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NOC Tracker Jailer Follower - Game Thread - Day 5!

Peum said:
yo ngl I was gonna vote but I didnt check the time and I assumed the votes would close later lol, u can check that I always posted at like 9 am to 4 pm here so mb guys
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no problem. can you please place a vote the next time you post in this thread?
AirC said:
Rereading thread, I legit didn't know deadline was so soon my bad xd
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no problem. can you please place a vote the next time you post in this thread?
 
genisu said:
as celever said the best time to bus des would be d1, and it could be u or dbd
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Celever also said how you handle des isn't alignment indicative d1 and u turned when she actually flipped scum. Not sure you want to tie your horse to that carriage

Dbd was also the next closest wagon to going through, so dbd probably would've jumped on the des wagon out of naked self preservation anyways
 
If you are dbd and the votes are 2--2-2 with you as one of the 2s you are probably going to vote one of the other two players in danger instead of sticking to your guns regardless of alignment, especially when the other two were des and pulsar with zero posts
 
Celever said:
I'll respond to the rest in a bit but nah

why were you townreading Miyami YESTERDAY, when your posts stated you were. This is pre-flipping again if this was your logic yesterday because we didn't know des was scum yet

please towncase Miyami in the context of D1
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this is a little more of a strong argument to me; while it seems hard to believe dbd is scum cel's making some case for it and tbh dbd's defense feels like a scum defense
 
phoopes said:
I didn't post much day one, but I contributed just fine IMO. I stayed consistent with behavior/thoughts from previous games (advocating for lynch>no vote, advocating against lynching des just because she's des, advocating for getting rid of inactives, advocating against early claiming), and at least tried to bump thread for more activity when we were close to deadline. I guess it was more of the same old me! Other than questioning jalmont for his initial no-vote, but that's because I never played with him before so I didn't know that that was a "thing" or whatever.
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well let's just not revise history here, you made like 6 posts, with the content being 1. let's vote and 2. let's vote pulsar for afk.

maybe that meets other people's bar from contribution; it doesn't meet mine.

the issue here is that you defended a player who has flipped mafia and your vote was on an afk player who couldn't/wouldn't defend themselves. that's a really easy wagon for a mafia to start/hop on if they are going to defend their teammate because it's really easy to be like "oh lol can't believe they were actually scum!" "just a harmless vote haha!"

your posting today has been much better though
 
phoopes said:
The more I typed this post the more I became convinced that you're both town. Calling for a ceasefire between the two of you (lol) so we can focus our attention on hearing more from other people (like AirC, ShyPebble, and genisu) like I mentioned earlier
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i think this is a pretty reasosnable take, town/town would make some sense. scum doesnt have to speak up if two town are fighting as well which would explain how long very l;title has happened. though probably time zones dont hurt
 
phoopes said:
tbh my biggest scumread is AirC but like I said would like to see more

thinking this because while I also defended des, AirC spent multiple posts doing so while still qualifying that they weren't defending des that much (calling the "great" game not so great)

also related my initial read on genisu was scum, but I always have that inkling and he's not acting really differently than normal, so I suspect that means genisu is town. and AirC was pushed by genisu a bit and made a little cheeky comment about genisu's pushing to possibly throw us off the scent

also also I don't like the AirC post from today so far, the "oops deadline" when it was very obvious as well as saying they'd reread then not post anything

so yeah may be a bit grasping at straws but there's very little content in the thread so that's what I got as far as my biggest scumread
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putting a pin and isoing later
 
Celever said:
I'll respond to the rest in a bit but nah

why were you townreading Miyami YESTERDAY, when your posts stated you were. This is pre-flipping again if this was your logic yesterday because we didn't know des was scum yet

please towncase Miyami in the context of D1
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I find it difficult to believe scum opens their posting by just saying “let’s policy vote this person”. Not only is it an extremely unpopular opinion, you gain a lot of mistrust even if you try to get off of that view (see: Jalmont’s reaction to #90).
 
Celever said:
like I am fully tunnelled

I think dbd vs des being svs is so likely that I can't move forward with the game until that universe is resolved right now. like I said, I'm trying to get DBD to convince me otherwise and he's swatting away every lay up so I'm only getting more tunnelled lol
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i think this is a problem you need to solve to be quite honest. get over it and move forward with the game with that unresolved
 
Dead by Daylight said:
I find it difficult to believe scum opens their posting by just saying “let’s policy vote this person”. Not only is it an extremely unpopular opinion, you gain a lot of mistrust even if you try to get off of that view (see: Jalmont’s reaction to #90).
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pulsar512b as someone who agreed with the original point, what do you think of this D1 Miyami towncase?
 
genisu said:
lists are ordered within
TOWN
genisu
Peum
Celever
jalmont
NULL
ShyPebble havent seen him talk tm, nothing of note though

phoopes didnt really like the slot d1 but the d2 posting is slightly improving
pulsar512b afk, which she does as either alignment
ImaginaryNeon always null
SCUM
AirC- hated his d1 iso, literally lied to try to get sm1 off of scum
8. Miyami~~~ immediately went on des, lowkey not sure about this one but what if its just bussing
Dead by Daylight: hated his posting yesterday, i remember giving reasoning so its weird that people are like he just voted for no reason.
8. Miyami~~~ immediately went on des, lowkey not sure about this one but what if its just bussing
i REALLY dont think the des wagon is clean completely, and ive seen dbd try to make these big risky plays that arent actually good before, so i think its most likely just him.
on another note, i think dbd vs celever is TvS and dbd is much scummier
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wtf is the reasoning wrt to miyami
 
Celever said:
mmmmmmmmm do you think someone who's using this logic would vote me today phoopes?
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I mean what you're missing and frankly, what to me is just common sense, is that everything needs to be evaluated in context which you haven't been doing at all

I see the context of the day 1 vote - okay des is mafia, knowing that how does that change my view of people's interactions with des?

you did the opposite. "okay des is mafia, how can I use this result to confirm my already decided opinion of dbd mafia." that's not good solving
 
genisu said:
but honestly dbd is scummy just by playing the game these days, and eventually i have to be like wait his agenda is so obviously anti town that theres no way hes scum
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so why did mafia dbd vote out their scumbuddy yesterday? can you explain to me what sort of strategy was involved there?

are you saying scum!dbd was going to be voted out so they cross voted their scumbuddy in the hopes of gaining long term cred. how is voting out mafia "anti town agenda"?
 
jalmont said:
I mean what you're missing and frankly, what to me is just common sense, is that everything needs to be evaluated in context which you haven't been doing at all

I see the context of the day 1 vote - okay des is mafia, knowing that how does that change my view of people's interactions with des?

you did the opposite. "okay des is mafia, how can I use this result to confirm my already decided opinion of dbd mafia." that's not good solving
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you're right it's not good solving which is why it didn't happen lol

the whole case on DBD is about him pre-flipping des. I reached the conclusion after seeing des' flip

if des flipped town the case on DBD doesn't make sense, because the case was made with the context in mind

I dunno what you're not seeing about that
 
genisu said:
over the night i was mulling it over and i think that des wagon cannot be completely clean, either or u and dbd are scum. scum put almost no resistance to the idea of a des policy
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maybe this is bc it wasnt a real threat in their eyes. and dbd being scum just plain doesnt make sense w him being the last vote on the wagon imo. i kind of hate these posts so ##vote genisu
 
genisu said:
over the night i was mulling it over and i think that des wagon cannot be completely clean, either or u and dbd are scum. scum put almost no resistance to the idea of a des policy
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this is just not true at all literally everyone except miyami and evie were against a des policy. the only reason it happened is because no one voted lol and the counterwagon was 0 posts pulsar
 
genisu said:
ive liked his posting today somewhat even though theres a lack of total posting, seems to be town agendaed
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Peum has said like... nothing today so I'm confused on how you came to this conclusion. but I am often confused by you when playing with you lol so I won't knock you too much for this

jalmont said:
I find this kind of hindsight analysis from both of these posts to be very suspect, especially from Peum who was soft defending des only to do a 180 and enter day 2 with this post saying they would've voted des. What exactly changed then from beginning of day 1 then?
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agree with jalmont here especially wrt Peum
jalmont said:
well let's just not revise history here, you made like 6 posts, with the content being 1. let's vote and 2. let's vote pulsar for afk.

maybe that meets other people's bar from contribution; it doesn't meet mine.

the issue here is that you defended a player who has flipped mafia and your vote was on an afk player who couldn't/wouldn't defend themselves. that's a really easy wagon for a mafia to start/hop on if they are going to defend their teammate because it's really easy to be like "oh lol can't believe they were actually scum!" "just a harmless vote haha!"

your posting today has been much better though
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tbh 5-6 posts is better than I've traditionally done on D1 haha, but either way I've been consistent in my time playing here which I think is a point in my favor for being town as I've been doing the same old stuff as town before

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not really convinced of this genisu "wagon" yet but I do think he's acting more scummy than before
 
like in general i just dont see why scum votes des if theres this offramp onto me which is super easy to pull off and wouldnt even be that scummy
 
pulsar512b said:
im not entirely sure what original point youre saying i agree with, but i think its a reasonable towncase. i do in particular think if she was scum there was probably an offramp onto me so i think i want to say shes towny
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pulsar512b said:
this is a little more of a strong argument to me; while it seems hard to believe dbd is scum cel's making some case for it and tbh dbd's defense feels like a scum defense
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uh I'm referring to this post

whether Miyami's town or not do you think that case from DBD is a sufficient counterargument the points on him
 
phoopes said:
seems like the most likely scenario to me lol

Townlean:
me (lol)
DBD
Celever
genisu
Miyami (I like the recent posts)
jalmont (don't know much about him but apparently D1 behavior was consistent with how he is so I'll trust y'all)
Neon (unsure but the sheet thing does seem to at least be helpful town behavior?)

Scumlean:
AirC
ShyPebble (not OMGUS from the D1 vote I promise)

Not Sure:
pulsar (still not enough info IMO)
Peum (see above)
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Updating this list:

Townlean:
me
DBD
Celever
jalmont
Miyami
pulsar (changed because responding well IMO just now after rereading the thread)
Neon

Scumlean:
AirC
genisu (see my most recent post)

Not Sure:
ShyPebble (need to see more)
Peum (need to see more)
 
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