i didnt diss any members lol I was pointing out how since chi yu has been banned half the council has retired and that we have never thought to retest it. I provided evidence to disprove the claims made my glitchedThis nonsense is being taken way more seriously than it deserves. Aco2’s argument is mainly based on the fact that the council members (who he shaded personally for no reason? like what?) during the ban are no longer on the current council.
Taking a moment to remember that Pokemon is a game played with Pokemon and not Smogon Members, it can be observed that the only major new hurdles for chi-yu are wellspring, raging bolt and probably hoodra. This issue is not even that all of these mons share a lot of checks like hands, max def luna, drago. It’s that they all win the matchup by statchecking chi-yu.
It is still very clear that the traditional ways of blanking strong attackers still fail against chi-yu. There is no way to setup on chi-yu. There is no way stall it out after tricking it. There are very few custap users that can reliably fight back. There is 1 subseeder that can handle most (but not all) chi-yu sets.
You can say that the sets jumping through 6 hoops to beat bolt/pon/prim are bad (and they likely are), but the reason that Chi-Yu is still able to do this against nearly the entire vr is indicative of a deficiency. Almost all of Chi-Yus checks can only give it 1 turn of action at most and they live or die on whether or not their move kos. The counterplay (and counter-counterplay) remains the same despite the passage of time.
Anyway I took the bait like a chump. Let’s go back to real 1v1 now ^_^
I didnt even mention (for the most part) the good ground types/ rock types/ fighting types that beat this thing like boulder and a-hisui)