It does. I wish I saved the replay. They even used a white herb to prevent the speed drop
There's literally another person who ran into the same strategy as I did and mentioned it previously
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There's literally another person who ran into the same strategy as I did and mentioned it previously
Asking because no one likes to answer, what is a consistent Kyurem check?
Glowking can take one hit from specs and is a freeze risk (don’t lie to yourself and say it’s a consistent switch in) and is set up fodder for every other set.
Gliscor has to burn Tera to force it out and even then can’t beat every set.
Zama can deal with it once with roar before getting too low.
Glowking can take one hit from specs and is a freeze risk (don’t lie to yourself and say it’s a consistent switch in) and is set up fodder for every other set.
Gliscor has to burn Tera to force it out and even then can’t beat every set.
Zama can deal with it once with roar before getting too low.
You said it perfectly. Gambit would still be serviceable even without SO, but SO is the reason why many want him banned.
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If you're asking for consistent Kyurem checks, they're in the same place my girlfriend is in; our imagination. Nothing will counter every single Kyurem set, and you'll have to accept the fact that eventually, you will see a Kyurem set that catches you off guard and you'll lose. But hey, it does answer a defensive core that hasn't been that good since several months, so I guess it makes it fine. But fear not, there's pokes that can answer a few sets:
Iron Crown is your best friend. As long as you're switching into it's STABs and not Earth Power, you threaten with a potent Steel STAB. One that hits twice, so it's further insurance against SubTect sets. Slowking-Galar can adorne an Assault Vest and be a sturdier answer to special sets, but if you face a physical set...ggwp. pretty much anything faster than Kyurem can entertain beating it, or at the very least force a Tera. Enamorus, Zamazenta, Ogerpon with Play Rough, Dragapult (Infiltrator will bypass Sub, so that's fun), Darkrai and Iron Valiant. You also have looser answers like Air Balloon Tinkaton, Scizor and even Assault Vest Samurott-H as potential answers, or to at least soften it up for your teammates. Whatever that's worth. Or, y'know, just pick stall and have so many walls that you can answer Kyurem on multiple fronts with pokes like Dondozo, Blissey, Clodsire, Corviknight and such. If it's a set that lacks Boots, hope you can set up hazards. And when I say that, do so with something good. If you expect Kyurem to die just because you set Rocks and it still fries you, that's expecting Hazards to do too much.
Again, none of these can answer every single Kyurem set one on one. Dealing with it is basically a team effort, like with other things. It's a game of finding out what set it has and reacting accordingly. It won't always pay off because Kyurem does what it always does, but at least you can feel better about it knowing that you tried answering it to the best of your abilities
I made a post a few years back about why I felt Cinderace was borderline broken in SS and it had to do with contact moves. I don't see Cinderace getting banned back then if it had to rely on Flare Blitz as its STAB of choice (yes, I'm aware every move was its STAB of choice) Flare Blitz is often the go to attack for Physical Fire attackers and for some reason ,high level players always gravitated towards the 90% accurate Pyro Ball
bunch people laughed but I feel it's what is pushing Ogerpon over the edge currently and the reason why Gambit wasn't banned this time around.
bunch people laughed but I feel it's what is pushing Ogerpon over the edge currently and the reason why Gambit wasn't banned this time around.
Thanks for the answer. Idk how anyone enjoys the meta rn. I think you’re at a serious disadvantage playing anything but offensive playstyles.
That's SV for ya. It feels intentional. It sucks that you can have two Mono [instert type here] types facing each other and if they both Terastilize into their own types only the Offensive Mon gains anything from said Terastilization
Everything after Gen 2 feels Half Assed. I wish they coulda been able to stack types and Dual types were able to have a 3rd type for this game at least
best way to deal with kyurem isnt just throwing on some guys that cancel out a specific set because that doesnt exist. dealing with kyurem in my experience is just playing aggressively and limiting its opportunities to set up, tera, and sweep you. passively playing is the #1 way to get absolutely slaughtered by any competent kyurem player. also a lot of kyurem sets can basically be determined from preview, specs is almost always paired with gking cinderace, ho runs physical dd/mixed mostly etc
Well, the main thing is you have to figure out if it is special or one of the DD variants. So it isn't one check, but at least 2 that you usually need. Some will say that skilled players can tell based on the team comp, but this is only partially true. Pinkacross even had a video where he had the same basic teams with different Kyurem sets at highladder and no one was able to guess the sets in time. But there are a couple tricks you can use.
First, hazards and sometimes team comp can tell you if they are boots or not. Boots sets are generally a bit less threatening. Rocks also limits the amount of times non-HDB Kyurem can come in. So it's useful for teams with any sort of offensive pressure or phasing.
Because the special sets have more immediate wallbreaking power, it is generally better to first assume they are special until you see the DD. So you switch in the special wall first, and then you go for the answer to the physical set.
However, this requires that you then have a proper switch into the DD sets at +1 or so. Another issue is the variance of DD sets, which could abuse Tera Blast, be mixed, or even a stalling set. Personally, it is the variance of the DD sets that pushes me over the edge with it. If the DD sets could be relied on to be purely physical damage, it would be a lot easier to counter this mon.
I find that forcing Kyurem out at least once is something you really need to be able to do. If you have phasing or force it out with offensive pressure, you can force a reteat after finding out a little information about what set it is. Then it is easier to deal with it. Like Roaring it out with Zama once can be enough if you know what it is.
As for things that counter every set, nothing really does. The closest thing I saw was AV Scizor with Mola Wish support. Iron Crown isn't a counter, but it can take an Ice move and threaten it back. Corv can sometimes be an answer, but because it is only neutral to Ice moves, it really depends a lot on the respective sets. There is also Bronzong, which can do that and a couple other handy things, but mostly is trash otherwise. Another very niche mon that I have been experimenting with Orthworm, but this needs more testing and, even if it turns out ok, may only be decent into DD variants.
In general, you want to look for Fire or Steel types that don't lose to Ground coverage. Most Water types don't cut it because of Freeze Dry and Ice types just aren't a good enough defensive typing. Most Thick Fat mons are too low tier for OU, have inconvenient typings, and/or rely on other abilities like Azu.
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I made a detailed summary of SupaGmoneys thoughts on countering kyurem on post 14,288. It has replay examples of identifying sets and lists of counters that you might find helpful.
There's also a lot of high elo builders and forum/discord support. It might be more helpful to ask a specific team related question.
Levitate Bronzong's right here btw
A few notes about my goat:
Bronzong has trouble answering Tera Electric variants of DD. Bronzong is also cheecks unless you use it on Stall (I think). If Ubers players ain't using bread dog to counter the bycicle, then OU players not using Bronzong to counter Daddy Freeze Dry seems consistent.
The most value Bronzong has otherwise is being used as an "erm, ackshually" in Kyurem discussions, and whatever cool stuff it's up to in the lower tiers
Every playstyle is viable right now. I'd argue Bulky Hazard Stack, a playstyle that DEFINITELY isn't all-out offensive, is the #1 playstyle right now. The false rumors that "gen 9 is just HO" are so goddamn stupid and all of you guys need to stop posting this shit.
lol no gambit has a way better typing (11 goddamn resistances and ghost res + steel in one is crazy) it's just that bolt has a pivoting move and draco meteor and actually decent speed whereas gambit is completely reliant on sucker to have any speed at all
I pm’d you asking for a team. Not saying the meta is all HO, but I think it’s a little disingenuous to say this generation doesn’t skew offensive. Tera by its nature is a more useful tool to offense since it can be used simultaneously offensively and defensively.
When I said this, how come you laugh reacted?
I love they cut recovery PP but I wish PP woulda been cut down overall
nothing. thats why it should get banned
Read this, thanks for the suggestion. It seems like we’ve sort of failed if a Mon that basically needs the entire team to counter it is still in the meta.
Also Slowking is a fraud specs switch in. It takes 42% from ice beam+ freeze risk and gives Kyu a defense boost on the switch out.
gking + roar molt should give you enough coverage vs every viable kyurem set unless your opponent gets hax and freezes one of your mons. but one of the easiest ways for any playstyle (besides maybe stall) to deal with kyurem is to play very aggressively with your offensive guys and force it out as frequently as you can; kyu's HP is extremely valuable but its lack of reliable recovery leaves it very susceptible to getting worn down by entry hazards. that combined with the fact that it struggles to trade favorably into many of the tier's most common offensive options (pult, zama, valiant, etc.) makes this a suprisingly effective and consistent form of counterplay vs kyu teams
Main way is just to stack half-checks. Spdef corv, spdef molt, glowking, AV crown, AV etc, mola for physical sets, etc. It's not too hard to do this because corv, molt, gking, and mola are FANTASTIC mons for bulky playstyles ESPECIALLY on bulky hazard stack. I unfortunately don't have teams because kyurem sucks!@ and all my teams I built during the ban period are kyu weak, but I'm currently workshopping a spdef moltres + gking balance and it doesn't seem too kyurem weak rn. Will update if I remember
Kyurem checks?
Once upon a time there was a guy called (Mega) Scizor that was able to Roost. Kind of didn’t care what Kyurem did. Then Gamefreak took that away.
Scizor can still check Kyurem but only softly now. Iron Crown and Jirachi (lol) also work.
Best bet for Kyurem is to keep your hazards down and speed tiers high. It can’t do too much damage vs offensive teams.
Once upon a time there was a guy called (Mega) Scizor that was able to Roost. Kind of didn’t care what Kyurem did. Then Gamefreak took that away.
Scizor can still check Kyurem but only softly now. Iron Crown and Jirachi (lol) also work.
Best bet for Kyurem is to keep your hazards down and speed tiers high. It can’t do too much damage vs offensive teams.
Always the bugs dropping in to check the fuck outta Kyurem, hell yeah
Also fun fact! Bulky Hazard Stacks often run Pokémon such as Iron Valiant, Zamazenta, Low Kick Weavile, Gking, Corv, Moltres, Tera Steel/Fairy Gliscor, etc! Play bulky Hazard Stack!!@ IT'S SO FUCKIN GOOD RN WHAT ARE YALL DOING PLAY BHS IT'S LITERALLY JUDT SCOR + SINIS/GHOLD + ROCKER + WEAV/DARKRAI + 2 SLOTS IT IS FREELO
From what I saw during the grace period prior to Kyuremgate, Gking was used about as much as usual. Trust me, Kyurem getting axed won't make the remnant of SS OU get used any less.
Also, Kyurem was 100% needed to check ZapKingLu. After all, what other pokemon can be used to counter a core that hasn't been great at top level in months? Clearly, wallbreakers like SD Gliscor, Ogerpon-Wellsrping and Cornerstone, Weavile, Nasty Plot Darkrai, and more are simply not enough to keep this core in check, hence, the pokemon that's impossible to answer reliably was necessary to keep. If you disagree with this, well shit, I guess you just like stallfests like SS OU is apparently full off
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Calling SS OU, the metagame where weavile, pult, and melmetal are top 5, a stallfest, is just a complete misunderstanding of the tier.
Also weavile, plotrai, waterpon, and SD scor absolutely annihilate zapkinglu lmao like what wtf does this core do into these mons other than pray static procs and weavile gets full parad on gking