Okay, genuine question, but do you find anything enjoyable about the tier? Like, you complain more than verlisfy does about Wolfey, which is impressive. I'm just wondering if you hate the tier as much as you seem to do, why are you playing the tier? Not even as a diss, just a genuine question.
) still handles the 2 badly
+2 252+ Atk Tera Fairy Kingambit Tera Blast (80 BP) vs. +1 252 HP / 88 Def Zamazenta: 324-384 (83.5 - 98.9%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Leftovers recovery
It is common knowledge when u play id zamazenta u find teammates that can patchup its weaknesses like dondozo clodsire and those are not hard to find while also having a very good mu vs opposing offense. Dragapult and gholdengo too. If ur id zamazenta team lose to stall or fat balance u just built it wrong period, zamazenta just too good and fast vs too many offensive pokemon i don't like it aroundanywho i know im late to the discussion but my more serious thoughts is that zama, while being a REALLY good mon at times, like any setup sweeper is matchup based, run any of the 4 fully evolved unaware mons and as long as it only runs 2 attacks you have a good chance, and if you TRULY hate zama then run dozo or clod in which on the most offensive set(4 attacks +
[252 Atk Zamazenta Close Combat vs. 248 HP / 8 Def Clodsire: 138-163 (29.8 - 35.2%) -- 20.7% chance to 3HKO
252 Atk Zamazenta Close Combat vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Dondozo: 121-144 (24 - 28.5%) -- 97.3% chance to 4HKO]
(all of this is factoring the idea that neither mon just recovers on you or sets up curse)
overall though, zama defintiely has checks and i think its good for the tier even if i personally might be biased cuz im weird and like using roar zama just to mess up volc and PRAY i get a physical attacker so i can set up an ID then body press spam, gimmicky?yeah a bit, but don't beat it till you try it
going to say once again blunders example of gambit, ghold and zama being a rock paper scissors core will always be relevant, basically restating but yeah, zama is simply gambits best check, by far not its only but when teras involved you simply just iron defense as opposed to losing to tera fly + sucker punch with tusk
This is true especially with the recent ST's. Most of them have gone along the lines of people saying something is broken, then people learn how to counter them with already widespread mons, and it ends DNB like what happened with kyurem and gouging. Pretty much the opposite happened with Arch, where people started by saying it was balanced, then people considered rain and that the only reliable check was clod (who got pieced by eq anyways) (still my goat) and then got banned.
That's for like every mon. Zama struggles more into stall because dondozo and gliscor (despite it commonly running ice fang) counter it quite hard. Zama is weak to status and has somewhat exploitable special defense, so any fast special attacker can beat it. It also somewhat struggle with ghost types as while it has crunch, ghold can hit it hard in return which is great for offense, while dragapult can t-wave it and cripple it immensely. It also has somewhat of 4mss, as it wants bp, Id, crunch, heavy slam, roar, wild charge, stone edge and ice fang, which all do crucial things.
What's ur point I have won vs fat balances and stall without ever needing zamazenta do anything cept switch in and out zamazenta Iron def set is extremely tanky wdym poor spdef it doesn't even come close to get ohkoed by enamorus or valiant moonblast and it just owns them with heavy slam if u can sweep an entire team just tank that 1 special hit. Weaknesses are mainly glimmora tspikes and dragapult gholdengo depends on set. It's not hard to find strong fast offensive teammates to pair it with to have a good chance vs stall while still being good vs other offense. I think its way too good, some ppl that make their own offenses just pray they don't run into 1 even on the 1800-1900s on the ladder cos "strong fast offensive teammates" that can also break stall are a limited few. If u rly want to say its not broken its cos it usually needs to be paired with those few, poor spdef no its extremely fat, weak to hazard ok just pack a spinner its not hard to fit one on ur ho team...
Me looking for my spinners that aren't great tusk (treads ain't going on my team even if its the only spinner ever and glimmora ain't living that long):
Im out tho, see u tmr maybe for more xdd Ill say though,ur english is better than mine i dont speak it as a 1st language but u dont win arguments just cos my english is worse lul
Okay, ignoring the rudeness of this post (bad takes, really? Is that what we really are resorting to? Seriously, have you heard the phrase "if you don't anything nice to say, don't say anything at all"), yes zama is amazing against physical sweepers, but my main point is that it is weaker to special hits. When did I say, "physical sweepers are good against it"? If your team doesn't have special threats, guess what? Of course you are going to get owned by zama, that is it's most defining trait. But most teams have special threats, if you don't then that's just bad teambuilding. The serperior example was to show how saying a mon is broken by taking out its checks is unreasonable, this is only ever a good statement if the checks to said mon are extremely easy to beat with other mons and after said checks are defeated, the opposing team is helpless. This is not the case with zama. Let's look at the list of offensive mons in OU that can beat zama, alright?Its broken cos its so fat it owns every physical sweeper/breaker with some boosts. Serperior is weak with avg stats and it doesnt do any dmg without leaf storm boosts and its also not anywhere as fast and its also not anywhere as strong to be unkillable even with boost, people love volc right jst send ur volc in if serp has a sub up and +2 and bug buzz it, dead. These calcs are irrelevant they only come into play when sr isnt on the few, if u are 1 of those people to run teams without sr then u do u i am good, and u can be sure at least rocks will go up on offensive teams and i have ways to force people to worry about whats in front of peoples face then thinking of spinning i just ko enamorus after sr always in the times ive faced it i dont need a calc for it, also tera steel exists people have hyped roar sub tera fire bla bla but steel is the generic best 1 on the ladder to account for so many scenarios as possible, i will just use the tera and own valiant if thats the only thing stopping me from sweeping the rest of a team. U type more on these forums than u play the game ngl its fun to reply to you when im in the train back home or bored at work for the lul i cant be bothered to reply to most other ppl even if i think some of them are bad takes
I don’t see what’s wrong with complaining - if anything, it leads to a better metagame if we complain about things that are truly problematic or even things that we may see as problematic.
True, but at the same time when you complain about things that don't need to be complained about, it gets annoying and takes away from the complaining about the stuff that should be complained about.
Not all complaining is actually constructive. Especially when that user tries to derail every conversation to whine about Tera.
Yes this describes the scenario somewhat accurately. If we get to the point where we have to ban 10 pokemon broken by tera with no sign of stopping then I think the council would remove tera forcibly, but as it stands right now we are nowhere near that point, as only eleki is banned for that reason. So honestly the best thing would be to wait and see what happens as more bans happen. After all, these bans will all have different factors for why these pokemon get suspected/banned in the first place. It is going to be months of bans before we have anything resembling a balanced tier so get ready for that, but it all depends on the factors of which cause pokemon to get banned, as if a large amount later down the line are proven to be broken by tera and if new pokemon are broken by it with no sign of stopping, then removal would be required. Things are nowhere near that dire though so it is best to wait and see how this meta develops, because we have no clue if the meta will get to a dire point like that after enough bans. The uncertainty worries me too, so I understand but it is gets to see how this meta plays out in the end, as then we will find out if tera causes a domino effect of bans later on or not. No one knows what will happen, so let's just enjoy what we have and try to make it better at least, and see how that plays out over the next months.
Perhaps your definition of reasonable complaining is different from mine, but complaining about highly divisive things in the community is for me. Not sure what the Tera crusade is for though (although I support a Tera suspect).
I disagree with you sometimes but sun being good again is really cool to see, that I can agree with
And you’re the one who’s derailing the conversation by blaming the guy for having a view that doesn’t align with yours. Dude’s got a point, anything on surveys is a topic that should be discussed and advocating for a Tera test is not useless, contrary to your opinion.
