I need rates. So does this team.

[Light Yagami]

I tried going for 4 sweepers, and 2 walls, keeping the team strong, and incorporating my favorite Pokemon. All Pokemon are level 100. Please rate.

Gyarados @ Leftovers
Adamant
Intimidate
212 HP / 16 Attack / 180 Defense / 100 Speed
- Dragon Dance
- Taunt
- Waterfall
- Stone Edge

My lead. Usually, I start out with a taunt unless they start with a Bug, which then, I will Dragon Dance followed by a Stone Edge. That can usually 2HKO or probably OHKO them. Bug Pokemon are my main problem, so, I try to keep him alive in case one comes along. Waterfall is there because of power.

Weavile @ Life Orb
Jolly
Pressure
252 Attack / 252 Speed
- Pursuit
- Ice Shard
- Brick Break
- Night Slash

Weavile is great on those predicted switches. If I predict it, use Pursuit, obviously. If I don't think they will switch, I will generally go with the STAB Night Slash. Brick Break is there for Protecters, etc. Ice Shard is for Dragons.

Torterra @ Leftovers
Impish
Overgrow
252 HP / 148 Attack / 108 Defense
- Earthquake
- Wood Hammer
- Stealth Rock
- Leach Seed

My Physical Wall. I usually start with a Stealth Rock, then a Leech Seed. If Leech Seeds can force a switch out, I get the with the Rocks. If not, I steal HP. Earthquake and Wood Hammer are they for coverage and STAB. I won't replace Wood Hammer, mainly because between Leech Seed and Leftovers, I'm bound to get the HP back.

Alakazam @ Wise Glasses
Timid
Synchronize
252 Special Attack / 252 Speed
- Psychic
- Energy Ball
- Focus Blast
- Shadow Ball

Special Sweeper, obviously. Psychic is there for STAB. Energy Ball for whatever-its-name-is. Focus Blast cause I love it, and Shadow Ball for the Ghosts. I chose Wise Glasses over Choice Spec's because I don't like being locked into a move. Also, I can pretend I'm locked into one, then switch moves on them.

Starmie @ Leftovers
Timid
Natural Cure
172 HP / 120 Special Attack / 216 Speed
- Ice Beam
- Rapid Spin
- Recover
- Surf

Rapid Spinner. Ice Beam for Dragons. Rapid Beam for Spikes, Rocks, etc. Surf for STAB. Recover for recovery.

Blissey @ Leftovers
Bold
Natural Cure
252 HP / 252 Defense / 6 Special Attack
- Seismic Toss
- Thunder Wave
- Ice Beam
- Softboiled

Standard Blissey.

 

[CardsOfTheHeart]

Standard Gyarados? Check.

Standard Weavile? Check.

Standard Torterra? Wait a minute...

Tyranitar is very popular, thus Synthesis will not be effective a lot of the time. If you think you need healing for Torterra, try Leech Seed. Otherwise, go with Stone Edge.

Standard Alakazam? Check.

Standard Milotic? ...

Wait, you're trying to sweep with Milotic? No no, Milotic is not a sweeping Pokemon; it's a tank. Either make it into a tank or go with Starmie. Milotic has no business using Dragon Pulse with Ice Beam, anyway. Looking at this team, Surf/Thunderbolt/Rapid Spin/Recover Starmie would help this team more.

Standard Blissey? ...

Okay, it's your first post so I won't beat you senseless. Blissey does not need Special Defense EVs. Blissey REALLY NEEDS the Defense EVs. Blissey's Defense more than doubles when you put 252 EVs into it. Move those Special Defense EVs into Defense.



Okay, that's all my major quips about this team. You're wasting 4 EVs on Weavile, Alakazam, and Milotic, by the way.

 

[Light Yagami]

Standard Gyarados? Check.

Yay.

Standard Weavile? Check.

Yay.

Standard Torterra? Wait a minute...

Darn. We were on a roll, too.

Tyranitar is very popular, thus Synthesis will not be effective a lot of the time. If you think you need healing for Torterra, try Leech Seed. Otherwise, go with Stone Edge.

As of yet, I haven't come across any Tyranitar, however, you prove a vaild point. And in doing so, you have made my mind up for me. I will go with Leach Seed instead of Synthesis. Why? This is why:

In normal circumstances Synthesis would be the superior recovery choice for Torterra, however in competitive battling, between the addition of Hippowdon and Abomasnow as well as an improved Tyranitar, the likelihood of clear skies is low. As a result Synthesis will have its effectiveness severely reduced. Leech Seed on the other hand won't recover damage as quickly as Synthesis but overtime will show its effectiveness, the added bonus of HP draining is also likely to force several switches as well, racking up some extra Stealth Rock damage.

Standard Alakazam? Check.

Yay.

Standard Milotic? ...

More dots...great.

Wait, you're trying to sweep with Milotic? No no, Milotic is not a sweeping Pokemon; it's a tank. Either make it into a tank or go with Starmie. Milotic has no business using Dragon Pulse with Ice Beam, anyway. Looking at this team, Surf/Thunderbolt/Rapid Spin/Recover Starmie would help this team more.

Yes, I have also been thinking about doing Starmie instead. Would you mind helping me with Nature, Trait, EV Spread, and Moveset? lol. I have never used a Starmie, so, yeah...

Standard Blissey? ...

More dots...again!

Okay, it's your first post so I won't beat you senseless.

Thanks, I appreciate it.

Blissey does not need Special Defense EVs. Blissey REALLY NEEDS the Defense EVs. Blissey's Defense more than doubles when you put 252 EVs into it. Move those Special Defense EVs into Defense.

Yes, I know. I am currently working on EV training a new Blissey. I got this one from a friend and currently, I am only using it because it's shiny. This will be changed soon, though.

Okay, that's all my major quips about this team. You're wasting 4 EVs on Weavile, Alakazam, and Milotic, by the way.

Thanks for the constructive criticism. It really helps. Oh, and as for the other EV's, I'm not too worried about it. And by now, there already used.

 

[CardsOfTheHeart]

Ah, a Wi-Fi team. I had a feeling that was the case, but I was working under a Shoddy Battle assumption since it wasn't indicated either way. Maybe I should've paid some attention to the EVs...

Anyway, I'll direct your attention to the Starmie analysis for ideas. In my opinion, the standard Spinner set should be fine for the team.

 

[Light Yagami]

Ah, a Wi-Fi team. I had a feeling that was the case, but I was working under a Shoddy Battle assumption since it wasn't indicated either way. Maybe I should've paid some attention to the EVs...

That would have been the smart thing to do. >.>

Anyway, I'll direct your attention to the Starmie analysis for ideas. In my opinion, the standard Spinner set should be fine for the team.

Thanks! I'm checking it out now.

Edit: I checked my stats on Serebii using an EV Calculator, and, well, the EV's were in Defense, not Special Defense. I don't know why I thought they were...

 

[Lawliet Ryuzaki]

I faught this team with my team its very good i barley won the battle soo to everyone else whatchout its an excellent team

 

[Light Yagami]

I faught this team with my team its very good i barley won the battle soo to everyone else whatchout its an excellent team

lol. Danny, this is the team you didn't beat. Also, it has changed since then. It's gotten alot stronger.

 

[Lawliet Ryuzaki]

hey Cards of the heart can you rate my team too you seem nicer than other people and ill end up editing it this weekend soo yeah i just would like your opinion

 

[Light Yagami]

hey Cards of the heart can you rate my team too you seem nicer than other people and ill end up editing it this weekend soo yeah i just would like your opinion

Next time, PM or something.

Anyway, yeah, Cards, thanks for the help. This team is better thanks to you. It wasn't bad to begin with, but still. Thanks for the help.

 

[trainer37369]

good pokemon if i were you i would take off the blissey and the starmie,i suggest u get some fire pokemon and a ghost type such as a gengar or a dusknior and you need a solid defence pokemon so i think you need a rock type or a snorlax and if u get a snorlax teach it a fire move if u can if not make its best weapon its attacks while its asleep im going to give u a link so you can see what levels ALL pokemon evolve and the levels the moves they learn and what tms it can learn www.pokedream.com its got some good advice so check it out

 

[Light Yagami]

good pokemon if i were you i would take off the blissey and the starmie,i suggest u get some fire pokemon and a ghost type such as a gengar or a dusknior and you need a solid defence pokemon so i think you need a rock type or a snorlax and if u get a snorlax teach it a fire move if u can if not make its best weapon its attacks while its asleep im going to give u a link so you can see what levels ALL pokemon evolve and the levels the moves they learn and what tms it can learn www.pokedream.com its got some good advice so check it out

I normally don't do this, but I have to now.

You, sir, are a n00b.

First off, Blissey and Starmie are two main members of the team. Starmie is a Special Sweeper, and Blissey is a Special Wall.

Second, I don't NEED a ghost type. No team needs them.

Third. You say I need a good defensive Pokemon? Blissey? Torterra? What are they? Blissey has 306 Special Defense, and Torterra has 300 Defense.

Fourth, I know what levels most Pokemon that I use learn moves at, and which moves they can and cannot learn. If not, I go to serebii.

 

[Lawliet Ryuzaki]

yeah, i cant wait to fight you tomorrow ill be online around 5:30 so ill be wating

 

[Dr.Traveler]

I tried going for 4 sweepers, and 2 walls, keeping the team strong, and incorporating my favorite Pokemon. All Pokemon are level 100. Please rate.

Gyarados @ Leftovers
Adamant
Intimidate
212 HP / 16 Attack / 180 Defense / 100 Speed
- Dragon Dance
- Taunt
- Waterfall
- Stone Edge

Fine lead. It might, just might, be worth considering using Lum Berry. If I get put to sleep by a fast lead one more time I might just toss my DS across the room. Stone Edge is the RIGHT play there, as it lets you kill opposing Gyarados. You might consider shifting 4 EV to speed to outspeed other Lead Gyarados if you play on shoddy. If you play on the DS via Wireless don't bother, as the variability of IV's online would make that move madness.

Weavile @ Life Orb
Jolly
Pressure
252 Attack / 252 Speed
- Pursuit
- Ice Shard
- Brick Break
- Night Slash

Whee! High Speed Antics! In all seriousness, this will be a fine revenge killer and will kept you from being swept by a lot of Dragons/Physical Threats. No really big things to say here.

Torterra @ Leftovers
Impish
Overgrow
252 HP / 148 Attack / 108 Defense
- Earthquake
- Wood Hammer
- Stealth Rock
- Leach Seed

I like Torterra. This looks like a solid Physical Wall. You'll have to watch for Ice Beam of course. Quad Ice Weakness stinks :(

It might be worth spamming in Rest Talk here instead of Stealth Rock. Stealth Rock is cool and useful, but Torterra absorbing Sleep and rest talking Earthquake and Wood Hammer could be fun.

Alakazam @ Wise Glasses
Timid
Synchronize
252 Special Attack / 252 Speed
- Psychic
- Energy Ball
- Focus Blast
- Shadow Ball

I like him. I'd look at Choice Specs here, as you're fast enough to abuse the power boost. You can send him on Revenge, quickly Drop the incoming predicted poke, and fade away to a wall.

Starmie @ Leftovers
Timid
Natural Cure
172 HP / 120 Special Attack / 216 Speed
- Ice Beam
- Rapid Spin
- Recover
- Surf

Utility Rapid Spinner. Check.

Blissey @ Leftovers
Bold
Natural Cure
252 HP / 252 Defense / 6 Special Attack
- Seismic Toss
- Thunder Wave
- Ice Beam
- Softboiled

Good Special wall, especially in combination with Torterra. Torterra can absorb the incoming Fighting Physical attacks meant to kill Blissey, and EQ back, Blissey can absorb the incoming Ice Beam and Thunderwave back. Very good.


Only things I noticed:

No Hypnosis. Not a deal breaker but there's a reason you see a lot of sleep.

No Obvious Dragon Counter: You can revenge kill Dragonite/Garchomp/Salamence with Weaville, but I don't see a good pokemon to switch in and absorb an Outrage. At least if you hold Weaville you probably won't get swept. Keep that in mind when playing.

This team should serve you well. I don't think it'd carry you to the top of the Shoddy Ladder, but on the other hand, I don't know what to change to take it to the top (Honestly, I'm not that Awesome).

 

[Light Yagami]

Fine lead. It might, just might, be worth considering using Lum Berry. If I get put to sleep by a fast lead one more time I might just toss my DS across the room. Stone Edge is the RIGHT play there, as it lets you kill opposing Gyarados. You might consider shifting 4 EV to speed to outspeed other Lead Gyarados if you play on shoddy. If you play on the DS via Wireless don't bother, as the variability of IV's online would make that move madness.

I've actually been thinking of Lum Berry, but really, I'm not going to worry about it for now. I use sleep clause, so, yeah.

As for the 4 EV's, I'll keep them where they are. I play on Wi-Fi, not Shoddy.

Whee! High Speed Antics! In all seriousness, this will be a fine revenge killer and will kept you from being swept by a lot of Dragons/Physical Threats. No really big things to say here.

Yuppers. Revenge Killer is what I planned it to be.

I like Torterra. This looks like a solid Physical Wall. You'll have to watch for Ice Beam of course. Quad Ice Weakness stinks :(

I agree T_T It makes me sad.

It might be worth spamming in Rest Talk here instead of Stealth Rock. Stealth Rock is cool and useful, but Torterra absorbing Sleep and rest talking Earthquake and Wood Hammer could be fun

NO! lol. That goes against my strategy for Torterra. I plan on laying the Rocks, then using Leach Seed, possibly forcing a switch into the Rocks, followed by a STAB Quake if possible, and if now, STAB Wood Hammer. Rinse and repeat.

I like him. I'd look at Choice Specs here, as you're fast enough to abuse the power boost. You can send him on Revenge, quickly Drop the incoming predicted poke, and fade away to a wall.

Actually, I prefer the glasses. Nothing is better than pretending your locked into a move then switching it. lol

Utility Rapid Spinner. Check.

Yay.

Good Special wall, especially in combination with Torterra. Torterra can absorb the incoming Fighting Physical attacks meant to kill Blissey, and EQ back, Blissey can absorb the incoming Ice Beam and Thunderwave back. Very good.

Exactly. Torterra/Blissey IMO, is very good together. lol.

Only things I noticed:

No Hypnosis. Not a deal breaker but there's a reason you see a lot of sleep.

Yet again, I use sleep clause.

No Obvious Dragon Counter: You can revenge kill Dragonite/Garchomp/Salamence with Weaville, but I don't see a good pokemon to switch in and absorb an Outrage. At least if you hold Weaville you probably won't get swept. Keep that in mind when playing.

Weavile has been getting the sweeping done, and he takes just one outrage. If he dies, Starmie shines. Litterally. I have a Shiny Starmie.

This team should serve you well. I don't think it'd carry you to the top of the Shoddy Ladder, but on the other hand, I don't know what to change to take it to the top (Honestly, I'm not that Awesome).

Thanks alot! I appreciate the feedback.

 

[Light Yagami]

Can someone new give advise? I still think this team can get better.

 

[MMX]

You have a massive bug weakness. Starmie, Weavile, Alakazam, and Torterra are all hit for SE damage. May I suggest Glidcor in place of Torterra?

 

[Light Yagami]

You have a massive bug weakness. Starmie, Weavile, Alakazam, and Torterra are all hit for SE damage. May I suggest Glidcor in place of Torterra?

I have Bug Weakness, yes, but in the event that one comes out, that's when Gyarados will shine. One DD Stone Edge is enough to kill most bugs that I've come across, and if not, Waterfall does job.

If I were to replace someone with Gliscor, who would you suggest? I don't know who I would take out.

 

[MMX]

I'd take out Torterra. It can Stealth Rock, and take physical hits better and has Roost to recover.

 

[Light Yagami]

I'd take out Torterra. It can Stealth Rock, and take physical hits better and has Roost to recover.

Um, no. Torterra is staying in no matter what.

 

[celestial_okami]

Standard Blissey? ...

Okay, it's your first post so I won't beat you senseless. Blissey does not need Special Defense EVs. Blissey REALLY NEEDS the Defense EVs. Blissey's Defense more than doubles when you put 252 EVs into it. Move those Special Defense EVs into Defense.

Well, this isn't necessarily true anymore when Specs Lucario can 2KO a 252HP / 0 Spdef Blissey that switches into rocks with Aura Sphere, or a P-Z can 2KO you with HP Fight or OHKO you with Hyper Beam after a Nasty Plot. Putting just enough EVs into Sp.def to make those 2KOs into 3KOs might be worth it depending on how prevalent those pokemon are in your local area / wifi hangout / on Shoddy.

Assume max damage and no critical hits, it takes 156 EVs for you to always survive the Hyper beam unless you switched into Rocks (enough to Softboiled and get the heck out of there I suppose, with optional Thunder-Waving if you like chances), drops HP fight to 49-58% (Leftovers and luck could help you out here), and the Aura Sphere to 42-50%. How often are you leaving in Blissey to take big physical hits anyway? About as often as your physical walls stick around to take special hits, right? It certainly does limit you from getting in a crucial Ice beam against a Dragon or a Thunderwave though.

I'm not too experienced with using Blissey myself (personal reasons) and I rarely encounter P-Z so I could be wrong.


I also don't see any strategy as to what your team tries to do, more just a collection of pokemon. How do you play your team out? How do you justify your choice of item on Weavile and Alakazam? What strategies do you have in mind? Standard sets are sometimes obvious (Hi, I am Blissey, Special Attackers stop here), but when you mix in things like Torterra you should give reasons why and how its use helps out your team. Not saying that non-standards are bad (I try to stick to the lower OU and BLs myself) but every team member needs to mesh well with the others.

 

[trader]

You need to write a description of all the pokemon(what they do,etc.)or this thread might get locked

 

[Light Yagami]

You need to write a description of all the pokemon(what they do,etc.)or this thread might get locked

Check. I did it.

 

[Arkeis]

Wise Glasses should not be used unless you're under Item Clause, because the boost is just too small. Psychic is a bad attacking type (too many things resist it) so you'll want Choice Specs to get the most out of your move. And you can use Trick to screw over Dark types that switch in. Alakazam can even survive a Tyranitar's unboosted Pursuit as long as you remove its Choice Band or Life Orb. If Zam is still alive later in the battle, you can use Trick to screw even more opponents like Tricking Choice Band onto a special sweeper or Life Orb onto a wall.

You say that Gyarados is your Bug counter. But the most common Bugs are Heracross and Yanmega. Heracross isn't weak to Rock and can KO you with its own Stone Edge. You'll never be able to beat Yanmega in speed and it can put you to sleep. So Gyarados can't really handle your Bug problem that well.

 

[Light Yagami]

Wise Glasses should not be used unless you're under Item Clause, because the boost is just too small. Psychic is a bad attacking type (too many things resist it) so you'll want Choice Specs to get the most out of your move. And you can use Trick to screw over Dark types that switch in. Alakazam can even survive a Tyranitar's unboosted Pursuit as long as you remove its Choice Band or Life Orb. If Zam is still alive later in the battle, you can use Trick to screw even more opponents like Tricking Choice Band onto a special sweeper or Life Orb onto a wall.

Hmm...You prove a valid point here. I will definitely keep this in mind for when I get home this afternoon.

You say that Gyarados is your Bug counter. But the most common Bugs are Heracross and Yanmega. Heracross isn't weak to Rock and can KO you with its own Stone Edge. You'll never be able to beat Yanmega in speed and it can put you to sleep. So Gyarados can't really handle your Bug problem that well.

Again, a valid point. Do you know of a good starter than can counter bugs?

 

[JesiahTEG]

Looking at this team, it looks versatile, and although you may lose some Pokemon to Salamence or Garchomp, specifically CS Chomp, you can revenge kill them with Weavile. The only thing I really recommend is using a Steel Type. Metagross with Tpunch can run through your team honestly, between spamming Tpunch and Meteor Mash, Ice Punch...I mean, that's hard to counter no matter what, and I guess you could take care of it if you predict correctly...But it's still risky. If you don't want to add a Steel, I suggest putting EQ on Gyarados...Dragon Dance on the incoming Metagross, and then EQ. However, in doing that I also recommend changing your EV's. Although people know how dangerous Gyarados is, some people truly don't understand, due to not a lot of attack EV's. I would say screw the HP and defense, and just throw it in his attack. Keep a little bulkiness, but really Gyarados can hit a lot harder than people think. Overall, I can't really name one thing that can run through your team easily. Between prediction good type coverage, I think you may be set. Good job. ^_^