im sorry the demons r coming out airslash is SOOOOOO BUNSSSSSSSSSSSSSS on yard its unreal it only gets usage because people drool on themselves and want to click the buttons that match the colors like actual lab monkeys roost/focus/scorching sands are so much better and hard invalidate air slash because what the fuck are you planning to hit airslash with in this tier? zamazenta? just click fucking weather ball like a warrior
pex is a pretty consistent check, i dunno what mons contend for "hardest" chardy check of all time but spdef pex is able to take anything from yard while healing it off with regen. it forces yard out all the time as nobody likes toxic
I'm not saying Air Slash is good it's just something you have to keep in mind if you're gonna make a team that is facing the ladder, and we'll see if some use it in NDBD too (I doubt it tbh):
SpDef Pex is another consistent check, yes
all yard variants with airslash hard lose to common threats in exchange for getting to click yet another attack bc its a wallbreaker bro!!!!!!!!!!!11
I do not know why you're saying this to me when I already said Air Slash is sub-optimal lol
exactly, like i agree that air slash yard is dumb and bad, but half of all yards are running it, so you're kind of obligated to prepare for it (even if that preparation is "load normal things because half the meta beats air slash yard"). it's like how you had to factor in mega banette back when every shitter and their grandma was running it—even though it was bad and everything beat it if you were using even a single brain cell, you had to at least keep in mind that it was going to be there
its to say that if ur opponent is running airslash they have completely crippled one of their best pokemon for fun and it is now easily beatable by a slew of extremely common mons AND any form of passive damage. ever. thus, if your opponent has airslash yard, it is not scary at all since it lacks a core option and you at worst get cheesed by airslash on kommo and then claim their mega slot or, (because most yard cores make very good use of its sun w/ bolt and tusk at a minimum) you now freely prevent those other pokes from reaching their intended potential over the course of the game because yard is easily snipeable
you beat mega banette by switching in a normal type or by clicking wisp/toxic. it was not some all-consuming teambuilding godking that devoured unprepared teams whole, it was dogshit because it could click 3 buttons and HOPEFULLY die. yard is actually top4 without airslash, so making the equivalence to one of the worst mons in ndou history is just misunderstanding what makes a pokemon threatening versus just having a really shitty team
So, you brought Kommo-o as a check to take advantage of Mega Charizard Y. Cool. It cheeses you with Air Slash, now what?
I’d definitely agree. A Moltres over zapdos could be good, but that makes you weaker to hazards, on a hazard stack team with no removal.
kommo-o has a niche due to typing and ability. useful typing allows it to check threats like chardy, kingambit, victini, and woger. the dark resistance is especially useful as kingambit is sometimes found in conjunction with chardy, and u pretty much check both in one slot. the role compression is great, and u can even wall gholdengos that arent running z or mir due to ability. basically, u can run whichever checks u want for ur team, but kommo-os typing allows it to answer other threatening pokemon that ur other chardy checks may not do well against.
the absolute absolute absolute best thing you can do against yard is stealth rocks. keep them up. use them. remember, yard can't hold boots, so it desperately needs hazard control if it wants to come in more than one time; a well-built yard team will have at least two forms of hazard control. to address this, cover these mons in the following order of importance:
this will be on virtually every competent team with a mega charizard y on it, so it's absolutely mandatory to have at least one answer to it, ideally more
pretty niche, but if she shows up and you don't have a good way to address her early in the game, you have very little hope of setting rocks just an all-around fantastic and dependable mon that you should be covering already. often runs defog when paired with yard
fairly common as a secondary spinner (sometimes even a primary) because of its great matchup against some of yard's best answers, in particular raging bolt
another jack-of-all-playstyles mon that you should almost always have something in the back for
spdef moltres tanks weather ball and focus blast like nobody's business, is immune to scorching sands, and might as well be immune to solar beam. air slash isn't a worry either because it does the same as weather ball (not very effective 150-power stab is the same as regular effective 75-power stab, barring maybe a one- or two-hp difference because of rounding and whatnot—this is concrete proof that yard doesn't need air slash, seriously folks just run better coverage). the only way yard can come out on top in this matchup is by either running ancientpower (don't do this) or not clicking mega and having sand up so it can use rock weather ball
with some hp investment, bolt can switch in on anything except scorching sands; with an assault vest, it can switch in on sands too. thunderclap is the bane of yard's existence if it's not running roost, but the priority isn't strictly necessary because a lot of the time bolt can just tank a hit and kill. drought works against yard quite a bit in this matchup
multiscale lets dragonite shrug off yard's strongest hits, set up a ddance, and 2-shot with +1 ice spinner. if you're packing roost, you have the potential to stall out the sun turns and set up multiple dragon dances
probably the best offensive answer to yard that we have. even though the main thing it does on this matchup is revenging with stone edge, it can tank a hit in an emergency—if it's healthy, even weather ball (or shitass air slash) doesn't ohko
the classic "the pex" set can switch into a scorching sands, tank a second one, and click toxic. you do have to switch out after this, but putting a mon with limited switch-in opportunities on a toxic timer is significant progress even if that's all pex does. if you get the pex in safely through slow pivoting or something, you can 1v1 yard by just clicking toxic and spamming recover
setting rain fucks up half of yard's moveset. if you catch it while it's clicking solarbeam you force it into a charging turn and you can kill it right then and there, so the simple presence of pelipper in the back can deter yard from clicking the move. just keep in mind that pelipper's special defense is made of papier-mache and the dreams of children, both of which are easily broken, so even a resisted non-stab weather ball will chunk it, and if you're on ladder you have to watch out for people running air slash. but even if pelipper takes significant damage, gimping solar beam and changing weather ball's type expands your pool of switch-ins significantly
sand setters fuck up the same half of yard's moveset that pelipper does while also not giving weather ball an extra 1.5x boost, which seriously cuts into its damage output. like pelipper, the tyranitars' presence can be a deterrent to clicking solar beam because they get a free stone edge kill if it does. the tyranitars are very scary to a lot of yard sets because of their supereffective stab and pursuit-trapping capability, but they drop like flies to focus blast if it hits, so either scout focus blast properly or sink a ton of investment into spdef. hippowdon is a fat fuck and can just bulk through anything yard does and click rocks
another offensive answer that can in a pinch switch into a non-solarbeam hit pre-mega. bonus points for outspeeding and killing tusk and seriously threatening bolt—under ideal conditions, mega diancie can 1v3 the entire gangsta's paradox core
if you still want to play stall in natdex for some reason, these (and pex) are gonna be your premier yard answers. they blank anything that yard throws at them and can set rocks on the switch to limit its future opportunities to come in. these blobs are some of the most consistently effective things against yard that we have available, but they're very limited by the playstyle they're pigeonholed into
they might be a little on the niche side, but these may very well be the hardest yard counters we have. they've got the typing and bulk to tank all of yard's good options, they outspeed it, they have recovery, they get calm mind if you want to set up, they kill pretty easily, they're great into tusk and can slot in draco if you want to beat bolt too, etc etc etc. there's very little that yard or the gangsta's paradox core as a whole can do against one of these two if it's built right
Well, let's look at both metas. Back when tera was still around, a big majority of defense mons were running defense dragon for stuff like yard which just so happened to help with shifu too. In general, mons like mola and pex are also big Urshifu-S counters, but in reg ou, pex isnt that strong since it lost toxic and scald and mola does not have toxic, therefore they arent able to just out a timer on Urshifu-S or ruin it with a scald burn. The kanto birds are also way more prevelant here, and while yes, Urshifu's tera water surging strikes hit like a truck, it would still suck big time if your Urshifu-S procced static or flame blody.Kyurem is also big, as with tera, kyurem would take a cc and ko back with freeze dry. Iron Val has actual e-terrain in here, so it can come in multiple times during a game and get the +1 speed from qd. If you surging strikes while your opp into ferro, you just lost half of your hp while taking like 10% of ferro's hp in return. Urshifu is strong, there's no doubt, but its very managable
they don't have to run air slash. a resisted weather ball does the same as a neutral air slash without the miss chance. and it follows that a neutral weather ball does the same as a supereffective air slash. the only scenarios where air slash would be needed are when weather ball is compromised for some reason (such as bulletproof or opposing weather), or when a fire immunity/double resist is in play, or when something resists fire but is weak to flying. even in most of these scenarios, yard can either get by with other coverage or doesn't want to stay in anyway. do not run air slash on mega charizard y
>they have to run air slash
I, being the evil monster that I am, will not stop running Air Slash Charizard! I will flinch your Moltres's and OHKO your Kommo-os and NO ONE CAN STOP ME!
Roaring Moon.you know you... Body Press the kyurem, right?
Galarsola!
