Bro watches too much blunder. Also why did so many people put ting-lu on the survey? Isn't offense already dominant enough?
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Metagame SV OU Metagame Discussion v4
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I wouldn’t be upset if Rilaboom was somehow gone for whatever reason. The amount of bullshit it enables is excruciatingly painful even if it’s not terribly problematic on its own. People cry about how Woger can just mash Ivy Cudgel after Tera but nobody talks about how Rilaboom can do the same thing and with priority.
Zapdos, Moltres, Pecharunt, Corviknight (and most steels for that matter) are all good switchins. Woger on the other hand has quite literally no safe switches
Hazard stack complaints. The reason for concern with Ting-Lu is how easily it can stack up Spikes, while also dealing fairly hefty damage to the opposing team with the combination of Ruination and Earthquake, so it's a super reliable progress maker in two different ways.
So, only unintuitive fatmons/stallmons. Got it.
Opposing Woger, Araq, Gunk Shot Cinder, Clefeeble, Kingambit and Dragapult (kind of), Raging Neck, Zamazenta, and of course Rilaboom.
Exactly! I think mono poison is a decent defensive typing if you remove the Ground weakness.
Moltres sees occasional play on Stall, but saying it's stuck on it and fat teams is crazy. And Zapdos flat out sucks in Stall
Notice how all the listed pokemon are either offensive checks or lose to certain coverage moves Wellspring can and does run
woger, araq, and fable all drop to whip, and only the dragons like taking a cudgel besides that
Opposing Wogers and Araquanids get blown up by Power Whip, you are never switching in Cinderace on Wellspring, Clefable and Gambit get smashed by Tera Cudgel anyways, Dragapult and Raging Bolt get destroyed by Play Rough (most common coverage move), Zama doesn't want to take it either, and Rillaboom can't really switch in. Let's try thinking before we post next time.
my fav part about rilla is how it gets ohkod by +2 whip after rocks
yeah, there's also the minor issue of rilla LITERALLY MAKING IT STRONGER
Nah. Grass has a ton of resistances. Iron Moth double resists Grass. So does Dragonite. Most Dragons can at least take one Woodhammer from full. Zamazenta doesn't resist Grass, but it can live a Woodhammer or multiple Grassy Glides. Hydrapple double resists Grass. Okidogi is niche, but occassinally sees usage in OU. Iron Crown can live a GG easy. Lokix and Scizor have sometimes seen use in OU and they beat Rillaboom.
See this page?
https://www.smogon.com/dex/sm/types/grass/
That gives you the type matchups for Grass. You can choose any of the 7 resistances under Weakness for the Offensive Effectiveness section and search showdown for mons of those types. As long as you don't get one that is neutral due to stacking a resisted type with a weakness, you'll have something that resists Grass STAB. You can either go for a bulky and/or defensive mon or a faster mon with a resistance to outplay GG. Seriously, Grass is one of the easiest types to defend against in the game.
It does make me sad that there wasn't enough support for Tera Blast. I really do think it would solve a lot of problems people have in the tier, but I suppose we have to go by what the people want. Let's see if Kyurem will get banned again, I guess.
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I mean, it's not like this is the same as school grades. What has been the record highest enjoyment/competitiveness rating including past generations? That should effectively be our 100%.
Iron Moth, Dragonite, Dragapult, Gholdengo, Kingambit, Roaring Moon, Raging Bolt, Kyurem, Iron Crown, Cinderace
not that big an issue, just use phydef emax etern. Now, since we should prob discuss somehting about the meta in the meta discussion thread, what are yalls thoughts on defog punishers as opposed to just ghold? ive been messing around with kilowattrel on one of my hstacks, encore base oger is a pretty well recognized mon, and ofc theres the two gamblers serp and enam with the evasion boost
Rilaboom used High Horsepower
Rilaboom used Knock Off
Rilaboom used Low Kick
mfw:
the Iron Moth outspeeds me and kills me with Fiery Dance or Sludge Wave
the Iron Crown hits me with a Tachyon Cutter and 2HKOs me while I don't kill it / watches as I do barely anything with Band Glide
High Horsepower isn't even used often on Rillaboom
the Dragapult outspeeds, uses Wisp and now I do 0% to anything
the bulky Ghold Recovers on my Knock / watches as I do next to nothing with Band Glide
the Iron Crown still doesn't die and 2HKOs me
the Roaring Moon uses Tera Flying and wins the game
the Kyurem outspeeds and kills me
Low Kick isn't used often on Rillaboom either
seraphyde the master baiter strikes again
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Waterpon is not getting banned. Kyurem is not getting banned. Neither is Tera Blast, or Kingambit, or Gholdengo or anybody else. I don't think any major metagame bans are going to occur after this point. The dissatisfaction for the current metagame and overtly broken threats are just not there for it.
Some of you have this dream that we can one day have fresh, thriving, diverse balance structures in this tier. I recommend you give up, as I have. As long as tera is here and the current hazard chokehold with ghold and co exists, we're always going to be funneled towards bootspam structures that have been thoroughly explored already. Banning waterpon, kyurem, tera blast, etc will not save balance or improve the tier. All you're doing is taking away the few tools HO has left to beat ting-lu BO.
Tera was never going to allow defensive playstyles to thrive. There's simply too much to account for. So if you all want to embrace tera, you also have to embrace offense, and work towards ensuring that HO stays as viable as BO. Balance is a lost cause, and if you try to save it by banning wallbreakers, you're just going to end up with a dominant BO+weak HO+weak balance metagame. I would prefer if a variety of playstyles were at least roughly equally viable.
All of the above are my predictions based on my teambuilding experience and subjective opinions on the metagame, none of this is some objective unshakable truth. Nothingeverhappens.jpg
Waterpon is not getting banned. Kyurem is not getting banned. Neither is Tera Blast, or Kingambit, or Gholdengo or anybody else. I don't think any major metagame bans are going to occur after this point. The dissatisfaction for the current metagame and overtly broken threats are just not there for it.
Some of you have this dream that we can one day have fresh, thriving, diverse balance structures in this tier. I recommend you give up, as I have. As long as tera is here and the current hazard chokehold with ghold and co exists, we're always going to be funneled towards bootspam structures that have been thoroughly explored already. Banning waterpon, kyurem, tera blast, etc will not save balance or improve the tier. All you're doing is taking away the few tools HO has left to beat ting-lu BO.
Tera was never going to allow defensive playstyles to thrive. There's simply too much to account for. So if you all want to embrace tera, you also have to embrace offense, and work towards ensuring that HO stays as viable as BO. Balance is a lost cause, and if you try to save it by banning wallbreakers, you're just going to end up with a dominant BO+weak HO+weak balance metagame. I would prefer if a variety of playstyles were at least roughly equally viable.
All of the above are my predictions based on my teambuilding experience and subjective opinions on the metagame, none of this is some objective unshakable truth. Nothingeverhappens.jpg
Why should the objective of tiering be to make balance good?