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Eternal

Eternal

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Yea I've just made this team yesterday since I got tired of my old teams that work like wonders. So I'd just want to know if there's anything I'm missing with this team and how i can improve on it.
The EVs are in: HP/Atk/Def/Spe/Sp.Atk/Sp.Def
(I took the info from my encrypted shoddy files so everything is put in this order)

Heatran @ Leftovers
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Flash Fire
Modest
IVs: 31/31/31/31/31/31/
EVs: 252/0/0/252/4/0/
Stealth Rock
Roar
Fire Blast
Earth Power

Well I picked this Pokemon as lead because I needed a roarer and a SR supporter. While being hellishly bulky. And able to counter many common leads, such as Bronzong, Yanmega, Ninjask, etc. I chose Heat Wave rather than Fire Blast since I wanted more PP and I didn't want it to lose Fire Blast's Pp by pressure or stall. Hence, Heat Wave works just as well.

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Deoxys-e @ Life Orb
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Pressure
Naive
31/31/31/31/31/28/
0/160/0/96/252/0/
Psychic
Superpower
Ice Beam
Thunderbolt

The common mixed sweeper. We all know what this thing does.

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Scizor @ Leftovers
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Technician
Adamant
31/31/31/31/31/31/
252/0/128/0/0/128/
U-turn
Roost
Pursuit
Swords Dance

With the desired EV's it is able to take very little damage from Gengar's and Deoxys-E while being able to roost. Perfect counter. So need for quick attack. I got reliable counters and this set serves the Purpose for having Scizor. And U-turn for twists, rather than X-Scissor for sweep, since Scizor isn't a reliable sweeper when it gets counter easily by Heatrans and Fire, etc. SD serves its power boost for having a 325 atk.

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Suicune @ Leftovers
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Pressure
Modest
31/23/31/31/30/31/
4/0/0/252/252/0/
Surf
Calm Mind
Substitute
Hidden Power (Elec)

Gyarados counter. As well as a sub calm minder sweeper, which can be hard to counter at times. Didn't choose ice beam since Scizor and others take care of what stops it from sweeping.

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Gengar @ Leftovers
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Levitate
Timid
31/31/31/31/31/31/
4/0/0/252/252/0/
Hypnosis
Substitute
Shadow Ball
Focus Blast

Sleep inducer, Fighting type inducer, easy Substitute thereafter. Very dangerous since there are very few things that stop FB and SB.

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Garchomp @ Yache Berry
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Sand Veil
Jolly
31/31/31/31/31/31/
4/252/0/252/0/0/
Swords Dance
Fire Fang
Earthquake
Outrage

Yea, the common Broken Garchomp.
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superflanker said:
this is a rediculous and impossible team. my only complaint is that you have 31 in nearly all iv's now the garchomp the scizor and the gengar are all possible. but then again its hard to breed pokes with iv's like that...i did it on a marril once. thats it. these iv's are a disgrace especially on the cune. the dogs are near impossible to get good iv's on. why dont you sav a team with legitimate stats and then post it ok? this is rediculous and shamefull.
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Huh, ever heard about shoddy battle?


On-topic- Agilitygross can be a pain;He 2HKO your entire team, and the ones that are 2HKOed can't do much in return. If he get's a agility, you lose a poké and the you send your garchomp who can't be OHKOed, but he can't switch into gross anyway.
Tyranitar is a serious problem to your team, 2HKOing every single member.
So, to handle these threats, i sugest replacing scizor with resttalk swampert with curse and waterfall. He is a better gengar counter, metagross counter and can counter ttar.
 
Pyong said:
Huh, ever heard about shoddy battle?


On-topic- Agilitygross can be a pain;He 2HKO your entire team, and the ones that are 2HKOed can't do much in return. If he get's a agility, you lose a poké and the you send your garchomp who can't be OHKOed, but he can't switch into gross anyway.
Tyranitar is a serious problem to your team, 2HKOing every single member.
So, to handle these threats, i sugest replacing scizor with resttalk swampert with curse and waterfall. He is a better gengar counter, metagross counter and can counter ttar.
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How can Agility Metagross 2HKO Scizor?

Tyranitar, what kind of Tyranitar? CB Ttar isn't any problem when predicting the right move. Garchomp, Gengar, Deo-E all revenge kill Tyranitar.

not to mention...
Heatran = EP
Suicune = Surf
Garchomp = EQ
Scizor = Uu-turn
Deo-E = Superpower
Gengar = FB

Every member of my team can harm Tyranitar well.
 
Lo eartquake? And even if scizor survives, what can he do?
And abount predicting...the same can be said about your oponnent. I agree, ttar isn't a major threat to your team, but a threat anyway. Adding swampert would solve that problem, and i fail to see how scizor works better to this team.

EDIT: Shoddy isn't made only for testing.
 
Pyong said:
Lo eartquake? And even if scizor survives, what can he do?
And abount predicting...the same can be said about your oponnent. I agree, ttar isn't a major threat to your team, but a threat anyway. Adding swampert would solve that problem, and i fail to see how scizor works better to this team.

EDIT: Shoddy isn't made only for testing.
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Check my EV on Scizor. EQ would do about 30% or less by an EQ Metagross (w/o orb). I have "roost" btw and "SD." Metagross can't penetrate it while i set up.
 
To tell you the truth Scizor seems like an inferior Metagross. As you only have it to counter Deoxys and Gengar, Which Metagross can do with out the nasty 4X weakness to Fire. It also adds more bulk and live a Fire Blast from Heatran if its at full health an OHKOing it with Earthquake. Of course I'm talking about the the new Metagross set wich looks something like this. Metagross Jolly nature @ Lum Berry, 140 HP / 184 Atk / 184 Spe. Wich outspeeds Adamant Mamoswine, Celebi and standard Jirachi. Pursuit, Explosion, Bullet Punch and Earthquake.

Pretty nice team. Like all offenisve teams prediction is key. Just one more little note this just from my own personal experience but you might want to max out speed on Deoxys, no biggie though i just found it more helpful.
 
Heatran is fine. Most Deoxys-E or Azelf leads are suicidal Stealth rockers, and since Stealth rock really won't bother this team both are simply free kills.

My only issue is how you reason U-Turn to be better then X-Scissor in any way. U-Turn on a Swords Dance Scizor of any form is ridiculous; as an attacking move, your loosing any invested setup with every use and Scizor's far to slow to utilize the attacks ability to hit and switch prior to any opposing threat. Use X-Scissor. It has more power, patches any aforementioned weakness to both Tyranitar (without Fire Blast) AND Agiligross, and you won't have to break apart any potential, albeit rare, sweeps. Pursuit seems like necessary Gengar hate, but to be effective one of your other Pokemon must eat a Hypnosis. Deoxys can act as a decent Gyarados counter, out-speeding and OHKOing any Gyarados after a DD with Thunderbolt, which makes CroCune feasible as your status absorber, but thats just something to consider.
 
On Heatran, Fire Blast is a statistically better move than both Flamethrower and Heat Wave unless you're concerned about PP drain, and with a team as offensive as this it's pretty obvious you're not.

I also don't understand why you're using Roar. Heatran has a number of extremely powerful options - namely Explosion and Taunt - which will almost always be more useful. Heatran's garbage typing means he hates taking hits (and obviously he hates status too), so Explosion or Taunt is probably the way to go.

I would also suggest Metagross over Scizor. As Asma stated, its main function is to beat sweeper Deoxys-E and Gengar, and Scizor loses half that function since it can't hit Gengar with a priority move. I would also suggest Earthquake / Explosion / Pursuit / Bullet Punch, though the EV spread I have been using is one posted by Taylor a while back: 112 HP / 184 Atk / 212 Speed. The HP lets it survive Jolly Chomp's EQ after SR damage most of the time, and the higher attack is for a little extra oomph on the Bullet Punch and Explosion.

As a last little side note, it would be helpful if you added more of a description for all your pokes. It's pretty clear from the quality of this team that you know what you're doing, and it helps us raters a bit if we have an idea of what your team is trying to accomplish and how each pokemon helps achieve that goal.
 
If you're using Heat Wave, would Flamethrower be more appropriate anyway if you're afraid of PP drain? I mean Flamethrower only has slightly less power but it also has better accuracy and PP. It also retains the 10% burn chance also.

I think Timid on Suicune will work best so you can outspeed things like Lucario and some Zapdos. It also lets you beat Timid Heatran and etc. It let's you set up a Sub against fairly fast Leech Seed Celebi also.
 
I like this team because after i'd looked it read right through i was looking to see if there was a flaw and guess what?,there isn't,what i mean is you have 2 pokés that are affected by ghost and dark types,but you easily get round them.

I can't find any fault in this so good work :).
 
sonicmark said:
I like this team because after i'd looked it read right through i was looking to see if there was a flaw and guess what?,there isn't,what i mean is you have 2 pokés that are affected by ghost and dark types,but you easily get round them.

I can't find any fault in this so good work :).
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Yes.

@Tay, I chose Scizor rather than Metagross because of Scizor's roost and SD. Why did i chose U-Turn? Well we all know what U-Turn can do. Lets say: Suicune vs Heatran. Opponent switches to Celebi, then I switch to Scizor. I U-Turn instead of X-Scissor to get onto Suicune or else I'd be X-Scissoring a Heatran and I'd get hit my Heatran. While slowly wearing Heatran down by SR. That's just one predicament.

@ Asma, Scizor can heal itself from any of Gengar's or Deoxy-E's atks, making it unstoppable from any of those threats. And being immune to ground unlike Metagross. While Metagross (w/o CB) is unable to even take Celebi down.
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Looks similar to mine except I use Infernape over Heatran. <_<

I'm suprised that a certain comment hasn't been made yet about shoddy, but I guess some people just don't know. :/
 
To tell you the truth Scizor seems like an inferior Metagross. As you only have it to counter Deoxys and Gengar, Which Metagross can do with out the nasty 4X weakness to Fire. It also adds more bulk and live a Fire Blast from Heatran if its at full health an OHKOing it with Earthquake. Of course I'm talking about the the new Metagross set wich looks something like this. Metagross Jolly nature @ Lum Berry, 140 HP / 184 Atk / 184 Spe. Wich outspeeds Adamant Mamoswine, Celebi and standard Jirachi. Pursuit, Explosion, Bullet Punch and Earthquake
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Are you fucking kidding me? There is so much wrong with this advice its hilarious. Metagross doesn't counter gengar.... it 2HKOs Metagross and Metagross doesnt have access to roost. And Fire moves a predictable from a mile away. And that new Metagross isn't surviving a goddamn Fire Blast from Heatran. Adamant Mamoswine is rarely used... and Jirachi's run more than 245 speed so they can hit 270 for Heracross or 308 for the CM Sweeper.

Ok Arin, looking at all of this... the team looks good. A standard offensive team with Scizor to kill Deoxys but watch out for the bane of offensive teams: Yanmega. Its going to take some pokemon down with it and Heatran is a shitty counter. After 2 turns you may have trouble even touching the thing with your lack of priority moves.

And please please please..... switch Heat Wave with Flamethrower or Fire Blast. If its PP and accuracy you want, just use Flamethrower it is infinately superior to Heat Wave. If you want the extra power, use Fire Blast.
 
RaikouLover said:
Are you fucking kidding me? There is so much wrong with this advice its hilarious. Metagross doesn't counter gengar.... it 2HKOs Metagross and Metagross doesnt have access to roost. And Fire moves a predictable from a mile away. And that new Metagross isn't surviving a goddamn Fire Blast from Heatran. Adamant Mamoswine is rarely used... and Jirachi's run more than 245 speed so they can hit 270 for Heracross or 308 for the CM Sweeper.

Ok Arin, looking at all of this... the team looks good. A standard offensive team with Scizor to kill Deoxys but watch out for the bane of offensive teams: Yanmega. Its going to take some pokemon down with it and Heatran is a shitty counter. After 2 turns you may have trouble even touching the thing with your lack of priority moves.

And please please please..... switch Heat Wave with Flamethrower or Fire Blast. If its PP and accuracy you want, just use Flamethrower it is infinately superior to Heat Wave. If you want the extra power, use Fire Blast.
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It was pretty late. I did some calcs and fire blast does at least 139.88% to Metagross, I don't know what the hell I was smoking. It was pretty retarded of me. I forgot Jirachi has 100 in all stats XD. I'm still saying he should switch Metagross for Scizor though as Gengar could just Hypnosis and switch out. I guess its just who's more of threat to his team Celebi or Gengar. Ive also seen way more adamant Mamoswine's than jolly ones :P
 
The reason I chose Heat Wave...

Heatran has 325 sp.atk

Thus it needs power. Heat Wave supports itwith 100 power. While I would choose Fire Blast, but Fire Blast can easily lose its PP, since Heatran is bulky and would cause stalling sometimes (it happened many tiems). Thus, I don't want it running out of PP's or ahving 85 acc.

Flamethrower is good, but weak and doesn't do enough damage to knock out some pokemons. Besides Heat Wave is stronger with ujst 5% acc less.

What makes Flametrower a better option?

In my opinion:

Lava Plume = Flamethrower = Heat Wave = Fire Blast

They all have ups and downs.
 
Unless you can provide a specific example of what Heat Wave can do that Flamethrower can't, I see absolutely no reason not to use Flamethrower. The power difference (95 v. 100) is so small as to be negligible in almost any situation, while the accuracy difference (100% v. 90%) is quite significant.
 
Oh man that scizor fails, make it cb if you like u-turn that much. Swords dance is pointless unless you like sweeping with pursuit. -_-

Flamethrower over heat wave, that way you can try and avoid hax.

Mine as well go for ice beam and make suicune go all out sweeping, because without 252 subs, substitute isn't getting you very far.
 
bolt. said:
Oh man that scizor fails, make it cb if you like u-turn that much. Swords dance is pointless unless you like sweeping with pursuit. -_-

Flamethrower over heat wave, that way you can try and avoid hax.

Mine as well go for ice beam and make suicune go all out sweeping, because without 252 subs, substitute isn't getting you very far.
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Scizor has its purpose for have that moveset. Roost isn't accessible with CB. It makes it a great counter for deo-e, starmie, gengar, celebi, etc. And that's its main purpose. And I already explained why it needs U-Turn.

I guess you never saw a Sub CM Suicune in play? But yes, Def Wall Suicune works great and I might consider that.

And I'll consider having Flamethrower.

As for Scizor, it serves its purpose and will remain.

EDIT: I've given it Fire Blast rather than Flametrower since Flamethrower is just too weak + 325 sp.atk to harm most Pokemons. Unless anyone can show me why Flamethrower with 325 sp.atk is still viable. Thanks.
 
Unless you want to complain about hax put flamethrower on the Heatran. Sometimes it pays off to be more bulky than all out attacking.
 
Why not use a more useful move for the team on Scizor like Light Screen instead of Swords Dance... It will accomodate taking hits from the likes of the Pokémon you're trying to trap along with do much more in the long run than a SD, considering you'll be switching out frequently with U-turn...
 
Arin said:
Scizor has its purpose for have that moveset. Roost isn't accessible with CB. It makes it a great counter for deo-e, starmie, gengar, celebi, etc. And that's its main purpose. And I already explained why it needs U-Turn.

I guess you never saw a Sub CM Suicune in play? But yes, Def Wall Suicune works great and I might consider that.

And I'll consider having Flamethrower.

As for Scizor, it serves its purpose and will remain.

EDIT: I've given it Fire Blast rather than Flametrower since Flamethrower is just too weak + 325 sp.atk to harm most Pokemons. Unless anyone can show me why Flamethrower with 325 sp.atk is still viable. Thanks.
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Swords dance is a waste of time on scizor, as said before change it to light screen. I know what sub cm cune does, but with all the power in the current metagame, cune has better options. You might want to use hp electric, surf, ice beam, cm and life orb. Max it's speed with timid, and it becomes an amazing cm sweeper.
 
bolt. said:
Swords dance is a waste of time on scizor, as said before change it to light screen. I know what sub cm cune does, but with all the power in the current metagame, cune has better options. You might want to use hp electric, surf, ice beam, cm and life orb. Max it's speed with timid, and it becomes an amazing cm sweeper.
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Swords Dance is to cause switching and not get walled by anything that scizor can't take. While U-Turn is to twist it and let me get the correct Pokemon to counter while subbing with either Suicune or Gengar if you can see the strategy behind this.

w/o substitute Suicune is vulnerable to status and w/ sub it can pertain a barrier while not being afflicted by a switch-in counter.
 
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