What part of that whole usage discussion dont you understand?This statement in itself is wrong, unless we have different definitions of "strength". Heracross possesses the same strength as Pinsir? Infernape is as strong as Blaziken? Flygon compares to Garchomp?
While there is no fixed BL metagame, the BL Tier can be divided into two categories : Those pokemon who are just barely too strong for UU, thus making it an UU banlist, and those who are clearly too strong for UU but just short of achieving OU power. This in itself is the reason for the huge discrepancies existing in the BL Tier.
The reason Jolty cant play other roles isnt at all because its weak, its because its movepool consits of its standard set and a small selection of crap moves like Pin Missile. Also, You WOULD think that Wobby and Deoxys would get a shitton of usage, but the reason the abuse is small and sketch is because our tierlist has them in limbo. If we slapped them in OU just like shoddy did then they probably would be abused all over the place. Wobby at least, Deoxys-S is worthless IMO.While there's no arguing with the logic of your first sentences there, the bolded one I disagree with - something can be used fairly often and be relatively weak.
Incidentally, Jolteon appears as 38th on the weighted usage statistics for the sole reason that it makes a decent lead and an alternative to the 10 completely broken leads in the metagame - it simply is too weak to play any other role well, and EVEN in the "lead pokemon" department (it's speciality, so to speak), it is outclassed by at least a dozen other pokemon.
Also, by definition, Deoxys-E and Wobbuffet came down from a superior metagame, Ubers, so you'd think they'd be in the top 10 most used pokemon right away - they make a measly 45th and 47th. Snorlax is 21st.
Again, what part of that whole usage discussion dont you understand? If you want Weezing to be OU so bad, use it. It's been said repeatedly in the joke thread, there's absolutely no drawback to being in a lower tier, if a pokemon is sitting in the BL tier, its basically a OU pokemon with not as much notariety. I dont get what the criping is about.The difference being that in terms of STRENGTH, Weezing's typing, ability and stats make it unique and not directly outclassed by any other OU pokemon - while Jolteon has the ability to a) batton pass substitutes or speed or b) fire off hidden powers and her 2 other special moves - she is outclassed in both roles by other OU pokemon (Ninjask and any top special sweeper, respectively).
As you say, generally there is a correlation between usage and power, but there are exceptions. Dragonite, for instance, has some incredibly powerful options available to it, yet it just barely makes OU nowadays in terms of usage - because it is totally outclassed by 2 superior (more powerful) pokemon.
Oh well, people are still using it. I guess your opinion doesn't match the masses.Oh well, Electrivire's still on the list so clearly it's not perfect. ><
Me said:I like the new list, and the way things are done to see who gets to be OU or not. My question is now that there is a solid method for determining usage, how often is the tierlist going to be changed up?
Specs jolt + rain + thunder = sweepnot everything has to all out sweep like lucario and garchomp. Most things not named Blissey, Snorlax, and Regice cannot take two specs T-bolts unless they resist it... period.
EDIT: Thank you Gorm.
the bolded part is what a decent battler should do. otherwise, yeah, theyre boned.Specs jolt + rain + thunder = send out hippowdon/ any ground
And somone attempting to sweep with a choice user should make sure that it's counters are dead before attempting the sweep.the bolded part is what a decent battler should do. otherwise, yeah, theyre boned.
the new list seems to include some odd choices that i wouldnt consider OU, but seeing as how i dont even come close to comprehending the algoreithm, ill just nod my head and say "uh, yeah i get." just like in math class.
X-Act you should be like the guy on numbers and use maths to stop crimes, predict murders or something. That would be hectic.The tier lists don't say how much usage things should get, only how much they will get.
sarcasm? if not, just to let you know it was obviously part of the joke too...Poor Mekkah got infracted to the point he could be banned for posts in the april fools thread =[ its all fun and games until someone gets banned
how on earth did you determine such a thing o_oCool. I was able to reproduce the list (once I remembered that Deoxys-S and Wobbuffet were in Limbo). I have no problems with it.
EDIT: On a side note, looking through all of the usages, the only non-Uber Pokemon that has not been used in Ladder Play is Loudred. Poor Loudred...
I compiled the Shoddy usage statistics in an Excel spreadsheet. God that took forever... @_@how on earth did you determine such a thing o_o
Key word is usually. There are always exceptions to rules.The usage of a pokemon usually is a good indication of it's power. For example, nobody really uses Flygon anymore, because Garchomp outclasses it. Now people want to win the game. Naturally they will use the stronger option. So if all those Flygon users switch to Garchomp then naturally Garhcomp will become OVERUSED.
everyone's glad to see Arcanine go ;). Its actually well done, the only surprise for me was to see Weezing go and maybe Gallade get in. ^^I'm glad most people are saying that this OU list is obvious... it means that the prediction function works fine. :)
the opinion of the collective battlers on shoddy determines the tiers, not your theorymon. I'm not saying i disagree with your points (i think donphan is garbage this gen) but we are not going to base the tiers on theorymon when you have cold hard stats provided by colin.We go by statistics because it is clearly a) the easiest and most reliable way and b) relatively non-biased and factual. Nevertheless, every system has its flaws.
Key word is usually. There are always exceptions to rules.