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NOC Smallstreet Mafia v2 Won by the Mafia (Clouds, Ehmcee, Dead By Daylight, Duskfall98)

Clouds said:
AP is near locktown or an actual legend at scum
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I agree. My post kind of sucked but it was unfiltered townspew.

Im kind of alarmed that flandrs thinks worse of me for it. Especially since flandrs thinks dbd/tommy are mafia and also thinks me/lechen are bussing them? Whenever I start to think I have a pulse on flandrs hes off in another direction.
 
AngryPidgeon said:
I agree. My post kind of sucked but it was unfiltered townspew.

Im kind of alarmed that flandrs thinks worse of me for it. Especially since flandrs thinks dbd/tommy are mafia and also thinks me/lechen are bussing them? Whenever I start to think I have a pulse on flandrs hes off in another direction.
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You've had one big scumping for me in a sea of towniness, that doesn't mean I've automatically slotted you in the center of my solve. Silly overreaction but it's probably for different reasons than Lechen at least so that's good
 
The other tinfoil is that Clouds/AP are paired and trying to hard carry each other in a raw display of masculine mental mafia strength but I'm not ready for that world lmao
 
Clouds said:
vote Duskfall98

wish i was here at all the last day cause there was so much that got to fly that shouldn't have at all. i'm pretty sure the wagons were tvt and wound up podracing for exactly that reason, and though i'm not committing to solving around that just yet, i've seen this story play out before

i'm slightly leaning towards 4 mafia too but it's far from a confident stance at this point, what's making you think that's for sure the case Ehmcee StupidFlandrs48? am i missing some context? if it has to do with commuter flipping, that's not a role that a mafia team of 3 has to choose all the time and there are merits to selecting from other high cost roles, that's way too insufficient of a reason to lock in 4 mafia

also one of the strange things to read back was how saber claimed DV out of the blue and then selfvoted when he had minimal heat on him, the way he phrased it almost read like he was told to claim it but maybe that's just because of how unprompted it feels. if it was anyone but saberslasher11 i'd say that selfvote could easily be more for show, saber i don't think does that as mafia unless it's decided upon in a mafia team chat
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If mafia don’t recruit they always pick vengeful it’s definitely 4 players scum team atp

Why are you voting me?
 
AngryPidgeon said:
Ugh if I don't babysit the thread and force good votes down people's throats, they will always mislynch town. FIRSTLY, I owe an apology to m2h. I should have showed up and engaged with you before deadline yesterday. I was doing something from 3PM onwards which made it difficult for me to be on (that is only weekends, so in general I will be on at deadline). But I have nothing but regrets for letting M2H get wagoned without my input. I don't regret my vote on DBD and I still think its a good vote.


Skippergamez's application to the North Atlantic Townblock Organization has been ACCEPTED. Congratulations Skipper. Any vote on Skipper will trigger an article 5 response. Current NATO members include:
AP, Alice, Skippergamez, Lechen

Founding members of NATO, our first order of business is to vote on whether or not to add StupidFlandrs48 to the Townblock. Please Aye or Nay, and keep in mind he must be 85% town to you for you to vote him in.

Lets talk about who is scum this game:
Duskfall98
If you think Duskfall98 is playing to a town wincon this game, think again. Whenever I am away from this game, contemplating it, and I happen to think about his collective body of work in the thread, I cant help but literally laugh out loud. To be entirely honest, he's been limping around the thread hemorraging scumtells ever since I called him out on his opening post on trying to fabricate counterfeit towncred. His posts are equal parts of the following: wifoming, clowning, fluffing, and paperthin scumhunting attempts. There is a very obvious reason for this: he has the word MAFIA in his role pm, likely bolded and red.

Sadly Duskfall's interactions with M2H looked "good" for him but do NOT be fooled. This was just him getting more comfortable in the thread because I had left. M2H again its 100% my fault for not being here to talk to you, but you gotta shoot DBD or Tommy every time there. If Tommy wants to ride or die on his misread of you, he gets shot. Now we're left in a world where he as mafia pretty much never gets lynched and cleanly coasts to endgame on his weird interaction with you. DBD is who I would have preferred shot because hes scummy and getting wagoned and even if he were town, which he probably is not, hes going to be a distraction down the line. IDK The Apricity shot was OK and tbqh I GET it. I too am annoyed that apricity decided to just not play the game despite the fact there were subs on the line. Ok maybe hes playing for a day two turnabout, or trying to feign a PR? IDK but it was annoying that a good player was just actively not playing the game.
Honestly though M2H should have been completely untouchable after his vengeful claim. He should have been unvoted IMMEDIATELY because of his claim. This is also why DBD was a good vote because we ended up voting off a role which is town 9 times out of 10 easily. Duskfall's comment that this role should be voted was well beyond incorrect. Why would I ever vote a role which mafia is unlikely to pick? Jalmont actually ruled pre-game that the venge-kill activates if the vengeful is NK'd. Personally not how I would mod it, but regardless, this is yet another reason to never EVER vote off the vengeful here. AGAIN, anyone who thinks Duskfall98 is playing to a town wincon is kidding themselves.

DBD
Not voting DBD yesterday will go down as one of the town errors of all time. The counterwagon was sus as hell, led by """townaligned""" individuals.

StupidFlandrs48
Bro, PLEASE work with me if you are in fact town here. To be perfectly honest, I think one of my big hangups with you is that I townread you when I read ToS and that ended up being wrong. I did in the very late game ToS realize that actually you could be mafia. My point is, my town game, sadly and no matter how much copium I huff, is mid-elo. My scumgame is actually insane. I have a healthy respect for your scumgame after seeing you in ToS. No I don't actually believe you are playing to what I saw of your scummeta and I don't like meta reads anyways. My point is that you are someone I will have a hard time trusting. All that schizo rant aside, nearly all of Flandrs posts do make me think he is playing to a town wincon. The way he reacted to my accusation that he was insistent on misvoting felt like he was genuinely hurt. His post saying he hates playing scum makes me a bit I do think Flandrs is town, I just wish he was town enough to be admitted to NATO.

Skippergamez
I did like Skipper's post which I read over the night phase. I am inclined to think Skipper is town this game. Also willing to sheep M2H on this read.

Ehmcee
Need more from Ehmcee today. The "townslip" post is getting stale and I can't remember anything he said yesterday other than he's a D1 pacifist (boo hiss). I am still inclined to think Ehmcee is town, but I'm downgrading this to a mehtown until Ehmcee actually engages with the town.
Pulsar
I do still think Pulsar is town here. You could call this one a gut read but I think she is just playing town who is having fun and not trying to hard to read people, but does still produce good content time to time which does not feel forced. So I like Pulsar this game, but I am downgrading a little bit because IDK. Some people do think Pulsar is scummy this game and its possible I'm putting to much faith in a gut read. I don't think I am, but I will concede I'm not totally sure here.

Saberslasher
Lurkscum. Very valid lynch today.

Electricity Cat
The guy likes his watermelons, what can I say. In the "maybe" townpile for now. Definitely not lynchable today.

NightEmerald
Ok so there is nothing concrete that makes me think he is scum. His posts do seem fairly carefree so far and he is providing content and offering links to games of his relevant meta. However, I don't think its a coincidence that me, M2H, and HH all independently got some gut read on NE. I'm listing NE as null for now but a little on the sus side.
ImaginaryNeon
NULL. I really don't know. He voted M2H over DBD which is a strike.

Clouds
Still likely town. I do have some small suspicions on Clouds. I'm sure he'll insist his DBD read is more nuanced, but he did kind of say "Its too scummy to be scum" which like come on. If you are town don't fall in that trap. IMO DBD is mafia. The M2H lynch actively hurt from a massclaim/solve PoV because Vengeful is a role that is nearly always town and still gets its vig when NK'd. I know you weren't online to see all this happen. I think Duskfall is playing like obvscum this game and I do somewhat worry about his interactions with you. The voices in my head want to interpret your interactions as like "ok we need to get the initial theater over with then get on to townreading each other" you know what I mean? But I am basing that on Duskfall being scum which it seems me and maybe Alice are the only ones who seem to be entertaining that opinion.

Best Lynches Today:
DBD, Duskfall98, Saberslasher

Acceptable Lynches Today:
NightEmerald, Neon

Welcome To NATO:
Lechen, Alice, Skippergamez

NATO vassal states:
Clouds, ElectricityCat

Please Consider Applying For Townblock Membership!
Ehmcee, Flandrs, Pulsar
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Second on the list goes to ap, congrats to you
 
ElectricityCat said:
First of all, apologies for not being able to post yesterday near the deadline when Pulsar recommended me to vote.

I was going to argue anyway that it was a bad idea because I didn't feel too confident. Even though it might seem like a big coincidence, my only suspicions were on M2H for having suggested the massive public claim. But you already saw that it wasn't mafia, which is why I preferred not to vote.
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Flanders you’re right I missed one! Close call Ty
Clouds said:
it's not an excuse from my end, it's more that i was frustrated that i wasn't able to be here because M2H's posts got so much better like legit hours after i was gone and i know that if i was around, i'd have been able to have a shot at helping steer things in a better direction. i wouldn't have voted dbd still, but i likely would've started a duskfall counterwagon or even hydro but i guess that's irrelevant now
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Why would you have started a counter wagon on me you agreed with the read on m2h when you left thread and now suddenly you wanted to cfd into me but conveniently were online? What changed
 
Page 38 still and I am really confused why clouds you are trying to push me as either alignment here, I know ap is too but obviously I know less about him

Like let me know if I’m being stupid, but to me I’m just town cleared never look at again till lylo of I’m still alive? Am I being dumb tell me if I am
 
Good morning!

Anyone has a bulletproof vest?

I feel like mafia could have used the massclaiming to get a free push on M2H. The players that joined the thread later and made me feel that way were duskfall, flandrs and pulsar. In case DBD flips scum I'm pretty sure one of these three is scum as well. I may be missing someone but these players were the most memorable ones for me.

In duskfall's case I feel like he was a bit too open about it? M2H townread and didn't shoot him. I trust M2H's earlier reads more than the later ones because he felt pretty cornered at the end and duskfall was one of the earlier reads. I got bad vibes from him yesterday but honestly the fact that M2H didn't shoot him scares me.

Flandrs is the least scummy from this list. I was fine with him before that and I don't feel like scum flandrs would do his 721 post knowing it would be wrong.

The fact that I have a hard time reading pulsar doesn't change the fact that she fits this too well.

Outside of that I'm getting bad vibes from lechen and clouds with these new posts from today. If they are partnered with one of the above I feel like it would be pulsar.

ElectricityCat saberslasher11 Dead by Daylight I'm interested in knowing your thoughts about the game, please when you have time post them!

I will reread M2H and HH posts. HH reads are above average and M2H is a pretty solid town member as well. I feel like the later read's toward the end were worse than the ones before due to the position he was in.

I will organize my thoughts about the others players later.
 
Alice Kazumi said:
I feel like mafia could have used the massclaiming to get a free push on M2H. The players that joined the thread later and made me feel that way were duskfall, flandrs and pulsar. In case DBD flips scum I'm pretty sure one of these three is scum as well. I may be missing someone but these players were the most memorable ones for me.
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The massclaiming conversation*
 
Vote Lechen
Self voting because I messed up with the claim (thought I could self target) and universal backup will get my role while mafia can't just kill someone random this night with a worse role and rb me tn. Of course, there is the possibility of universal backup being scum but I don't really think so because odd night tracker should be better imo
 
Lechen said:
Vote Lechen
Self voting because I messed up with the claim (thought I could self target) and universal backup will get my role while mafia can't just kill someone random this night with a worse role and rb me tn. Of course, there is the possibility of universal backup being scum but I don't really think so because odd night tracker should be better imo
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universal backup is already commuter right?
 
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