NOC Town of Salem 2 Mafia: Revival - WON BY THE MAFIA AND THE WITCH

I think it would be very smart for mafia to force a 50 50 on themselves because this game is in an eternal state of "if we mislynch at any point we lose" assuming nightkills go off
 
joey said:
I have a crackpot theory actually

Tell me if this is stupid or disproven somehow

Nobody claimed witched day 1, this means that either an evil was witched and didn't claim it or Roxie was witched and died.

If we consider the world where Roxie was witched n1, they could be any visiting role and don't have to be doctor

I think this opens up several possibilities but the one on my mind is this:

Roxie was Archer. We know DBD, Alice, and Roxie all visited the same target so that would result in no Archer kill. Celever and Lechen are BOTH fakeclaiming TK because they know that no matter what one of them is going to be cleared when the other flips evil, because there has to be a TK

This explains why both Lechen and Celever seem to have results that have direct contradictions with the other actions
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I would be utterly stunned if the witch is able to redirect someone to target themself at all, but even if they could their action would surely fail if it's not a doctor or an arsonist using the clean action so roxie wouldn't visit themself.

Ehmcee
1) can the witch submit an action that would force a player to target themself, or does it have to be two different actions
2) if the answer to the above question is yes, would an action that cannot usually target itself visit itself if it were controlled by the witch
 
Celever said:
I would be utterly stunned if the witch is able to redirect someone to target themself at all, but even if they could their action would surely fail if it's not a doctor or an arsonist using the clean action so roxie wouldn't visit themself.

Ehmcee
1) can the witch submit an action that would force a player to target themself, or does it have to be two different actions
2) if the answer to the above question is yes, would an action that cannot usually target itself visit itself if it were controlled by the witch
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two different players in the witch's action* for question 1 end
 
Celever said:
I would be utterly stunned if the witch is able to redirect someone to target themself at all, but even if they could their action would surely fail if it's not a doctor or an arsonist using the clean action so roxie wouldn't visit themself.
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Roxie was transed into the kill which means they would've been transed into the witching as well
 
joey said:
Roxie was transed into the kill which means they would've been transed into the witching as well
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I guess that's true

we also don't have a witch claim on N3 I'm currently running under the assumption AirC was witched and just forgot to claim it though lol. we know that des wasn't because her transport still provably fired where it should've (iirc, I looked at this earlier) and I don't think mafia actually have reason to fakeclaim being witched unless maybe the kill carrier?
 
joey said:
Fwiw that scenario could result in Roxie being mafia too
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wait that's actually true as a totally separate thing altogether

sure, if roxie was witched (or even without that, just kill carrier who targeted Hydro) they could be mafia

that's actually kind of annoying for solving but it also gives us a numbers advantage if true as a buffer anyway
 
Celever said:
I guess that's true

we also don't have a witch claim on N3 I'm currently running under the assumption AirC was witched and just forgot to claim it though lol. we know that des wasn't because her transport still provably fired where it should've (iirc, I looked at this earlier) and I don't think mafia actually have reason to fakeclaim being witched unless maybe the kill carrier?
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Des's trans was AirC and Ecat, meaning that if AirC was witched (and forgot to claim it) that would mean the witch initially targeted a transporter which doesn't really make sense
 
Celever said:
I would be utterly stunned if the witch is able to redirect someone to target themself at all, but even if they could their action would surely fail if it's not a doctor or an arsonist using the clean action so roxie wouldn't visit themself.

Ehmcee
1) can the witch submit an action that would force a player to target themself, or does it have to be two different actions
2) if the answer to the above question is yes, would an action that cannot usually target itself visit itself if it were controlled by the witch
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1) yes
2) visiting roles will visit themselves, but their effect will not take place if there is some kind of limit on their ability
 
joey said:
Des's trans was AirC and Ecat, meaning that if AirC was witched (and forgot to claim it) that would mean the witch initially targeted a transporter which doesn't really make sense
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eh true, but we still had 3 alive transporters at this time and ECat was nommed by Hydro as his second in command, a witch could do that just to be goofy under the assumption that ECat gets transported lol
 
Celever said:
eh true, but we still had 3 alive transporters at this time and ECat was nommed by Hydro as his second in command, a witch could do that just to be goofy under the assumption that ECat gets transported lol
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Fair enough it would be kinda crazy but I can see the logic

AirC forgetting to claim witched is defo more questionable than the possibility of him being witched
 
also fwiw, even if Roxie were a janitored archer, there are a lot of reasons why both me and Lechen claiming as we have is bad

the main one is that Lechen still gets found at some point because he never kills anyone, which if I'm claiming veteran is a totally pointless risk. especially because I run the same risk.

at max one of us would claim a safe role and one of us would claim a town killing role because there's also 3 random town and one of them easily could've been town killing (maybe it still is if Lechen is town lol) so it's a BIG send for an only maybe 50/50 down the line
 
lets be honest, in this universe if there were only one town killing claim everyone would've forgot about Roxie or not considered that possibility for like the entire game lol

you've only come up with the theory because it's a point of friction between alive players, it's p abysmal strategy not to try and just full send the towncred on one individual player
 
I also don't rly think celly is scum due to his claim- (why would he claim a unique role that kills rather then retri or smth)
 
Celever said:
lets be honest, in this universe if there were only one town killing claim everyone would've forgot about Roxie or not considered that possibility for like the entire game lol

you've only come up with the theory because it's a point of friction between alive players, it's p abysmal strategy not to try and just full send the towncred on one individual player
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Yeah this is actually pretty fair if only one person claimed TK they'd probably be hard cleared at this point even if Roxie really was TK
 
Lechen said:
Because if i misshoot i can kill town/not be able to kill in future
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well you only have to do it once to prove yourself and you've still got a holstered shot

ik how it is to want to holster shots, me and Hydro planned the assassination of AirC together (except he wouldn't tell me who I was tryna kill, and I also requested specifically not AirC LMFAO) so it's weird that you never tried to? just get Hydro to get no one to target the member of the PoE you're trying to shoot and then you're only shooting the intended target or someone who betrayed town orders and is probably scum
 
Celever said:
well you only have to do it once to prove yourself and you've still got a holstered shot

ik how it is to want to holster shots, me and Hydro planned the assassination of AirC together (except he wouldn't tell me who I was tryna kill, and I also requested specifically not AirC LMFAO) so it's weird that you never tried to? just get Hydro to get no one to target the member of the PoE you're trying to shoot and then you're only shooting the intended target or someone who betrayed town orders and is probably scum
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If i misshoot i lose both shots
 
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