The Smogon "Suspect Test" Ladder is in full effect!

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Where in this thread did you guys see "Hey let's just make up statistics and play Pokemon in theory?

The whole point of using this ladder is that this kind of stuff won't be needed. If you want to continue with the "Garchomp is uber!" "No it's not!" useless back-and-forth, go somewhere else.
 
Let's say a Chomp has an SD, +1 Spe, and A Yach. 60% Health (From rocks, spikes, sub, or previous damage or something) You switch in an Ice Shard user. They get scared, switch out. Thats HUGE. Thats saving your own ass, maybe you'll have to face it later, but it's better that the alternative, which is a 6-0 at that point. Scaring it off, with prediction, can mean killing it when it switches in again. The % of Garchomps that use Yach., is beside the point.
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Scaring it off means nothing, it's still a threat, because it's still alive, so what is it that you don't understand? You can't be using that kind of logic in pokemon, the definite thing here is that nothing can switch into it, and even if you try to "predict" a switch in, just remember that a person has 6 pokemon under the belt, so they won't always be switching in Garchomp, therefore my point still stands.

I know how I sound right now, and I'm talking to all of you. But I'm telling you, the Starmie, IB Bliss, and Forry thing works. No matter how much you don't believe me, or how much of a n00b I sound like, I've had PLENTY of experience on Shoddy in which my so-called, "hahahaha those don't couter fucking idiot Nantes" strategy works. Not many people expect Ice Beam on Bliss. A lot of Garchomps switch IN to Bliss. They expect a switch, SD, I use Ice Beam Instead, yache is gone. Send in Ice Shard. No prob. In fact, for the 4 moths on Shoddy and Wi-Fi, I've never once been swept by Chomp.
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I never called you a noob, I respect your opinion as much as I do for anybody else's, but Starmie, Blissey, and Fortress are really bad examples, Yache Berry for the most part, and almost nothing stops Garchomp after a SD, OHKO'ing Blissey with a EQ in, Starmie, and Fire Blasting Fortress. I do expect Ice on Blissey, because I personally use Ice Beam on her for the sole reason that I don't get walled by Gengar, so I actually do expect Ice Beam on Blissey, and saying alot of Garchomps switch into Blissey is your opinion, you can't talk for everyone, because some people do, some do not. Again, you want to beat Garchomp on the switching, but know that as much as you depend on that, none of those pokemon can switch into Garchomp, especially after a SD. If you haven't been swept by a Chomp, then you obviously not played much.

End it here, because we are getting way off topic.
 
@Doom Fist: Who cares what happens to Garchomp - or any other suspect - if they were to be moved to Ubers? Ubers is intended to be a broken environment. It's not like Garchomp is going to haunt us if we don't use it.
 
Nantes said:
Thats why I said, "BEFORE SD".
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LOL, that's why "Yache Chomp survives Ice Beam and sweeps anyways..."

Anyways. getting back on topic, I think testing Double Team is unnecessary, we already know it's really unfair. Again, SR is part of the game, but it's annoying when you have to reserve a spot for a spinner...

Again, my only problem is Chomp at the moment, but it's awesome to see that you are proceeding to test everything, no matter how obvious it seems it should be banned...
 
I actually miss Garchomp more defensively like Earthworm and Iggybot mentioned earlier. Scarfchomp is probably THE most useful choice scarfer in the game, and really helped me get through a lot of threats, most notably Gengar. I remember a common tactic I used was absorbing Hypnosis with Suicune, then bouncing the Thunderbolt off Garchomp and Dragon Claw for the KO. Now I have to carry solid "counters" for these kind of pokemon.
 
blasphemy1 said:
Okay so may I ask what will be suspects in the future, or is this unknown?
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Check out the Order of Operations thread in Policy Review, it's got a bit of information outlined in it on who will be getting examined. Lati@s without soul dew, Mew, and Manaphy are among them.
 
Hey guys. Let's start talking about what sorts of changes will occur in the Garchomp-less metagame.

1) Hippowdons will carry Stone Edge over Ice Fang, and no longer be easy Gyarados setup fodder.
 
1. People can cut back on Ice moves.

2. Flygon/Dragonite/Salamence will rise in usage. (I am using at least one of them on my new teams)
 
Zapdos may start using HP Grass as Salamence and Dragonite get 2HKOed by Thunderbolt.

Porygon2 will rise in usage, because it is a good counter for both Gyarados and Salamence.

Cressilia will (and has) rose in usage because it counters Salamence well.

Infernape may start using Nasty Plot or Thunderpunch (hey, kills vappy and tenta) over HP Ice.

Slower scarfers may increase in popularity.

Starmie might use Modest nature more often.
 
My Jolteon already switched to HP Grass.

I have a feeling more BL pokemon might become OU, because they become more viable now. 1 less slot for Garchomp is 1 more slot for another poke.
 
I just looked at the order of operations. I will be sad if Deo-E gets banned just because of that stupid Taunt/Dual Screen/Stealth Rock set.
 
So glad this has started up, despite the fact that I can't even use Shoddy right now. To be quite honest, I don't really give a shit about the Garchomp issue, but I'm really looking forward to Lati@s and Mew testing--Latias and Mew are two of my favorites, and I want to use them outside of Ubers, if only for a little while--as well as a Species Clause-less metagame (Gengar will be a mother bitch, but I want to see what happens regardless).
 
edit: two posts I was responding to were deleted but I guess I could keep this up, just to show people: Don't post this argument.

Garchomp is a pain to bring down but he won't be used much in the uber metagame due to the dragons already running around rayquaza, palkia, and dialga to name some. But he will be used in uber and that will get him out of OU. :)
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First of all, uber status has nothing to do with how often he is used. Some ubers are rarely used, if EVER used. Its the fact that they overpower OU that sends them, not how common they are or will be in ubers. That last part didn't make sense :/

This is ridiculous.

Trying to ban garchomp just cuz you guys always lose to it........garchomp has plenty of counters. Weaville and starmie make it look ridiculous. gyarados can easily switch in on it and set up. Skarmory can easily wall scarfchomps that are locked onto outrage.

Pretty much anything wit ice shard kills it. Sure, its something that needs to be accounted for when making a team. BUt so is infernape, gyarados, tyranitar, and a whole bunch of other sweepers.

Besides, before making something uber, you should see how well they would fit in that metagame. garchomp would simply get owned in ubers. If anything should be made Uber, it should be blissey. All the noobs pack blissey on their teams cuz its so easy to use. Im sick of seeing it in 90% of my battles. Blissey also has an uber set, and walls pokemon just as well in Ubers.
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...Ok, first of all, Weavile and Starmie can not kill Garchomp with Yache Berry and they can't switch in. At the best, CB Weavile can maybe OHKO with ice shard but nothing stops garchomp from switching. Earthquake / Outrage / Fire Fang will KO both of them after a Swords Dance so no ... they aren't counters.

Gyarados is killed by Yache Chomp, especially if chomp gets a Swords Dance beforehand. Actually, Garchomp could Swords Dance 2 times, and then OHKO Gyarados. Once on the switch, once on Dragon Dance, and then KO on Ice Fang.

Skarmory can do what exactly to chomp? Set up spikes / rocks? Suicide itself with Brave Bird? Uh, last I checked, that isn't going to help beat Garchomp at all.

Anything with Ice Shard, can't switch in and like I said before, Chomp just switches out. Plus Yache Berry can stop a lot of this Ice Shard nonsense :/

Your last paragraph shows me that I was right in thinking that you have no concept of tiers. It doesn't matter how well something functions in Ubers, just how powerful it is in OU. Just because you hate blissey and think it could play ubers doesnt mean it works (Btw Garchomp is 3 or 4x as common as Blissey :/)
 
well, i guess im going to have to find another ground type poke to use that is fast and strong enogh by my standards, dugtrio will finally get a chance to be in my team, then again ill have to give it life orb.
 
Its flygon time for me again XD
Also so many pokemon will lose that 269 sp atk for OHKO'ing Garchomp
 
I'm confused, is Garchomp banned in Standard Play or just on the Suspect Test Ladder? When I click on the ban list for Standard, it doesn't say Garchomp, but it does on the Suspect Test ban list.
 
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