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Metagame SV OU Metagame Discussion v4
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Shaymin-Sky has no business being OU probably for the next 6 generations at minimum. Even now, the only counterplay to it is to be faster or use Covert Cloak. Garganacl can beaten without Covert Cloak, but Shaymin-Sky will force every balance team to use at least 1 Covert Cloak user since it is mandatory to check it with unlike with Garganacl, which would be incredibly unhealthy and turn the meta into a dumpster fire.
I don't know why Shaymin-Sky is being seriously discussed again. The post asked for a council quick vote, likely half as a joke. This is likely not to happen, and even less likely (read: zero) is an actual whole ass suspect.
this is exactly why we can't have nice things. one person makes an offhanded comment or a tongue-in-cheek joke proposal and, like clockwork, ten million shitters immediately crawl out of the primordial sludge unironically advocating for it, and i somehow end up being the bad guy for saying "we shouldn't bother considering this nonsense and here's an itemized list of reasons why"
skymin discussion over, we're talking about fezandipiti now
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https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9ou-2162778793 (definitely not me twice)
Also not above 1200
It was a joke :(
No way we got terrorism happening on the OLT ladder
Totally deserved, as long as the battles can't be hidden and there is a stupid bot signaling when one is happening (if it was just 1 of the 2 things, it would be fine), OLT is the worst individual tour by far. Hopefully people that play this trash tour seriously suffer a lot.
Smell case of skill issue from post above ngl mad coz bad 
Homophobic based insults in the OU thread is a new one. Do not approve! Let's talk about this:
Metagross @ Rocky Helmet
Ability: Clear Body
Tera Type: Normal
EVs: 4 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Def
Adamant Nature
- Stealth Rock
- Explosion
- Knock Off
- Meteor Mash
I've been having a lot of fun with Metagross as a lead recently. Its very nasty to physical rock setters and can be used to mash a big button before perishing. Tera Normal for the really fucking niche off chance I gotta click a very fat trade that I don't really have much other Tera use for. Tera Steel also have some fun calcs of just shitting shit like Scizor but much worse. It's funny!
Metagross @ Rocky Helmet
Ability: Clear Body
Tera Type: Normal
EVs: 4 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Def
Adamant Nature
- Stealth Rock
- Explosion
- Knock Off
- Meteor Mash
I've been having a lot of fun with Metagross as a lead recently. Its very nasty to physical rock setters and can be used to mash a big button before perishing. Tera Normal for the really fucking niche off chance I gotta click a very fat trade that I don't really have much other Tera use for. Tera Steel also have some fun calcs of just shitting shit like Scizor but much worse. It's funny!
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I also approve of metagross. Used it a few months back on a HO team with custap berry and e-quake instead of knock and it put in the work. I actually passed the team to somebody else and they won with it in 1800s, which I did not expect to happen.
https://pokepast.es/4b5545cbb0590699
This is the team if anybody wants to use it.
As it gets an Attack Boost from Meteor Mash (or even two boosts), Explosion can hit pretty hard coupled with Tera Normal, It has 87.5% chance to OHKO a Physically defensive Clodsire, otherwise it gets guranteed OHKOd by Explosion if it runs Specially Defensive sets. However, Clodsire might teralize into Steel, trying to predict Psychic Fangs and resisting Explosion (However, if still gets OHKOd by a Tera Normal Explosion on a critical hit, but it will not OHKO Clodsire if it is physically defensive).
That Metagross set is the METABOOM set from UU, to deal with Air Balloon Gholdengo, it must run Knock Off instead of Bullet Punch. On the Choice Scarf variants, Metagross takes serious damage from Gholdengo's Focus Blast if it is under Normal Tera, having 6.3% chance to get OHKOed by it (62.5% Chance if Gholdengo runs Modest nature).
That Metagross set is the METABOOM set from UU, to deal with Air Balloon Gholdengo, it must run Knock Off instead of Bullet Punch. On the Choice Scarf variants, Metagross takes serious damage from Gholdengo's Focus Blast if it is under Normal Tera, having 6.3% chance to get OHKOed by it (62.5% Chance if Gholdengo runs Modest nature).
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The Metagross set you've mentioned with Custap Berry is interesting and has some potential in the Gen 9 OU metagame, but there are a few considerations to keep in mind:
- Custap Berry Usage: Custap Berry allows Metagross to move first when its HP drops below 25% in that turn. This can be crucial for pulling off a surprise Explosion or finishing off a weakened opponent.
- Move Choices:
- Explosion: A powerful STAB move that allows Metagross to go out with a bang, dealing massive damage. It's particularly effective against opponents that might otherwise wall it.
- Earthquake: Provides coverage against Steel-types and other Pokemon that resist Explosion, such as Heatran and Excadrill.
- Bullet Punch: Priority STAB move that helps pick off faster threats or weakened opponents. Useful for revenge killing.
- Meteor Mash: Primary STAB move that also has a chance to raise Metagross's Attack stat, making it even more threatening.
- EV Spread: The spread of 160 HP / 252 Atk / 96 Spe with an Adamant nature seems designed to maximize Metagross's offensive capabilities while outspeeding certain threats. The HP EVs likely provide bulk, while the Speed EVs may allow it to outspeed specific threats at base 70 Speed or less.
- Potential Adjustments:
- Nature: Consider Jolly nature if you want to outspeed more threats, especially those in the base 80 Speed tier after investment.
- Coverage: Depending on your team composition and the current metagame trends, you might want to adjust moves like Earthquake or Bullet Punch for different coverage options like Zen Headbutt (for Fighting-types) or Pursuit (for Psychic-types).
- Team Synergy: Metagross with Custap Berry functions best when it can capitalize on surprise factor or when you have ways to weaken opposing Pokemon to activate Custap Berry reliably. Teammates that can weaken walls or handle Metagross's checks (like Fire-types and bulky Ground-types) are beneficial.
didnt know you were a chatgpt enthusiast pineco
Not pointing any fingers at anybody, but this ChatGPT comment makes me want to state something for posterity as a general rule of thumb: please do not use AI to write your posts.
For those wondering why, beyond just simple courtesy, ChatGPT and similar AI software’s data collection and synthesis methods regurgitate already publicized and stated information, worsened by not really understanding the nuance involved with specific subjects. Thus, this makes ChatGPT incapable of sharing any truly original thought. Set choices and the dynamics certain Pokemon have with one another in the context of specific game states/matchups are omitted completely, since you’re only going to be dealing with aggregated surface level information from surface level sources that cause it to generalize what it finds. This means that effectively you’re going to just get meaningless slop for your post that adds nothing no matter how you slice it.
Obviously, nobody can really say who is using AI to generate posts or not in an objective fashion. But, for the sake of actually having discussion that actively adds insight and builds knowledge bases, using AI to make your post isn’t going to provide anything of value. So, please don’t. Thanks!
ChapGPT is also liable to regurgitate false but accurate-sounding information as if it's true. For example, the 96 Speed EVs have absolutely nothing to do with speed creeping other base 70s. They are instead about creeping adamant base 50s such as Kingambit and more relevantly for UU Ursaluna.
I sense A.I…..
Just wanna add to this that it's also explicitly against global rules, so it's not just a common sense/courtesy/obviously-going-to-suck thing.
I get that AI seems convenient, especially if English is ur second language or whatever, but whatever it outputs will be slop, so just… don't…
I'm going to assume the Metagross GPT post was done in good faith amusement, given a few weeks ago we had a sling of posts that started from (was it Vert?) the GPT rap about why Darkrai had counters in OU.
That said, posting the global rule is certainly helpful as let's be honest, fewer people have probably read them than should have.
That said, posting the global rule is certainly helpful as let's be honest, fewer people have probably read them than should have.
The rap is wildly different than this and was accompanied by unique content. Apples and oranges.
I fully expect sub kyurem to dominate wcop and olt because kyurem is pretty busted and the ability to fish for freeze and special defense drops behind a sub is actually super filthy. Makes darkrai getting a dark pulse flinch look tame in comparison when kyurem can roll the dice to freeze with freeze dry or drop special defense with earth power.Underrated Threats I Expect To See In OLT
Specifically DD kyurem. DD special had a moment but physical has kind of taken a backseat. I predict more icicle spears will be coming our way.
OR
Depending if kyurem gets a lot of usage we will probably see either A (no kyurem) or B (lots of Kyurem). To expand on this I think calm mind users are underrated right now as special bulk that also hits hard can be tough to take down
Bulk up tusk is a bit underrated right now and all it needs is an unexpected tera type. How about fairy?
Tera AV Iron Crown is also a pretty good Darkrai answer as it is something that can 1v1 Darkrai if it teras and capitalize on that. It also doesn’t do bad into Kyurem but fears having to deal with Kyurem special defense drops from earth power or getting frozen.
I think sub Kyurem will likely dominate and put itself back on the ban radar is my guess because the amount of headaches sub kyurem can cause sounds really stupid in a tournament setting.