/31/freecrunkbear-carly-mckin_n_2586352.html

 

[makiri]

I guess she's boned.

 

[Coronis]

along the lines of discussion in this thread, here's a story of a teacher who posted semi-nude pics and twitter posts about weed who is getting a lot of support from students

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/01/31/freecrunkbear-carly-mckin_n_2586352.html

Good students.

 

[jrrrrrrr]

You're correct in your assessment that this issue is not "Teacher vs Student" rights. It's actually about the Employee's right to not be terminated from their position without justified cause. Being a former porn actress is not justifiable cause. Neither is general unrest amongst the parents of the area a justifiable cause for termination of employment.

When your job is to teach the children of the parents that you are causing unrest for, it is an easily justifiable cause for termination.

Do you really want a porn star teaching your kids? "Ignore the fact that she was paid to have her defiled naked body passed around on film for you to see at any time, this honorable woman is here to teach you about morals and the civil war!" Get outta here. Is that the person you want to look up to? Is that who you want your kids looking up to? This is one of the few cases where a school administrator got it right, it was completely right for them to fire her. It is simply impossible for her to be taken seriously in an academic context once that information is released. That is one of the known risks of doing porn.

The only person who should be getting sympathy in this situation is her father. What a shame for him. I have no idea what I would do if I saw my daughter in a porn, let alone if the whole world knew about it forever thanks to google.

Hell, even the "hey she used to bang dudes for cash but look at where her life is now" angle could have been used. This is why I cannot buy this excuse for firing her. It's the typical twisting of a potential success story into a tool for judging and punishing others for arbitrary reasons and hiding it under the veil of pragmatism.

Suck dick for money, you can become successful doing it just like your middle school teacher! What a great lesson for kids to learn. What a real success story. I assume you'll be there to encourage your daughter to do porn when she turns 18?

I can't believe what I just read.

 

[Glen]

Do you really want a porn star teaching your kids? "Ignore the fact that she was paid to have her defiled naked body passed around on film for you to see at any time, this honorable woman is here to teach you about morals and the civil war!"

this is completely unfair, and a pretty surprising argument to hear from a gay guy, considering you yourself are considered to be living an immoral life by a part of society with a really antiquated and dangerously limited idea of how human sexuality ought to work

 

[jrrrrrrr]

this is completely unfair, and a pretty surprising argument to hear from a gay guy, considering you yourself are considered to be living an immoral life by a part of society with a really antiquated and dangerously limited idea of how human sexuality ought to work

If I made a video of myself getting banged and sold it for money and then I tried teaching your teenage children, you would be completely right to say "no" to that. It's not about the sex, it's about trying to put someone who makes terrible decisions and has no self-respect in front of kids as a role model. I don't have a child, but I do not want my future daughter (or son) learning that sucking dick for money is a legitimate stepping stone to a career. Combine that with the fact that nobody can take her seriously in class. My support of her firing has nothing to do with sexual morality, it's about the fact that no teenage boy in that school will ever be able to look at her with a straight face again. There's nothing unfair about that, she decided that the money was worth everyone knowing what she'll do for money. She is living with that choice just like I am living with mine.

I ask again- will you be encouraging your daughter to do porn when she turns 18? I hear it's good money!

 

[capefeather]

Do you really want a porn star teaching your kids? "Ignore the fact that she was paid to have her defiled naked body passed around on film for you to see at any time, this honorable woman is here to teach you about morals and the civil war!" Get outta here. Is that the person you want to look up to? Is that who you want your kids looking up to?

So, how is this NOT about morality? I understand that there are some legitimate concerns, which have been talked about repeatedly here, but this is just hatred promotion, plain and simple. It's a slap in the face to everyone who made a bad life choice but moved past it. I guess that only matters if you appear on a TV talk show or you're rich as hell.

Also fyi she was a science teacher...

 

[humbug]

If I made a video of myself getting banged and sold it for money and then I tried teaching your teenage children, you would be completely right to say "no" to that. It's not about the sex, it's about trying to put someone who makes terrible decisions and has no self-respect in front of kids as a role model. I don't have a child, but I do not want my future daughter (or son) learning that sucking dick for money is a legitimate stepping stone to a career. Combine that with the fact that nobody can take her seriously in class. My support of her firing has nothing to do with sexual morality, it's about the fact that no teenage boy in that school will ever be able to look at her with a straight face again. There's nothing unfair about that, she decided that the money was worth everyone knowing what she'll do for money. She is living with that choice just like I am living with mine.

I ask again- will you be encouraging your daughter to do porn when she turns 18? I hear it's good money!

ugh

although i agree losing her job was the only (unfortunate) outcome to this story, posts like these make me embarrassed to agree with you on anything.

being in porn does not make her a terrible person, as your post seems to paint her out to be. you're being completely insensitive towards a woman who has lost her whole career, one that she's presumably spent years working towards, because of this. have you ever made a decision you regretted? of course you have, so should people judge and persecute you for your whole life because of it?

taking the standpoint you are now is simply not conducive to change, which starts with a little empathy.

 

[Fishy]

it's about trying to put someone who makes terrible decisions and has no self-respect in front of kids as a role model. I don't have a child, but I do not want my future daughter (or son) learning that sucking dick for money is a legitimate stepping stone to a career.

i think i mentioned in an earlier post how impartial a person can be to doing sexual acts for money - as impartial as someone can be to cleaning toilets for money, or pulling teeth for money. like it or not, it's an activity you choose to do to earn your pay, and whether or not someone ELSE likes what you're doing seems to be the only time a job is painted as either "real" or "worthy."

i'm not sure how a woman who wants to do whatever the hell she did on camera for money doesn't respect herself - clearly you do not respect her, but unless she was crying and has mascara running down her face in every scene of work she did, maybe a part of why she did it at all was because she actually enjoys being fucked on camera, or fucked in front of any type of audience. deciding to profit from such pleasure hardly equals a lack of self respect.

why isn't sucking dick for money a legitimate stepping stone toward a career? if you can do so and earn enough money to save up so that you can eventually stop doing such activities, and use your hard-earned money (because don't for a second think that pornography is an 'easy' way out, as if it doesn't take any sort of psychological strength and determination to do that for any amount of time, ESPECIALLY if you're smart enough to know that you're ONLY doing it to work toward a bigger, more fulfilling career goal) to achieve your lifetime dreams. maybe you don't want your children doing pornography, and that's perfectly fine. that's your own opinion, and you can raise your children however you like. i would only hope you would raise them to make their own choices, and not condemn others for theirs just because they involve exploring or profiting from their sexuality, which does NOT make them any less human, or any less capable of being functioning educators in society.

the thing that bugs me the most is that everyone is free to explore their sexuality and experiment with it however they like, but as soon as it's publicized or broadcasted to the rest of the world (and by choice!) then that person doesn't respect themselves, or is disgusting, or immoral, or just goddamned terrible and shouldn't be anywhere near a school, let alone right next to a chalk board. should I ever find myself with a daughter or son in middle school and learn that their teacher did porn ten years ago, I wouldn't tell my children that this person is a bad example in any way, nor that they didn't deserve as much respect as their next colleague. I would teach them about freedom of choice, consequences choices can create, and the motivation people harbor to reach their dream goals. no single path is easy unless you're handed everything on a platter.

 

[TheValkyries]

Combine that with the fact that nobody can take her seriously in class. My support of her firing has nothing to do with sexual morality, it's about the fact that no teenage boy in that school will ever be able to look at her with a straight face again.

Oh, is that a fact? Clearly you have more experience with this situation than I do.

I find it rather odd, how some can actually forget what it's like to be a teenager. It's as if once they've "matured" they look back on themselves and say "there was no redeeming feature about me", and never noticed that maturity is a gradual progression through that very phase.

 

[Lee]

a+++ post fishy.

what strikes me the most about this affair is just how much of an anti-climactic ending it is to what could have been an inspiring story about a woman who did whatever it took to accomplish her dreams. obviously it's more complicated than that but I'd hope that in time, as pornography becomes more and more commonplace in society (whether that's a good or a bad thing is a whole different discussion), that we can reach a point where people aren't treated as lepers for being a part of a perfectly legal profession. whatever happened to the land of opportunity?

 

[Stratos]

maybe a part of why she did it at all was because she actually enjoys being fucked on camera, or fucked in front of any type of audience. deciding to profit from such pleasure hardly equals a lack of self respect.

gr8 role model for ninth graders imo

I believe the point j7r was making in his post, when he mentioned self-respect, is that if you were earnestly interested in making a living as a teacher, you'd be able to forsee that shit like this would happen if you had a past in the porn industry. And if you had an ounce of self-respect and ambition, you'd be willing to take the lower-paying burger flipping job over going into porn, so that when your time came around you could go into the teaching profession with no skeletons in the closet and no risk of losing your job

 

[Glen]

If I made a video of myself getting banged and sold it for money and then I tried teaching your teenage children, you would be completely right to say "no" to that. It's not about the sex, it's about trying to put someone who makes terrible decisions and has no self-respect in front of kids as a role model. I don't have a child, but I do not want my future daughter (or son) learning that sucking dick for money is a legitimate stepping stone to a career. Combine that with the fact that nobody can take her seriously in class. My support of her firing has nothing to do with sexual morality, it's about the fact that no teenage boy in that school will ever be able to look at her with a straight face again. There's nothing unfair about that, she decided that the money was worth everyone knowing what she'll do for money. She is living with that choice just like I am living with mine.

I ask again- will you be encouraging your daughter to do porn when she turns 18? I hear it's good money!

'no teenage boy will be able to look at her with a straight face' is actually an argument i agree with, and why i can understand and abide by the firing.

the idea that she has no self respect solely on account of her job is what's bullshit, though. to say a human is irredeemable solely based on what they do/did for money is ridiculously narrow and retrograde. what if she used to work for monsanto and decided to become a teacher? i think anyone with any sense of morality would agree that she would be a significantly worse role model in that case. but of course nobody would cry foul in that situation, because sex for money is ICKY.

i wouldn't encourage my daughter to do pornography, and i would probably be pretty heartbroken if she did, but that's because i was raised in a society with a 'really antiquated and dangerously limited idea of how human sexuality ought to work'. just because it would bother me, it doesn't mean that it should bother me.

the elephant in the room here is that everybody who's defending her is doing so by saying 'oh you know maybe she couldnt make ends meet and it was a dark time in her life and and and', and nobody is saying 'what about the possibility that she likes getting jizzed on an decided to monetize it', since female sexuality is infinitely more taboo and scary than male sexuality.

 

[Empoof]

Why do you risk losing your job for your past in the porn industry? From a legal standpoint i don't quite see the problem... Seems like a lot of you could benefit from watching "12 Angry Men" and put prejudices of the porn industry behind you. It's fine if you think porn is morally repugnant, but they should've found another reason to fire her. Perhaps I have a misunderstanding of law, but it seems like those are legal skeletons she has in her closet. Could someone quote the law set in place that being a poor role model is rational for losing your teaching job? I'd be more inclined to see things from the other side.

"Although (Halas') pornography career has concluded, the ongoing availability of her pornographic materials on the Internet will continue to impede her from being an effective teacher and respected colleague," Judge Julie Cabos-Owen wrote in a 46-page decision issued Friday by the Commission on Professional Competence.
...
"Miss Halas is more than just an individual fighting for her job as a teacher," he said Tuesday. "I think she's representative of a lot of people who may have a past that may not involve anything illegal or anything that hurts anybody."

I'm siding with her lawyer on this one, even though she was convicted. I posted both sides listed in the article, because i disagree that her currently available porn "impedes her from being an effective teacher". If she was performing poorly, then there should be evidence enough for her termination regardless of her readily available pornographic past. Which, to my understanding, was NOT the ruling in court. She might not be seen as a respected colleague, but that's no grounds for getting terminated either.

Also fishy's post is fantastic.

 

[Stratos]

Why do you risk losing your job for your past in the porn industry? From a legal standpoint i don't quite see the problem... Seems like a lot of you could benefit from watching "12 Angry Men" and put prejudices of the porn industry behind you. It's fine if you think porn is morally repugnant, but they should've found another reason to fire her. Perhaps I have a misunderstanding of law, but it seems like those are legal skeletons she has in her closet. Could someone quote the law set in place that being a poor role model is rational for losing your teaching job? I'd be more inclined to see things from the other side.



I'm siding with her lawyer on this one, even though she was convicted. I posted both sides listed in the article, because i disagree that her currently available porn "impedes her from being an effective teacher". If she was performing poorly, then there should be evidence enough for her termination regardless of her readily available pornographic past. Which, to my understanding, was NOT the ruling in court. She might not be seen as a respected colleague, but that's no grounds for getting terminated either.

Also fishy's post is fantastic.

um you do not have to break the law to get fired

and her past in porn was definitely causing an outrage among parents of her students and many other headaches for the school, is that reason enough?