sacred sword mmx isn't really that good and it'll die to innards. and you say you don't need to let ur wall breaker die and can switch out, but if it can't attack due to the threat of innards what is the point. and prank zygarde isn't a check to harvest slak unless it techs slots for it like core enforcer which can have it's pp drained.
Oh thanks for enlightening me I need to learn more about Pokémon.
no it's not even that. if you see a non imposter chansey you can't really attack because of the threat of innards out and you will be required to sack something to it and ur opp will only let u sack the mon that is the most threatining to their team. my point was balance will need to rely on it's wall breaker to win (like mmx) and it's partners often can't win by themselves.
Indeed, this is why I think many balance should run MGar MGuard Secret Sword (or MMX False Swipe)
and false swipe mmx means you lose valuable coverage + no one runs it and opp can just make sure chans isn't infront of mgar, and mgaurd mgar is easy to wall coming back to my point from before
Imo these are still the best mons to counter innards effectively (no pp stalling) in Balance.
yeah and that's also why i was saying harvest slaking semistall outclasses balance as it can actually run mg pursuit and slak beats everything
with NG SC)Your only WG mon is Dialga which has mid Spe bulk (100,100) and doesn't resist Moongeist. Therefore, since this team is balance I think MAud or Melo would be really good in this team.View attachment 714260View attachment 714261View attachment 714262View attachment 714263View attachment 714264 Any ideas to round out my team? (Preferably a WG Mon to not insta lose to
take this with a grain of salt as i'm not an amazing player, but there are some things i noticed when looking at this teamAny ideas to round out my team? (Preferably a WG Mon to not insta lose to
https://pokepast.es/36daf84553d76073 this is how i would run team. slowbro > dialga bc slowbro improofs that pdon set and lets u run v create which is nice as u nuke steelix at +0. gar is pbond so you have speed control for offense and it gives gar immediate power which seemed important as pdon is set up and queenly majesty does nothing for u. i added muk to round it off bc it generally synergises nicely with mbro and improofs gar, sturdy is for fissure immune as there is no innards. scarf blis over eviolite chansey bc otherwise hp kart runs this team over. core enforcer > taunt on zyg as the anti harvest tech bc taunt is a speedtie with imp and reflect allows zygarde to wall most physical mons in the game which is more valuable then pshot.View attachment 714260View attachment 714261View attachment 714262View attachment 714263View attachment 714264 Any ideas to round out my team? (Preferably a WG Mon to not insta lose to
Thank you all for advice :D
Ok, I see the vision but isn’t it PURE hackmons? It would be really hard to ban something like this because of the nature of this teir.
The Endless Battle Clause exists in PH as well, it would be possible to add "a Pokémon with twice the same move" as a stale condition without banning it (I believe).
Sorry can you elaborate on a tale condition?
I believe Guysmash meant a "stale condition". The clause works by checking whether both mons are stale (mons with Recycle/Pick Up/Harvest + Leppa Berry are automatically stale, and a mon affected by Heal Pulse, Floral Healing, Entrainment and Skill Swap are also considered stale).
Chansey: S -> S+
Necrozma-Dusk-Mane: A- -> B+ Deoxys-Speed: Keep in B
Shedinja: UR -> Blacklist
Mega Houndoom: C -> B+, at the very least B
Umbreon: B+ -> idk but B+ is probably too high
Magearna: B- -> C (possibly UR)
Regigigas: B -> UR 
Pheromosa: C -> URI do agree a lot except for MHoundoom :It's been a while since I last did VR noms, so here are some now. A new full personal VR will probably be coming after PHPL.
Regular VR
At this point we can all agree that Chansey is a clear #1 in the meta, and while it's no RBY Electrode or SwSh Eternamax, I still think it's worthy of the S+ rank. It's the most splashable Pokémon in the meta, both in Innards and Imposter form, and it's often quite hard to tell which set it's running on team preview.
I haven't seen or used this for a while, and to be honest, I don't think it's on the same level as the other A- stuff. The Huge Power sets are just outclassed by Kartana if it's not running Solganium Z, and without sash, Solgaleo is often preferred for more bulk (and, to a lesser extent, speed). The reason I'm not suggesting for it to be any lower is because other sets, like Harvest, are still ok.
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I do mostly agree with this, and I would nominate No Guard Deo to C or D. But No Guard isn't its only set. I haven't tried Comatose, and while it seems ok, it's not the reason I'm suggesting it not to drop. Mold Breaker hazard leads are actually good enough for it to stay in B imo. While it only works on non-psysurge/spam HO teams, it is quite effective on said teams, as it's the best way to reliably get webs and rocks up, and it punishes teams which rely on Magic Bounce to keep hazards off, especially HO teams.
Now that this garbage is finally off the VR I think we should put it in the land of Burn Up Fire-types. And yes, I have said Shedinja should be blacklisted before, but I'm saying it again because it's the change that needs to happen the most imo. I'm not even gonna explain how bad it is because I (and other people) already have. Yet last month, it still beat Kartana, Ashgren, Slaking, Mega Gyarados, Mega Audino, and more in usage on the whole ladder. It's the biggest noobtrap in the meta. The main argument against blacklisting Shedinja is that it "technically has a tiny niche on stall teams".
If you are not running Focus Sash, Shedinja dies to every offensive Pokémon.
If you are running Focus Sash, Sturdy is a wasted ability, since most teams either have 2 Pokémon that can hit it or are stall teams.
If you are not running Sturdy, you would probably run Prankster, so it can Destiny Bond something after it loses its sash.
This might seem like a genuine niche at first. But then you realise: any other Pokémon can do this, and if they get chipped without clicking Endeavour, they can still use Destiny Bond, while Shedinja cannot. They could also have some utility, like absorbing Toxic Spikes. So if you ever want to consider adding Shedinja to your team (not that anyone outside of low ladder would want to), consider running Level 1 Bulbasaur, Gastly, or Salandit instead.
TL;DR: Shedinja is completely outclassed by F.E.A.R.
Wonder Guard VR
It's a known fact that I'm a believer in Mega Houndoom. Ever since I first decided to use it for some unknown reason (possibly the same reason hendrit used WG sweeper Magnezone), I've found it to be a decent WG Sweeper. It's not that much weaker than Ash Greninja, it can run Revelation Dance instead of having to use the weaker Dark Pulse, and its secondary STAB is a lot better than Ashgren's. It's also one of the few WGs immune to Photon Geyser and Bug and Fairy-type moves (unfortunately that means it can't run Insect or Pixie Plate). And no, this isn't just me seeing something that looks good on paper and saying it's good; I have used it and it's better than most of the stuff below the A subranks. The only reason I'm not nomming it any higher is because the weakness to Stealth Rock and Fissure is quite problematic sometimes.
I have NEVER seen this outside of Eeveelution teams. While it's (surprisingly) bulkier than MGyara both physically and specially, not resisting the best attack in the meta and not being able to do decent damage (Pursuit doesn't even 2HKO MMY switching out) make it very hard to justify using it over the latter. I still respect that it has a niche though.
I've only seen this on Cats and Rabbits, and I've only seen Cats and Rabbits like 3 times. I don't even know what it does, since it's weak to Fissure and only resists one Mold Breaker move.
Just use Arceus. The extra attack barely matters. The only reason I'm not nomming Slaking to UR is because it at least has more HP for Wish. Feel free to share your opinions on what I said.
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Feel free to reply to this and share your opinions on what I said. this is bolded because it won't let me unbold fsr
sure, it's pure hackmons, but endless battle clause still exists and this should 100% trigger it
i think that for a mon to get S+ it should be truly centralizing to the point where not using it puts you at a disadvantage. Chansey is obviously a very good mon, and there isn't a single other mon in the game that constricts you in builder as much as chansey, but i don't think it's centralizing enough to be S+, simply because chanseyless builds are extremely potent, and bringing chansey can give you less slots for what your team actually needs.
while this may be true, ndm still has quite important rolls that make it still a very good huge power imo
blacklist should be for things that see a lot of discussion, especially from newer players, yet have no niche. shedinja by definition doesn't fit this because, as you said, it has a niche, not a big enough niche to deserve being ranked, but even having this niche means it shouldn't be blacklisted imo
I was screwing around with wg sweepers i knew would be shit. I also used wg sweeper pidge, though i don't mention that as much because it performed worse than zone did. pidge is the highest spatk moongeist immunity (this is unfortunately genuinely true, special normal mons suck), and magnezone is a selfproof that can run stab sunsteel due to quad resisting it (whereas sunsteel kart gets ohkod by imp if they crit)
+2 252+ SpA Houndoom-Mega Revelation Dance vs. 252 HP / 252+ SpD Meloetta: 414-488 (102.4 - 120.7%) -- guaranteed OHKO
the extra attack makes it less passive, allowing it to smack things with decently powerful knocks, uturns and pursuit. i agree that slaking is better but regigigas is still fine as a pure normal wg because it can hit harder than arceus, and is mostly better into special mons than slak
While we're on the subject, here's another set that can in theory cause an endless battle but I don't believe is currently blocked by Endless Battle Clause:
yes chansey is the #1 mon. it's very splashable and finds itself on most good teams but you can definitely get away with not running it and some teams benefit from the extra slot so i don't think it is s+ worthy but it's definitely above everything in s- so imo it is s rankIt's been a while since I last did VR noms, so here are some now. A new full personal VR will probably be coming after PHPL.
Regular VR
At this point we can all agree that Chansey is a clear #1 in the meta, and while it's no RBY Electrode or SwSh Eternamax, I still think it's worthy of the S+ rank. It's the most splashable Pokémon in the meta, both in Innards and Imposter form, and it's often quite hard to tell which set it's running on team preview.
everyone flames deo speed but imo it isn't as bad as it is made out to be. it is good against ho because it outspeeds everything and those teams usually can't fit 2 wgs so they struggle more to sing ng. diancie gets to be b+ for being good against offense so why shouldn't deo s. scarfed it also outspeeds many +2 sweepers.
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I do mostly agree with this, and I would nominate No Guard Deo to C or D. But No Guard isn't its only set. I haven't tried Comatose, and while it seems ok, it's not the reason I'm suggesting it not to drop. Mold Breaker hazard leads are actually good enough for it to stay in B imo. While it only works on non-psysurge/spam HO teams, it is quite effective on said teams, as it's the best way to reliably get webs and rocks up, and it punishes teams which rely on Magic Bounce to keep hazards off, especially HO teams.
i agree. even tho it has a niche that nothing else can do (prank sash recycle and sturdy) it's obviously terrible and blacklisting it will hopefully deter new players from the trap of using it.
Now that this garbage is finally off the VR I think we should put it in the land of Burn Up Fire-types. And yes, I have said Shedinja should be blacklisted before, but I'm saying it again because it's the change that needs to happen the most imo. I'm not even gonna explain how bad it is because I (and other people) already have. Yet last month, it still beat Kartana, Ashgren, Slaking, Mega Gyarados, Mega Audino, and more in usage on the whole ladder. It's the biggest noobtrap in the meta. The main argument against blacklisting Shedinja is that it "technically has a tiny niche on stall teams".
If you are not running Focus Sash, Shedinja dies to every offensive Pokémon.
If you are running Focus Sash, Sturdy is a wasted ability, since most teams either have 2 Pokémon that can hit it or are stall teams.
If you are not running Sturdy, you would probably run Prankster, so it can Destiny Bond something after it loses its sash.
This might seem like a genuine niche at first. But then you realise: any other Pokémon can do this, and if they get chipped without clicking Endeavour, they can still use Destiny Bond, while Shedinja cannot. They could also have some utility, like absorbing Toxic Spikes. So if you ever want to consider adding Shedinja to your team (not that anyone outside of low ladder would want to), consider running Level 1 Bulbasaur, Gastly, or Salandit instead.
TL;DR: Shedinja is completely outclassed by F.E.A.R.
I always wondered what you put on that MMT Y
