NOC E.G.O Wielders Mafia - A 17P Role Madness (Game Thread) - MAFIA WIN

Man I wish Smogon had slightly better code for multiquoting and ISOs. It works but on MS it was so seamless.
NightEmerald said:
You going for wis reads to me like you’re trying to vote her for deepwolfing
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Because shes being active? I feel like your statement here is because you think shes town therefore a scumread on her would be that shes deepwolfing. I dont really see where the deepwolf thing is coming from. I would only use that to describe someone like perhaps you ironically who bussed Realiti out of the blue. I wouldnt describe anything Wisteria has done as "possible deepwolfing".

Im kind of disappointed I was hoping for something a bit more detailed here other than "Dude trust" and "mindnmeld read". The deepwolf thing feels like you have a forgone conclusion and then are painting my read on Wisteria with that bias.
 
AngryPidgeon said:
Man I wish Smogon had slightly better code for multiquoting and ISOs. It works but on MS it was so seamless.

Because shes being active? I feel like your statement here is because you think shes town therefore a scumread on her would be that shes deepwolfing. I dont really see where the deepwolf thing is coming from. I would only use that to describe someone like perhaps you ironically who bussed Realiti out of the blue. I wouldnt describe anything Wisteria has done as "possible deepwolfing".

Im kind of disappointed I was hoping for something a bit more detailed here other than "Dude trust" and "mindnmeld read". The deepwolf thing feels like you have a forgone conclusion and then are painting my read on Wisteria with that bias.
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dude the evidence wasnt “dude trust” it was “wis has been solving consistently and it’s easy to see if you do the work” if you really need to be spoonfed ill do it in like 2 hours but like.

Don’t paint me as the one acting in bad faith when you can’t be bothered to reread the person you apparently sr
 
NightEmerald said:
Don’t paint me as the one acting in bad faith when you can’t be bothered to reread the person you apparently sr
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Im not trying to paint you like anything. You arent obligated to spell anything out for me but you have been the biggest defender of Wisteria.
Ive been rereading and providing commentary on multiple people.

I care to ask you because you two have been cross defending each other and its a dichotomy I find interesting. I dont have the cross-site info you do about Wisteria so Im somewhat hoping to get some juice from you.
NightEmerald said:
see you then
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I assumed this post was you responding to me and saying that you would engage with me about Wisteria today. And sure you have said something but now you are telling me to figure out myself, which tells me perhaps you really dont care at all if I try to push Wisteria.
 
Ok des is at least doing something and it looks a bit real so I wouldn’t vote her rn

skippergamez said:
Fuck I accidentally deleted my whole NE iso

Basically in my eval, NE had some glaring holes:
He never provided a read on Flandrs. 220 was a glaring part of this. His first part of d1 centered around Flandrs and it just never ended in a read. Specifically, the concerning part of 220 is “so much so as forcing a conflict between the two [Flandrs and AP]” and then NE forces a conflict between Flandrs and himself. And then 600 he gives examples of bad reads from Flandrs and then never really uses the bad reads to form an opinion on Flandrs.
The other hole is his Celever progression, we go from
222: “Celever looks really good from how they approach ck”
270: “As I see it celever is playing into the role of a spectator which doesn’t really affect his position in the thread”
489: “re:celever vote I’m interested in that I think celever’s really not been proactive wrt solving”
601: “wow this guy has been shockingly unproductive despite how many posts they have”
726: “The problem is that so much of your posting just doesn’t really do shit?”
So like the jump from 222 to 489 is kinda alarming

So like these two holes make me very weary; however, the rest of the iso I felt like it came from a town perspective overall and not the way scum would be playing.

Also, to follow up with my Evie vote on d1

Welp AF can’t anymore can she
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I think this mini case on NE just to go “the rest of his iso is towny so idc” is villagery from skipper, it’s completely useless and counterproductive for W!Skipper to do this and I don’t think skipper likely would go out of his way to devil’s advocate himself unprompted as scum
ImaginaryNeon said:
This feels odd because I find it strange for someone being scrutinized for a lack of content to try baiting a pocket, especially from someone who has now flipped town.
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Eh I still think it’d be unlikely for S!Evie to even think of approaching someone from an angle of trying to reaction bait a pocket, unless we wanna stretch and say she was coschrd
NightEmerald said:
their vote on me could maybe be excused as bot knowing me, their vote on hal reeks of laziness and just hopping onto the wagon at hand
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I thought neon was fairly villagery d1 and think I still trust myself enough to commit to that macro read for now, but I do have to agree that neon’s hop onto apricity is definitely something.
 
joey said:
I like this post a lot and it's potentially changing my opinion of skipper from yesterday

At the least, I'd say I'm more sus on NE than skipper while yesterday was the reverse

I do think there's a chance where skipper/NE is s/s and this is bussing but it's probably not worth exploring this just yet
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As town NE is usually quite happy to engage and sometimes just goes off on little tangents. I thought he looked more town yesterday, but D2 he feels like defeated? Like he suspects his days are numbered since he was the biggest CW on Day 1 that got away. If Wisteria is town and NE is scum then I could also see him maybe feeling exhausted cause its hard to maintain that sort of buddy relationship as T/S with someone you know.
skippergamez said:
222: “Celever looks really good from how they approach ck”
270: “As I see it celever is playing into the role of a spectator which doesn’t really affect his position in the thread”
489: “re:celever vote I’m interested in that I think celever’s really not been proactive wrt solving”
601: “wow this guy has been shockingly unproductive despite how many posts they have”
726: “The problem is that so much of your posting just doesn’t really do shit?”
So like the jump from 222 to 489 is kinda alarming
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I dont really see a jump in NE's take on Celever but it is kind of fence-sitty throughout. I want to check what the VC was around post 489 because that is when NE kind of started pushing on Celever.

222:
NightEmerald said:
Celever looks really good from how they approach ck but I feel like misunderstandings can be kiiinda easy to fake, wouldn’t vote them but would like to see them
interact with more ppl
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This starts out as "really good" but also could be" easy to fake".

270:
NightEmerald said:
As I see it celever is playing into the role of a spectator which doesn’t really affect his position in the thread if you flip town or scum, if flandrs flips town now, sure id 100% look into celever because the time worn trope of tvt while scum lets it happen is a thing but i don’t really think voting celever off the rip is a good idea w/o more words in the thread.
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Cele is a "spectator", which "doesn't affect his position in thread". Im not 100% sure who the other T in the TvT was which Celever was 'letting happen'. I assume the "you" in this post was talking to Flandrs but he also refers to Flandrs in the 3rd person immediately next sentence so Im not totally sure. I do think Celever was being somewhat antagonistic to Flandrs and he wasnt really hiding that.

489:
NightEmerald said:
re:celever vote I’m interested in that I think celever’s really not been proactive wrt solving and positioning wise theyre in the spot that no vote really has people putting focus on celever so much as other people (mostly me tbh).
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Suggesting that Celever hasn't been solving. I suppose NE was scumreading Celever here but he also said immediately after that Celever's interactions with Fairy looked town.

Overall pretty hedgy. I dont necessarily agree with skippergamez that NE changed his opinion on Celever but he was decidedly ambivalent or fence-sitty for most of his Celever analysis.
 
des121 said:
I like ap posts from the beginning and all to way now.

Hal - generally good reads so far.
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Ugh. Its hard for me to digest this cause I know Im town and Im also the only person who applied much pressure to you (voted you).
And the people you like are me and Apricity whom Ive been arguing with.
I could see why our argument would come off as T/T to you (and maybe it is).

Since you commented on me and Apricity what do you think about M2H since he has primarily been engaging with me and Apricity today?
 
AngryPidgeon said:
Ugh. Its hard for me to digest this cause I know Im town and Im also the only person who applied much pressure to you (voted you).
And the people you like are me and Apricity whom Ive been arguing with.
I could see why our argument would come off as T/T to you (and maybe it is).

Since you commented on me and Apricity what do you think about M2H since he has primarily been engaging with me and Apricity today?
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I don't know because it's not a lot of info to go on
 
AngryPidgeon said:
Ugh. Its hard for me to digest this cause I know Im town and Im also the only person who applied much pressure to you (voted you).
And the people you like are me and Apricity whom Ive been arguing with.
I could see why our argument would come off as T/T to you (and maybe it is).

Since you commented on me and Apricity what do you think about M2H since he has primarily been engaging with me and Apricity today?
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In which quote are u asking
 
CrreamyKitty said:
I think this mini case on NE just to go “the rest of his iso is towny so idc” is villagery from skipper, it’s completely useless and counterproductive for W!Skipper to do this and I don’t think skipper likely would go out of his way to devil’s advocate himself unprompted as scum
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I would like to know where Skipper's reads are at generally but I hear you on the "and the rest of the ISO is town" part of his post being a light town indicator.

CrreamyKitty said:
I thought neon was fairly villagery d1 and think I still trust myself enough to commit to that macro read for now, but I do have to agree that neon’s hop onto apricity is definitely something.
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Ya if Apricity flips town, vote 3 on the wagon to remove him could be from mafia. The wagon analysis shouldnt be done until we have more information though.
 
des121 said:
In which quote are u asking
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Which M2H quote? (I quoted your post).

M2H said:
it either means ap or hal are mafia or the mafia are trying to imply that that is the case.
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M2H said:
i do have to say that hal coming into the thread and immediately pushing one of the power players in the room and ignoring the tracker claim fully kinda rubs me the wrong way. plus there is still the whole thing when hal was saying "i don't want people to sheep me and am just gonna post reads" that did not feel authentic to me.
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M2H said:
And to circle back on the power players comment -- you are the one that is always complaining about getting n1'd and you've been playing in such a way to avoid being n1'd so you do definitely think about power levels in game. In fact you look like you're about an inch from voting AP as it stands so clearly that level 1 NKA has some merit to you from that lens.
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Basically this stuff. M2H thinks Apricity is mafia because he wasnt NKd. Im kind of surprised hes going for Apricity over me, but I do think M2H has a hyperfocus on certain players, of which Apricity is at the top of that list, so M2H would naturally tend to make this case probably as either alignment. If M2H is mafia then maybe hes trying to preempt me/Apricity from applying similar logic to him.

Apricity said he thinks NK analysis is bs (which is wrong) but I think the idea that Apricity ever gets NKd after making a big case on Celever is 0% chance.

Basically M2H is big on resolving the me/M2H/Apricity block which is currently where we are headed so Im curious what you think about that too
 
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