this made my blood pressure rise and made me light headed to watch in real time
thanks! I'm still unsure why they opted for fang but i guess if you really wanted to make sure something dies slowly its prolly the best option then in terms of raw chance
That's a cool team. I was thinking of really any team with snow and a Slush Rush user. For example, I've been trying out this team with Sandslash-Alola.Define slowking snow. I carry a slowking on my aurora veil team to help with weather wars and keep kyurems defense up. But never without a ninetails as well.
I may give grassy offense another go (I wish breloom got grassy glide)
Kyurem 6-0 off lead LMAO
https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9ou-2315680177
Hey I actually played you! That set scared the SHIT out of me and I kinda loved it. Happy to see you reached high for it!
Well, glimmora and iron moth don't really want to deal with Toxapex as surf chunks them heavily. Iron Treads doesn't really want to switch into Toxapex either, and Kingambit you can just Haze away the boosts while gaining Rocky Helmet Chip on it (which is the item I used when trying out Toxapex).
https://pokepast.es/df9fc6d7f171a9b9
Thanks for the shout out! Ogerpon is a real thorn, When I was using it lots what id try to do with mola was wish when they switched to ogerpon (they always do), then go Gambit or zamazenta, you end up basically at full after ivy cudgel and you pressure them out - you can do this forever with good positioning but they can't, especially with sand or rocks, the chip really adds up.
It’s just you. It’s still at like 1000% usage.
So what you are saying is it runs through 90% of teams? How is that not banworthy? Also having priority isn’t always enough, don’t forget it resists sucker punch and grassy glide, and the bulkier sets can even take non resisted priority like dnite espeed and even cb tera bug lokix first impression
Ogerpon is tough but like I said earlier theres consistent ways to beat it, and it really can't do much against the constant sand chip.
Hazard weakness and no easy entry are the first things that comes to mind, but it's also vulnerable to status. I guess I kind of take back what I say about Moon being able to run through every team. What I meant to say is that Moon can theoretically run through those teams, but it has so many moves that it wants to run that its not an automatic win against those teams. It is unquestionably worthy of the suspect, but the fact that very common glue mons like corviknight, landorus, and tusk can soft check or beat non-bulky sets, and bulky sets aren't powerful enough to one-shot things that can threaten it with status or phasing like moltres, zapdos, and ting lu, makes it not so unbelievably obvious that its completely broken to me. I compare it to something like SD Gliscor which I think invalidates more teams on preview than Moon.
2nd (26%) - 8th (21%): pretty big difference here. Kingambit is still a top 10 mon in both settings but on the ladder he's simply too easy to plug and play. In tournament he seems a bit less dominant.
5th (19%) - 12th (16%): Valiant also drops compare to ladder. A staple of ladder HO, he faces more challenges in a thinking environment.
6th (19%) - 3rd (29%): The DPOY for the season shows his true strength when the games mean more.
10th (16%) - 17th (12%): The ladder loves landorus this is known.
11th (15%) - 22nd (9%): Ive said enough about him.
12th (15%) - 8th (21%): Underestimated on ladder, theres a reason he's in suspect talks.
14th (14%) - 4th (26%): See roaring moon
28th (7%) - 15th (13%): Balance goat clef is on a heater recently
32nd (6%) - 19th (10%): Kinda similar to clef, really excels in a slower environment.What do you think makes Kingambit less dominant in tourney play? Is it just a combination of tournament players preparing more and competition from other strong darks?cross posting from spl thread
Analysis: Usage Differences between SPL and Ladder
Our ladder usage stats are weighted around a 1695 rating, signifying decent players. However SPL is the domain of better than decent players, so let's look at the difference in pokemon usage between the two. These are just what stood out to me
Ladder Usage vs. Tournament
What do we think about these differences?
To me it's just that the top level players aren't surprised by him anymore. Every single high level team is built with Kingambit in mind. Zamazenta and Great Tusk hold two of the top 5 spots. To add to this, building teams for tournament can encourage a level of the unexpected. Loading the same Kingambit + Iron Valiant squad every single week might be ok for ladder play but if your opponent can check your replays and see what you're going to bring then you have to mix it up or end up facing a direct counter team. Of course 8th is still strong so its not like he's bad there, just not as good as 2nd best pokemon in the meta.
Something else that contributes here, I think, is that these tournament stats also include upticks in Ting-Lu usage, Moon usage, Garg usage, i.e. things that can come in on Ghost moves and make progress. There are other moving parts here too (Samurott-Hisui is more popular on ladder, Weavile is a bit more common in tournament), but overall I think it's at least worth mentioning that Ghost-types have been so good and so versatile all generation long, and besides being a deadly cleaner Gambit has always been a really splashable option as an offensive Ghost check. Part of the numbers here are shifts in preference as to the kinds of late-game sweepers people favour on their offense teams, but part of it is probably also a shift in which Ghosts offense views as the most common and most dangerous threats, and part of it is also that if teams are favouring other Ghost resists for other valuable niches they can offer, there's a bit less room for Gambit overall.
cross posting from spl thread
Analysis: Usage Differences between SPL and Ladder
Our ladder usage stats are weighted around a 1695 rating, signifying decent players. However SPL is the domain of better than decent players, so let's look at the difference in pokemon usage between the two. These are just what stood out to me
Ladder Usage vs. Tournament
What do we think about these differences?
#5 at 21.27718% #16 at 12.96719% #4 at 21.52833% #18 at 12.50892% #1 at 31.09270% , , , , but remember ladder data is from February, while SPL counts up until yesterday. Track for example Roaring Moon usage in SPL from Week 1 onwards: #21 -> #11 -> #6 -> #3, with something similar happening with Clefable and Garganacl.
I think its important to highlight that tournament play involves counterteaming and techs that dont translate to ladder since you need a consistent team to perform. Moreover, its helpful to look at the data from the upper side of the ladder. Data from 1825 only February:
This is more similar to the stuff from SPL. There are still big disparities with
To me the data just highlights the meta keeps changing ever so slightly which is good. Players try new things and the rise of Tera Fairy Roaring Moon, Pecharunt and Gliscor has also lead to Pokemon like Scizor and Weezing-Galar seeing more usage. Unsure if the likes of Double Dance Gliscor Screens or Manaphy teams will be able to stick in ladder, or if Torkoal could make a return with such different types of sun in ladder between Comfey, Ceruledge, Scizor. Ribombee has also been making a return, so maybe Araquanid will drop next shift due to shared usage? We'll see
