Steriods Team

What is the best Steel Sweeper that can survive a Scarfing Garchomp's Outrage?

  • Lucario: With ExtremeSpeed and High Attack, this thing might be able to get a kill

    Votes: 5 11.9%

  • Heatran:Special Attack is great, and it has a great movepool

    Votes: 7 16.7%

  • Metagross: Great Defense and Great Attack, and Steel give it plenty of ways to switch in.

    Votes: 30 71.4%
  • Total voters
    42

pokefreakman

This is my newest team that consists of all fast-hitting, hard-hitting sweepers. With no walls, this team is all about the offense, and completely fits my style. Please rate, but always have a reason for a change and have a set if you think that I need a specific pokemon, or I need to change a pokemon I currently use on the team.


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Gengar:Timid:Focus Sash
Levitate
252 special attack, 252 speed, 4 hp
Shadow Ball
Thunder Bolt
Focus Blast
Hypnosis

Sleep inducer and special sweeper. Can come in on a lot of attacks, thanks to its many resistances, put to sleep whatever comes in or stays in. Then batters them with special moves.


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Azumarill:Adamant:Choice Band
Huge Power
252 hp, 252 attack, 4 speed
Aqua Jet
Waterfall
Brick Break
Double Edge

This thing is a physical beast. Aqua Jet hurts the hell out of all that doesn't resist it or whose's name is Cresseila. All the other moves are fillers for coverage.

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Heracross:Adamant:Flame Orb
Guts
252 attack, 252 speed, 4 hp
Facade
Swords Dance
Megahorn
Close Combat

Flame Orb Set. The only guy that really can set up on my team. He can tear through things that wall my teammates.

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Infernape:Naive:Life Orb
Blaze
24 attack, 252 special attack, 232 speed
Close Combat
Grass Knot
Flamethrower
Hidden Power (Ice)

My pride and joy. I can't count the number of times this thing has raped a person's team. With great coverage and the element of surpirse, this pokemon is a beast at both ends of the attacking end.

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Garchomp:Adamant:Choice Scarf
Sand Veil
252 attack, 252 speed, 4 special defense
Outrage
Crunch
Earthquake
Fire Blast

Outraging Choice Scarfing Garchomp, or as I like to call it, my end-gamer. I could be down 3-1 and still come back as long as I have this guy, thanks to Outrage. All other moves are fillers, Fire Blast is there for Skarmory.

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Swampert:Relaxed:Leftovers
Torrent
240 hp, 216 defense, 52 special attack
Stealth Rock
Surf
Ice Beam
Earthquake

Tank and Stealth Rock Setup. This thing is a physical walling beast, and has good attack and special attack

Thanks for reading my team. Please rate, but no spam :)
 
pokefreakman said:
This is my newest team that consists of all fast-hitting, hard-hitting sweepers. With no walls, this team is all about the offense, and completely fits my style. Please rate, but always have a reason for a change and have a set if you think that I need a specific pokemon, or I need to change a pokemon I currently use on the team.

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Jolteon:Timid:Focus Sash
Volt Absorb
252 special attack, 252 speed, 4 def
Thunderbolt
Thunder Wave
Shadow Ball
Hidden Power (Ice)

Starter. This thing is easliy a great starter due to the fact that it can outspeed most pokemon in OU, save from deoxys speed and ninjask. That is why I have him carrying Focus Sash, so he can always get in at least one hit or more.

Honestly, IMO, I wouldn't make this the starter. I would put Choice Specs on it, because this thing needs the extra Special Attack. Otherwise, it looks fine.

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Azumarill:Adamant:Choice Band
Huge Power
252 hp, 252 attack, 4 speed
Aqua Jet
Waterfall
Brick Break
Double Edge

This thing is a physical beast. Aqua Jet hurts the hell out of all that doesn't resist it or whose's name is Cressila. All the other moves are fillers for coverage.

Well, to be honest, nothing's name is 'Cressila'. Max HP and Defense Suicune walls the hell out of this, so be careful about that.

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Heracross:Adamant:Choice Scarf
Guts
252 attak, 252 speed, 4 hp
Aerial Ace
Night Slash
Megahorn
Close Combat

Fast, physical hitter. Can come in and kill whatever wasn't killed or someone who has set up. Debating whether or not I should use Flame Orb set, but I wanted the extra speed, so the Choice Scarf set won out.

Omg, it's Attack. Not Attak. <_< Sorry, but as your friend, I gotta point out the obvious. xD I honestly would replace Aerial Ace with Rock Slide. You can get the Flinch that you will most of the time get (because you're choice scarfing).

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Infernape:Naive:Life Orb
Blaze
24 attack, 252 special attack, 232 speed
Close Combat
ThunderPunch/Grass Knot
Flamethrower
Hidden Power (Ice)

My pride and joy. I can't count the number of times this thing has raped a person's team. With great coverage and the element of surpirse, this pokemon is a beast at both ends of the attacking end.

Grass Knot over ThunderPunch. You need the Swampert coverage.

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Garchomp:Adamant:Choice Scarf
Sand Veil
252 attack, 252 speed, 4 special defense
Outrage
Crunch
Earthquake
Fire Blast

Outraging Choice Scarfing Garchomp, or as I like to call it, my end-gamer. I could be down 3-1 and still come back as long as I have this guy, thanks to Outrage. All other moves are fillers, Fire Blast is there for Skarmory.

As far as I can see, again, Max HP and Defense Suicune walls this. So does Gliscor. I would honestly replace this with maybe another mixer, since you already have 2 Physical sweepers. Maybe Mixpert?

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Gengar:Timid:Life Orb
Levitate
252 special attack, 252 speed, 4 hp
Shadow Ball
Thunder Bolt
Focus Blast
Hypnosis

Sleep inducer and special sweeper. Can come in on a lot of attacks, thanks to its many resistances, put to sleep whatever comes in or stays in. Then batters them with special moves.

Personally, I would either go with Focus Sash (If you're giving Jolteon Specs) or Wide Lens. Wide Lens helps out greatly with Hypnosis and Focus Blast, which you need the help there. Otherwise, good.

Thanks for reading my team. Please rate, but no spam :)

Meh, no problem. But for future threads, it's 'Attack' and 'Cresselia'. Keep that in mind. Otherwise, a pretty good all-around team. Just consider the changes that I told you about.
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Thanks buddy. :) I honestly think my jolt works fine, and choice specs is easliy set up on, but I see your point. Gengar with focus sash seems the best, then i'll make him my starter. Another thing that I don't like about giving Jolteon Choice Specs is, well, the fact that really, because I don't know baton pass, what a better move would be over Thunder Wave.
 
Honestly, this team gets killed by itself.

An enemy Scarfchomp rips this team apart.

Azumarill may be the only one to survive... I know it all about offense, but I'd try to get a steel type like Bronzong in there.
 
I have updated the movesets of Heracross and Infernape. Heracross has Rock Slide over Aerial Ace, and Infernape has Grass Knot over ThunderPunch.
 
I'm not entirely sure what this team is trying to do. you've got no sr, no way to really deal with any threats, no guy who sets up, no common goal, no backup, no, well, nothing. it just seems like you threw 6 pokemon together, hoping they'd work. aight, you mentioned something about garchomp being your endgamer, so let's see what we can do about that.

edit: contrary to what you may think, you need sr. you don't want any surprise sashers getting free kills. also, lots of your 2HKO's turn into ohko's with sr. for instance, sd'd guts facade has a 90% chance of killing 252/252 impish gliscor with sr. without sr, that turns into a 5% chance. just an example.

personally, your team doesn't need to worry about speed, seeing as the slowest guy without priority is infernape, who is already fast. so I dunno why you want hera to be scarfed. the flame orb set helps you break through heavy stall, which currently stops your team cold. and I know how common he is, but a lumzong should go in the place of jolteon, giving you pretty reliable sr early in the game, which is something teams like this need. now, it's kinda odd looking, but I'd also go with thunderpunch on ape to lure in and cripple the vaporeons and tentacruels that are gonna stop azumarril and garchomp pretty well. cresselia shouldn't be too much of a problem if she's constantly taking cb waterfalls and swords danced megahorns, so ape has a pretty decent chance to sweep as well. this team is rather wearing on steels now, with all the mixapes and heracrosses, and even azumarril should hurt stuff not named skarmory, so garchomp can sweep a bit better now. and if you don't reveal chomp super early, but they see ape and hera, they shouldn't feel too bad about sacrificing their steels either, so that's a plus. now, deoxys can be a bit of a bitch to this team if bronzong has already exploded, as your only way to stop him really is to hit him with a cb aqua jet, which does ~70% if I'm not mistaken. so if he holds an expert belt, that could be trouble. for this reason you may want to scarf gengar, for a bit more reliable revenge killing. but if you trust azu and zong to bet the job done, then LO is the way to go. a minor nitpick, but stone edge > crunch on garchomp. crunch only hits ghosts, which outrage hits harder anyways. you'd much rather hit those bulky fliers hard without getting locked in. anyways, the sets, in your format as a bonus:

Heracross:Adamant:Flame Orb
Guts
252 attack, 252 speed, 4 hp
Swords Dance
Facade
Megahorn
Close Combat

Bronzong:Adamant:Lum Berry
Levitate
252 hp, 128 attack, 128 sp.def
Gyro Ball
Hypnosis
Explosion
Stealth Rock

edit: bronzong gives you insurance against loads of shit (namely deoxys and mamo) as well as sr. and as far as offensive capabilities go, explosion is great for taking out a pokemon you didn't prepare for.
 
Stathakis said:
I'm not entirely sure what this team is trying to do. you've got no sr, no way to really deal with any threats, no guy who sets up, no common goal, no backup, no, well, nothing. it just seems like you threw 6 pokemon together, hoping they'd work. aight, you mentioned something about garchomp being your endgamer, so let's see what we can do about that.

This team is all about offense, so I really don't need sr.

personally, your team doesn't need to worry about speed, seeing as the slowest guy without priority is infernape, who is already fast. so I dunno why you want hera to be scarfed. the flame orb set helps you break through heavy stall, which currently stops your team cold.

I was planning on using that set, and now I know I am.

and I know how common he is, but a lumzong should go in the place of jolteon, giving you pretty reliable sr early in the game, which is something teams like this need. now, it's kinda odd looking, but I'd also go with thunderpunch on ape to lure in and cripple the vaporeons and tentacruels that are gonna stop azumarril and garchomp pretty well. cresselia shouldn't be too much of a problem if she's constantly taking cb waterfalls and swords danced megahorns, so ape has a pretty decent chance to sweep as well. this team is rather wearing on steels now, with all the mixapes and heracrosses, and even azumarril should hurt stuff not named skarmory, so garchomp can sweep a bit better now. and if you don't reveal chomp super early, but they see ape and hera, they shouldn't feel too bad about sacrificing their steels either, so that's a plus. now, deoxys can be a bit of a bitch to this team if bronzong has already exploded, as your only way to stop him really is to hit him with a cb aqua jet, which does ~70% if I'm not mistaken. so if he holds an expert belt, that could be trouble. for this reason you may want to scarf gengar, for a bit more reliable revenge killing. but if you trust azu and zong to bet the job done, then LO is the way to go. a minor nitpick, but stone edge > crunch on garchomp. crunch only hits ghosts, which outrage hits harder anyways. you'd much rather hit those bulky fliers hard without getting locked in. anyways, the sets, in your format as a bonus:

Heracross:Adamant:Flame Orb
Guts
252 attack, 252 speed, 4 hp
Swords Dance
Facade
Megahorn
Close Combat

Bronzong:Adamant:Lum Berry
Levitate
252 hp, 128 attack, 128 sp.def
Aerial Ace
Night Slash
Megahorn
Close Combat

Ok you must have typo the moves on Bronzong, but it doesn't matter. I don't think bronzong is the way to go on this team, since his offense is lacking, which would destroy the whole purpose of this team.
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Thanks for rating. :)
 
Alright, its decision time. I need a reliable counter for a scarfing outraging garchomp. I have three canidates: Agiligross, Mixpert, and Attacking Bronzong. But first, I need to decide who to get rid of. In the end, I chose Jotleon for one good reason, it has no other good attacks. If I was to make it a choice specs-er, like I was going to because gengar is my new starter, I have no idea what attack I would use over Thunder Wave. So, now that I know who is going, now who is coming. In the end, Mixpert won out. Since Jolteon was leaving, I felt if I put Mixpert in, I would sort of be filling the void of that special attacker. It's speed is disappointing, but I think its the best choice for this team. Thank you all for your kind suggestions, and please keep commenting. :)
 
like I suggested, go with bronzong. you get sr as well as garchomp coverage, and more importantly, an answer to mamo, who fucks you up. and you get sr. AND you get a sleep inducer.
 
I think the only decent switchin to a Garchomp's Outrage that you have here is Metagross. Lucario takes way too much damage from Outrage and it needs a SD to OHKO with Close Combat. 394 Attack Outrage from Garchomp does 51-60% to 4 HP / 0 Def Adamant/Jolly Lucario. That is a guaranteed 2HKO and Lucario has no chance switching in, even if it could OHKO. Bulky Lucario is a much better switchin, taking only 37-43%, a 3-4HKO depending on whether it does maximum or minimum. However, this variant of Lucario can't do shit back to Garchomp, so that is really out of the question as well. Not to mention a single poor prediction and your Tyranitar switchin is now dead.

Scizor is a much better steel sweeper, considering it actually has the defenses of one. Scizor takes 31-36%, a 3-4HKO. The real attractive part about Scizor's "Dance Orb" set is Roost. This allows him to switch into dangerous attacks like these and freely Roost and Swords Dance. A Swords Danced Quick Attack does a lot even to Garchomp, in fact it does 54-64%, an incredibly easy 2HKO, plus it is a priority move. So you switchin and take the first Outrage, then Roost after the next Outrage. You should have atleast 78% of your health left, even if the Outrages hit for maximum damage each time. You can now Swords Dance after the upcoming Outrage, bringing you to ~42%, again provided it hits for maximum. All you need to do is Roost one more time after the Outrage, and you will be at 56%. This is where Quick Attack 2HKOs, for the win. Now this is situational at best since if someone keeps their Garchomp in on Scizor Outraging they are plain stupid. However, it allows you to get a free Swords Dance, something Lucario can't do.

I was disappointed Machamp wasn't here, as it is really on steroids.
 
Stathakis said:
like I suggested, go with bronzong. you get sr as well as garchomp coverage, and more importantly, an answer to mamo, who fucks you up. and you get sr. AND you get a sleep inducer.
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Brongzong was a very reliable option, but mixpert won out. It has special attacking and attacking moves, and it has SR. I already have a sleep inducer in Gengar.

Alright all team changes are done. We say goodbye to a good reliable starter in jolteon, but we welcome a Tank and Stealth Rock in Swampert. Thanks for all your help, and keep posting. :)
 
Your team has two gaping weaknesses that are common in an offensive team:

Yanmega - will tear your team to shreds if Swampert has taken even a bit of damage. Gengar, Infernape, Heracross, Garchomp... none of them threaten it a bit and it will run through them like tissue paper.

Rain Dance - A lot of teams are Rain Dance weak, but particularly offensive teams like this. Ludicolo can't wait to have a field day with you. Although he's pretty rare, his counterpart Kingdra is more common and will wash you away.

Swampert patched up your deoxys-E weakness, but remember that he has no recovery, so you may be in some trouble if you see one lategame. I recommend switching Garchomp to Jolly or making him Yache and switching Gengar to Timid Scarf. This will also give your team a fighting chance to revenge an enemy scarfchomp that will outrage you into oblivion.
 
RaikouLover said:
Your team has two gaping weaknesses that are common in an offensive team:

Yanmega - will tear your team to shreds if Swampert has taken even a bit of damage. Gengar, Infernape, Heracross, Garchomp... none of them threaten it a bit and it will run through them like tissue paper.

Won't a scarfing Garchomp outspeed it after 1 speed boost? If it does, then yanmega doesn't seem to be as big as a problem. And I have Azumarill and Aqua Jet.

Rain Dance - A lot of teams are Rain Dance weak, but particularly offensive teams like this. Ludicolo can't wait to have a field day with you. Although he's pretty rare, his counterpart Kingdra is more common and will wash you away.

Again, I believe, even after the rain dance boost, garchomp still outspeeds it. However, I am pretty rain dance weak. What should I do?

Swampert patched up your deoxys-E weakness, but remember that he has no recovery, so you may be in some trouble if you see one lategame. I recommend switching Garchomp to Jolly or making him Yache and switching Gengar to Timid Scarf. This will also give your team a fighting chance to revenge an enemy scarfchomp that will outrage you into oblivion.

I will try the jolly garchomp and Timid Scarf Gengar. Are both of those sets you talked about necissary? And,what should be my starter?
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Thanks for rating!
 
Stathakis said:
contrary to what you may think, you need sr. you don't want any surprise sashers getting free kills. also, lots of your 2HKO's turn into ohko's with sr. for instance, sd'd guts facade has a 90% chance of killing 252/252 impish gliscor with sr. without sr, that turns into a 5% chance. just an example.


Bronzong:Adamant:Lum Berry
Levitate
252 hp, 128 attack, 128 sp.def
Gyro Ball
Hypnosis
Explosion
Stealth Rock

edit: bronzong gives you insurance against loads of shit (namely deoxys and mamo) as well as sr. and as far as offensive capabilities go, explosion is great for taking out a pokemon you didn't prepare for.
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For the Brongzong set, it acutally looks nice. However, Brave would be the better choice, so you can get as little speed as possible. Other than that, this a great attacking brongzong set. However, I'm going to try the mixpert first, and see how that works.
 
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