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Discussion in 'OverUsed' started by EnterRAYZORS, Nov 6, 2012.
This is not true. What's the best set for ditto?
Scarf Ditto is best against offense, Leftovers Ditto is best against more defensive teams, and pretty much anything else on Ditto is either for bluffing or trying to find a balance.
Not seeing your point. Yes, I know what you mean.
Ye genesect is what eletivire wishes he was, with that flawless coverage getting the boost from eb is very easy.
Scarf genesect is that rare pokemon you can slap on a team and it works, perfect coverage and stab u turn off equally great attacking stats, he dose more in one set than any other Pokemon in ou to such efficiency unlike nidoking who shares his flawless coverage, but lacks his power bulk typing and u turn. While I think scarf is best rock polish is very good as it leeches off the success of scarf, making it very dangerous to assume scarf all the time.
Are you joking? Leftovers ditto is strictly inferior to Scarf Ditto. The whole point of ditto is to revenge kill. Leftover ditto is just bad... I don't know of anyone that's ever run that. Ditto is too frail anyways to run leftovers correctly. Hell even Smogon agrees with me.
"The best set ever"
Edit: Nice use of white text you got me
Does this really need its own thread? >_>
RP for sure though. Trick someone into switching for fear of U-turn and set up. Also wtf Leftovers ditto? it's not reliable at all since you're relying on a speed tie...
sarcasm is ridiculously easy to see over the internet
I've been having great success with the all-out expert belt set alongside Terrakion as a scarfer. Since I don't see that one, I'd have to list the focus sash set as my favorite.
How do I add that set to the poll? Ive added it to the thread but i cant figure that out, thanks
I feel like an expert belt set with Bug Buzz-Ice Beam-Flamethrower-Thunderbolt/Giga drain is under represented here. I use it on my sand team on PS, and it is truly effective as a late game sweeper with hazard assistance.
One should also mention the potential that thunder/blizzard have in their respective weather teams.
Throwing my support behind LO RP Genesect like lots of others. It is kind of ridiculous how much of the metagame it can set up on and how powerful it is. If it manages a +1 boost in Sp Attk it can really power through a lot of its common checks like Terrakion/Rotom-W. I would say its next best set is an Expert Belt set with U-Turn / Ice Beam / Thunderbolt / Flamethrower. While Focus Sash works most of the time, I would agree with Jimbon that it can be incredibly inconsistent and Expert Belt serves more average use.
While Choice Scarf is its most common set I find it to be an incredible waste of potential and if I do run a Choice Scarf Genesect I often find myself needing to run a secondary Scarfer (Scarf Keldeo and co are way too common). Although it does need to be noted that these Scarfers really rose in popularity due to Choice Scarf Genesect, so take that as you will.
I agree with you dragonuser. I've found quite good success with RP Genesect. Giga drain is a staple for me nowadays to stomp over the checks for Gene such as Rotom-W and Terrakion, and to offset the LO recoil. Scarf genesect for me is quite good, but the let down is its base 99 speed which can be out sped easily. I prefer scarfers such as Keldeo, Terrakion or Mence. The fact that Genesect cannot outspeed +1 base 100s, or even at least tie with them hinders its use as a scarfer. I think people claiming it being the best scarfer in the metagame is a bit of an overstatement. The ebelt set is quite good as well for bluffing choice and getting surprise kills. I always tend to net 2 KOs with ebelt gene. I would say my favourite set has to be Rock Polish, followed by ebelt then scarf.
I'm going to have to agree with dragonuser in his proclamation that LO RP Genesect is the best Genesect set, despite what my poll choice (EBelt RP Genesect) says. It rips through almost all of the OU metagame and can force the hand of many offensive teams once it reaches +2, granting its team a huge advantage. Heck, it can be used to deal damage early on in the game without needing to use Agility, thanks to Download. Also, this may sound weird and (for some of you) noobish, but I've found success in pairing RP Genesect with RP Sheer Force Landorus. Most teams I've faced down on the ladder simply cannot deal with both of them together, and this effect is amplified by people relying on Specially Defensive Rotom-W to check pretty much EVERY specially-based threat in OU and Scarf Genesect as their only revenge killer. Now, EBelt RP Genesect is pretty cool because it can feign a Scarf set, demolish walls like the pure EBelt set, and sweep on a moment's notice with one boost, just like its LO counterpart. Obviously, it won't be as powerful, but this allows you to play mindgames with your opponent, possibly snagging you the game if played right. However, it lacks the consistent power that LO brings, giving it a miniscule amount of inconsistency.
Personally, I don't exactly see why Scarf Genesect is so popular. It's bait for DragMag teams, and it doesn't pack the punch that the Choice Band and Expert Belt sets are known for having. Sure, it can grant you momentum from Turn 1, but it gives Lead Terrakion, Deoxys-D, and Normal Gem Mew a free turn to set up Stealth Rock (i.e. barring the effect of crits). However, don't take that statement as me saying that Scarf Genesect is a bad set. It's quite good at securing momentum, which is important for any offensive team, with its lightning-quick U-turn, allowing it to work well with almost every team archetype, ranging from weatherless VoltTurn (Eclypse's Volt-Turn's Return) to Sun offense (Lavos Spawn's Simulation of a Drought). In fact, Scarf Genesect (alongside Dugtrio) is responsible for the introduction of Shed Shell Heatran and a small resurgence in Scarf Heatran's popularity. Scarf Genesect's ubiquity caused the popularity of +Spe DD Salamence, which Genesect cannot check, to rise, and DD Dragonite, which Genesect can check, to fall, among other changes. Of course, the issues of Genesect being DragMag bait, its lack of power, and disadvantages if used as a lead cause me to regard it as an inferior set.
Now, a small quip on my preferred EV spreads. Should I be running a Scarf Genesect, I personally prefer an EV spread of 112 Atk / 144 SpA / 252 Spe. While it forces a compromise with the amount of damage done, at +1, Genesect can OHKO 252 HP / 0 Def Latias after just Stealth Rock damage. That is huge for offensive teams that employ Sheer Force Landorus, which Latias walls ad infinitum. If maximizing Speed isn't of concern to you, then you can go with Funkasaurus's EV spread of 64 Atk / 252 SpA / 192 Spe, which gives Genesect's attacks a bit more sting, while outpacing +1 Dragonite and Gyarados. However, if your team doesn't exactly care about Latias, then you can go with the standard EV spread given on Genesect's analysis. For the Rock Polish sets, I prefer the standard EV spreads, but I've been tinkering with a bulkier Genesect spread to grant it a bit more survivability.
tl;dr: LO / EBelt RP Genesect > Scarf Genesect. Small paragraph dedicated to preferred EV spreads.