Do you regret learning about EVs/IVs?

I love the competitive aspect of pokemon, with IVs and EVs and such, but I do not like playing through my game with some P.O.S. Sceptile that has a Relaxed nature, or my Infernape with a Bold one, etc. I have been banned on Shoddy, so recently this has been extremely annoying, as I can only play the cartridges. Here is my dilemma, as much as I loved RBY and GSC, I love way too many new pokemon and the new moves they acquired, such as Dragonite with Dragon Dance and Outrage, or Magmar evolving, to go back to them. But when I want to play my Pearl, I have to breed or else my Dragonite IMO is shit. I almost wish the EV and IV system didn't exist, and that somehow we(competitive gaming community) would have came up with it and incorporated it into the metagame rather than gamefreak using it in the cartridges. Of course, they obviously aren't going to revert, but with the knowledge we have now, it sure would be nice if they did.

EDIT: And when I use my pokesav, I feel like I am cheating my way through the game, even tho I know I am doing it due to my own OCD.
 
Funnily enough, I was playing through silver recently and for once I decided I'd not worry about getting good competitive pokémon and just train badass ones instead. I got a beastly Arbok and a badass Hypno and I really enjoyed it :)
 
Darth Meanie said:
Every one here is out to win
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Don't say ''everyone'' unless you know it for a fact... and because I'm here and I play to have fun with winning in mind (ie. winning is not a requirement for fun), you're wrong :P. As for learning about EVs and IVs, I don't regret it.
 
blasphemy1 said:
When do you have to worry about getting good competitive pokemon in GSC anyways? There is no EV system or natures...
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There's still DV's and there is an EV system it just isn't capped at 512, I was more talking about the actual pokémon though. For example a competitive player would be more likely to use Pokémon like Alakazam or Gyarados, rather than something like ampharos.
 
I like testing the odds, so no. When you hatch something awesome and overcome near impossible odds, it makes you feel a sense of accomplishment.

Of course, this means I spend more time breeding stuff than actually playing the game >_>
 
no

most of us probably just enjoyed Adv/DP less because they weren't as good >_> I don't really think it has much to do with EV/whatnot
 
I know what the OP is saying, and I've felt a similar feeling, but think of it this way (as I've said to my buddy many a time while smoking many an oddish) "If we were on the TV show of pokemon, we'd be potrayed as immoral and cruel. We'd replicate a pokemon 67 times until it has the right nature/IV/HP/ability and then we'd pump it full of tedious battles with various heavy items on to raise it's EV's. Then we'd inject it with 1000000 experience points in the form of Rare Candy solution. Ash his company would battle it out with us, and while our Weaviles and Hitmonlees would make quick work of anything they threw at us, Pikachu would have to over power us in the end because it was raised with "Love"." Yes, there was supposed to be a heavy undertone of sarcasm throughout.

You see, I do play Sapphire and Leaf Green still.. I play them for leftovers, master balls, PP ups and Heart Scales. I'm on a mission to go get a better Rayquaza right now, and I usually prefer it if my starter has a good or neutral nature. I'm not going to use it again really, and if there's the occasional good nature, then that's awesome, I'll send it over.

It's not like playing the old games becomes not fun, or 'loses the spirit of pokemon', whatever you mean by that, it just becomes different. Try playing through the game to harvest items, it's still fun, in more of a 'I rule. You = Ownd' kind of way.
 
I like playing the old old old games more because you don't have to worry about IVs, EVs or natures... you just catch and enjoy :P
 
IVs/EVs don't ruin my experience. The single-player portion is perfectly playable however you want to do it. It doesn't require EVs/good IVs unless you want to go that way.For competitive playing, I'm glad it's about more than what 4 moves you give to Pokemon.
 
I play the new games without worrying about IVs/EVs/natures. If I want competetive battling I'll just go on Shoddy and not have to spend hours breeding for perfection. best of both worlds
 
Eh, I don't even play Wifi, but I like to play the game over sometimes. When I do, I breed pokes and then use them. I told myself I was going to just keep the first starter I got, but I ended up SR'ing for a while to get an Adamant (28+ Atk IV) Turtwig. Blue was so much easier when I could just pick Squirtle and then rampage with it.

I'd prefer being ignorant and just going with the first Turtwig I got, but I know I could do better. It's not like it really matters since I don't wifi though. The ones I bred are going to be used for Battle Tower when I get there, so they mattered.
 
Cynthia said:
I play the new games without worrying about IVs/EVs/natures. If I want competetive battling I'll just go on Shoddy and not have to spend hours breeding for perfection. best of both worlds
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I would 100% agree with this statement except I do not have the luxury of getting onto Shoddy battle anymore. It really pisses me off how shitty they take care of their fucking members... they don't even have a link to talk to the admins about getting banned by mistake.
 
Sunday said:
Funnily enough, I was initially appauled by the idea of EVs when I first found out about them in RSE and vowed never to play Pokemon again o.O
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^This is my case, sorta.
I knew they were around, I just didn't really understand at the time. Granted the concept is a little hard to grasp for some people.
But it wasn't until I battled online through Diamond with my friend that I found out the hard way. Ouch. I got thrashed, big time, and so did my pride.

But, I learned about EVs, then I learned about IVs a little bit later. I EV train now, and I also look for good IVs, but IVs aren't as important to me.
Someone earlier mentioned something about still playing for fun. My Pokemon's IVs aren't flawless by any means. I just try to get the best possible in the right places. To heck with the other stats if I'm not gonna use them. It makes my Pokemon unique, and makes them mine, you know?
Another factor is that I play only using the shinies I chained, bred or SR'd. It makes it even more sweet when I win this way, but since I don't mind losing anymore, it doesn't really matter. But all this still makes it still feel like me, and still makes it feel like I'm playing the game old-skool.

That doesn't mean I'm not as competitive as the guy sitting next to me. I'm one of those people who wants to play Brawl with items off. Bring it on. It's very fun to try and outsmart my opponent, which with the above details, I have to do it a little bit more to win. I'll probably lose by just a little, but I remember that my Pokemon are far from perfect. But those irregular IVs help keep the "fun old-skool" part in play. There'll always be someone better than you are, anyway.


Now that I've learned about IVs and EVs, do I regret it? Not really, because now I'm not being sidelined. I can actually participate in the game without getting totally thrashed. And somehow it still feels normal.


When I play through a game for the first time, do I think about EVs? Yes, but it's not going to ruin my experience. Do I think about IVs? Maybe. I may glance at the stats, and nature, to see what they're like. But I don't put too much thought into it.

Do I wish EVs/IVs didn't exist? Actually, not really. It seperates the boys from the men. You can still play little league without knowing that stuff or your could graduate and still be able to play competitively.


Unfortunately, my friend is a major casual...
He loves Pokemon. But sometimes we do not see eye to eye at all. He likes keeping his Pokemon in NFE like Charmander and stuff. He doesn't have a clue what EVs or IVs are. I could sweep his whole team with just my Roserade. He likes playing Brawl with items on. That's ok, but it can frustrate me a little. I want to win. He doesn't have a clue how to do the advanced techniques, and I don't think he'd want to learn. When I talk about them or playing with items off, he pretty much becomes a spoiled brat and calls it stupid, among other things. It's kinda annoying and I have to bite my tongue to keep myself from getting into a full fledged fight with him..

But I see a little bit of me there, too. The me that was before. The me who didn't have a clue. But the thing is, is that I'm still having fun playing competitive anything. I have fun winning, but I don't mind losing.

So no I don't regret learning about EVs/IVs. I did at first, but it really, really opens a whole new door on things. It expands the life of the game.


But I do miss playing with any Pokemon I want to, like in the old days. But as mentioned above, I still do! I still play with my favorites. So it doesn't make that much of a difference.
 
I found the game to be simple yet bland before I learned all about EVs and IVs, now its alot more interesting and competitive, which is what glues me to the franchise.
 
In a way.

I loved it when I thought my in-game team was perfect - I knew no better! But, I have learnt a lot and even though it doesn't have much to do with the game, I have made many new friends due to getting "into" the game.
 
Just because someone becomes a professional baseball player doesn't mean they can't recapture the innocence of their youth by throwing the ball around in the backyard with their brother. You can know a games deepest secrets and still enjoy the playful essence of it as well. What matters is your attitude and the venue in which you are playing.

Don't regret learning about EVs/IVs. Just tackle the story elements of the game for fun and enjoy the experience for what it is. Train that Shinx up to fight the E4 alongside your Chimchar and when you are done, worry about the big leagues. Or just play on Shoddy where you don't have to worry about training. It's all about your goals and mindset.
 
Actually for me, the addition of EVs and IVs make the game more fun, strategic and less of a kids' game than most people might think that it is.
 
I only feel that "regret" when I meet other people who know nothing about it. I also feel bad when little kids talk about stuff like "Scizor is the best Pokemon ever!" I feel bad because I've become power hungry, and I always want more. I can still play through the story line and not worry, but as soon as I catch a legendary, I get the competitive mindset and sideline it so I don't screw it up. Learning about IVs and EVs transformed me into a monster, but I souldn't want to go back because I care about winning and would fall back to the "dark side."
 
Yeah, seeing those little kids who play pokemon just because the pokemon look awesome or some other reason makes it that much hurtful or as stated before going to the " dark side " as they know nothing of EVs and IVs:(
 
Finding about IVs and EVs made the game a lot more interesting for me. Every Pokemon you battle is different in some way, unless an Action Replay DS was used to modify it.

Of course, without it, EV training, IV breeding, and egg moves are very annoying. I don't use simulators since I like playing the real thing better.
Then again, I can learn which Pokemon are actually a threat in a certain metagame and what isn't, and just how much stronger Huge Power, Pure Power, and the Choice items make the Pokemon, which made the game more technical, and ultimately for fun for me.
 
well for the sake of nostalgia I often just play through the old old games and try out different stuff. as far as anything else, I also watch the anime now and then for laughs.

otherwise, it's basically the teambuilding part of strategy specifically. that's what sets pokemon apart from chess, another game I enjoy a lot. though I never imagined way back long ago when I first found smogon that I'd ever spend so much time on this game. lol
 
Learning about IVs/EVs has changed my perspective of the game a lot. I first thought is was really boring, and theres not difference between Pokemon other than movesets. So when I found out in R/S/E era, that pokemon could differ with IVs and EVs, etc. I thought the game was given new life.

I found it pretty exciting that a "speed tie" could be broken if one pokemon had 30 speed IVs and not 31.

Breeding! Hmmm...where to start. Trying to breed the perfect child is pretty fun. It gives people more to do other than battling. I guess it also makes you anal about the Pokemon's abilities but the tradeoff is worth it for me.

Basically, I don't regret learning about IVs/EVs one bit.
 
Don't care how many people say it, but Learning about EVs/IVs was quite beneficial. I was always wondering why my friends Pokemon were stronger than mine,and now I know, and I can kick their asses with that skill that I aqquired.
 
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