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The Titans beat the Bengals, Texans, Jaguars.
0-3, 0-3, 1-2
How is that impressive?
I don't even have a say for the best AFC team.
I can't say Chargers with no wins.
No Brady...no Patriots as the top.
Colts...I hate them, and they suck.
Denver barely won 2 of the games.

Fuck it. Baltimore is AFC number 1. >.<

Every single one of the teams I wanted to win lost again. =(
NFL hates me.
 
The Titans (great defense, absurd running) and Steelers (great defense, great offense as long as Big Ben comes back next week) have both played much better than the Ravens so far. Why would you use such a blatantly specious argument as record at this point? The Titans beat those three teams! They are 0-3, 1-2, 0-2. That means that the Titans delivered 3 of the 7 losses those teams have!!
 
Steelers OL is terrible, which is why Ben is getting punted all over the place and they can't score on anyone. Ravens have hardly looked like slouches so far, they're just tough to evaluate since they've only played two games to everyone else's three.

Titans are the best team in the AFC, book it.
 
The power shift in the AFC is staggering. I noticed that none of you ranked the Bills up there, so allow me to present you with my own AFC Top Teams list:

1. Titans - good lord, that defense is frightening. If Collins, keeps playing steady QB, they'll shove my preseason "no playoffs" prediction right down my throat
2. Steelers - come on, the 2-1 Eagles are still the 2nd best team in the league right now, that's not a bad loss
3. Broncos - one of the most exciting offenses to watch, but they have allowed the third most points. They should be 2-1
4. Bills - that defense is for real, and if the offense stopped playing hot/cold we'd be a true force
5. Ravens - 160 yards per game on defense so far, but that's not saying much, they're still one game behind and let's see what happens when they play a real team

Might as well do the NFC:

1. Cowboys - I'm pretty sure we can all agree on this one
2. Eagles - only lost to the Cowboys, and it was damn close. They're solid on both sides of the ball
3. Packers - Rodgers is probably a step UP from Favre at this point. Grant really hasn't gotten rolling yet, but they haven't needed him to until last night
4. Giants - NFC BEast amirite? Seriously, everybody is overlooking them so far, but they're quietly kicking asses left and right
5. tie - Bucs/Redskins - this was really fucking tough, so I'm cheating.
 
I agree with DM's list..................for the most part. Here is my list:

AFC:

1) Titans - As crazy as this sounds, with Kerry Collins, they are the team to beat in the AFC! They play similar to the style of the Bears early in this decade: Effective 2-RB attack, excellent defense, and a QB that is effecient and doesn't turn the ball over very much. Bears got to the super bowl two years ago like this, and if Collins continues to be low in turnovers, they could do the same!

2) Bills- I have faith in the Bills this year! They have improved their defense greatly, and Trent Edwards, so far, is turning out to be a productive QB by passing the ball around and not trying to get it to Lee Evans all the time. Plus, Marshawn Lynch has begun to awaken as a top RB in the league. They may be 3-0, but they are still sleepers, and you can't take them lightly!

3) Steelers- Tons of talent on this team, but the OL isn't as great as years past. Plus, the health of Big Ben may be in jeporady later in the season. However, as of now, they are still a top team in the AFC.

4) Broncos- They're 3-0, and they have been a scoring machine, but they have given up 84 points in the first 3 games! This trend cannot continue if they want to reach the super bowl. Defense needs to improve, and the running game needs to be more active. They are below the 2-1 Steelers, because they SHOULD have been 2-1 instead of 3-0, thanks to that now infamous blown call.

5) Patriots- They went from one to five with that big loss over the Dolphins, but even with that stunning upset, you cannot rule them out as a top AFC team at 2-1. Let the Matt Cassel Patriots play a few more games before we make the huge decision to declare them an inferior team. There is a ton of talent on that team to just toss them aside as this point of the season.

(Note: If the Jets convincingly win tonight, I will rule them #5 over the Patriots)



NFC:

1) Cowboys- Obviously the best team in the NFC. We don't need to debate that one.

2) Eagles- I hate rating them over my Packers but I think they have just as dominant of an offense as the Cowboys, and their top two WR's are out! Defense is also pretty good.

3) Packers- They also lost to the Cowboys, and put Aaron Rodgers down to earth, but he is still having a great season as a first year QB. Defense is good, but Grant hasn't got it completely going yet. Similar to last year, it could take a few weeks to get the running game situated, and whenever they do, they will be in good shape.

4) Giants- I hate the Giants, because I dunno how in the world they are 3-0! They did struggle against the Bengals yesterday, which hurt a little bit. I will move them up once I see this team becoming consistantly good, because with 6 new starters on defense and another great early start from Eli Manning, they are exceeding all expectations.

5) Redskins: 4 out of 5 top teams from NFC East. That division is tough! Jason Cambell is having an excellent start, and Santana Moss is actually being consistant for once in his career! This last pick was tough, but Redskins just may go 9-7 and be last in their division! They are that good!
 
My problem with the Taylor trade is that in theory it's a great, and neccesary trade, but it comes in a year where 10-6 could very well be good enough for last in the NFC East. This seems like what's happening.

It's all going to depend on the division - whoever gets the most division wins will get into the playoffs.

Honestly I don't like our future - we still have a lot of overpaid guys (Clinton Portis, Jon Jansen, Randle-El, Marcus Washington, Cornelius Griffin, Shawn Springs, Fred Smoot, and to a lesser extent Chris Samuels and Randy Thomas, I'm looking straight at you) and we're a bit too old for my tastes in general (we have only a few really young core players - Cooley, Campbell, Landry, McIntosh, and to an extent Rogers)

I really wish we could have cut some of these guys or even better, traded some of them for picks.

and lol i picked the bills winning the division even before the brady injury

even though I didn't really know/think much of edwards (I know he played well in spots, but I didn't know he had solidifed his role as the starter)

btw vince young is a bust

stop drafting fast quarterbacks who can't throw

i mean, vick sucked as a QB and they blamed the WRs but matt ryan is doing fine huh
and they blamed young's wrs but fucking kerry collins is doing fine huh
 
:( as much as I hate to admit it, the Steelers deserved to lose that game. They played terribly on offense and allowed Ben to get sacked what, 9 times? Granted, the Eagles are IMO the second best team in the NFL right now, and played an amazing game, but there's no excuse to let your franchise QB take that much of a beating. I remember watching 6 or 7 plays in a row where an Eagle defender came at Ben UNBLOCKED. Pick that shit up guys, seriously. Steeler defense is still solid, which is why they only gave up 15 points. Can I just say it's funny that the team that has scored the MOST against the Steelers so far is the Texans?

As for around the league, whichever NFC team goes to the super bowl is going to win this year. And I'll bet 100 bucks it'll be an NFC East team. Figures that the Steelers pulled this division as their NFC opponent division this year =/.

AFC...I'm gonna have to give props to the Bills. I think they are legit and you will find in the next few weeks that they will be taken more seriously by everyone else.

In closing, fuck Denver, they are lucky. Always have been, always will be.
 
DM said:
2. Steelers - come on, the 2-1 Eagles are still the 2nd best team in the league right now, that's not a bad loss
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Well, considering the Eagles lost Westbrook early in the game and McNabb later as well...
 
Why even bother ranking the NFC if you are just going to rank four NFC East teams top four haha; not trying to ride you or anything, just lol; I do agree that other than the NFC East and Packers, and maybe the Bucs, no one else really seems to have done anything confidence inspiring yet. The Redskins are shaky if not for being NFC East, with only two more points scored than allowed, but who else would we take? Cardinals? 49ers? Panthers? Vikings? Bears? Maybe later, but definitely not for now.

The only reason I mentioned the Bills was because I was addressing who seem to be the consensus top two; Bills are my #3 so far for AFC, with the third best scoring defense of any team with three games (Jets and Ravens lower, both only two games) and the second best scoring offense (Denver being high above anyone, and Tennessee is third!).
 
yeah steelers oline isn't very good this year against really tough pass rush teams like jim johnson's eagles.

way to go pittsburgh, let's take rashard fucking mendenhall instead of a good lineman and use mendenhall about 5 times per game.

fuckkkkk fuck you whoever is responsible for that pick

fuck you

regardless pitt still has a good shot at taking the afc north crown. right now it looks like the ravens are the only serious contender. browns are too inconsistent, as are the bengals. and when you think of the bengals, you get this nasty funk smell with all the off field shit that's going on with that team.

i don't think the ravens are elite afc calibur, good defenses are going to make their rookie qb win the game. i don't think he's capable of that.

why the fuck are you guys counting out the colts and chargers already lol.


chargers will bounce back and start raping everyone, they'll be a top 4 afc team when it's said and done. denver is looking okay, chargers and broncos will butt heads and battle it out for the afc west crown. i'm not sold on the broncos though. they aren't going to be putting up these kinds of point totals week after week.

colts, jaguars, and titans are going to be beating each other up all season long. right now it's hard to say who'll come out on top...but i don't think the titans are at the same level as the other two. kerry fucking collins?

now that the patriots are basically out of the running (don't even tell me they are a top 5 afc team after the assrape the fins gave them), the afc is kind of wide open with either last year's top teams off to a slow start (jags, colts, chargers) or some surprise teams off to a great start (bills, titans, broncos), or the exception, the steelers who have a really awesome defense but offensive problems stemming from that fucking o line. and the toughest schedule in the league.

why the fuck did we take rashard mendenhall

WHY THE FUCK

gentlemen, the afc will be fun to watch this year. callin it.

also nfc east yet again takes 3 playoff spots and one of those three makes it into the super bowl.

i'm not much of an nfc guy but nfc east is clearly much better than the rest of the nfc. it's like the nfc east belongs in the afc LOL.

also fucking LOLS at j.t. o'sullivan. i remember playing madden and thinking nothing of the guy as a third stringer with like 60 ratings.

niners are still playing west coast offense right? o'sullivan seems suited to the role.

alex smith...yeah that's a bust.
 
ok... PLAY OFF TEAMS (not top 6).

AFC:

1. Titans - I have to say, the Titans are absolutely amazing as of now. Colins is a decent QB and with a Defense and RB group like they have, all he has to do is not turn it over. If he limits himself to 1 int a game at tops, he will lead this team to a super bowl.

2. Ravens - Ravens or the Steelers will take the number 2 spot depending on the MNF game. Right now, I rank the Ravens 2nd because of their consistency. The Ravens still have an amazing Defense, Joe Flacco is a good QB, the running game is working, and Stover is a good kicker (not as great as he used to be though)

3. Steelers - Steelers have problems on the line which is why I expect Baltimore to win the game but the Steelers are still solid on all other positions. Big Ben can win games and he quite a few threats in the backfield and on the ends. Troy P. is an amazing player and they definitely have depth in defense.

4. Broncos - I'm a huge Broncos fan but right now, we easily have the 3rd worst defense in the league. We better pull it together if we want to win the AFC West from the Chargers. Offense is the best in the NFL and Cutler is easily a top 5 QB right now.

5. Bills - Consistent, defensively strong, and offensively powerful but ... just solid not great. The Bills are in such a terrible division that they really can't mess it up. They just don't have the big impact players though which ranks them 5 at best.

6. Jaguars - I'll pick them for that last wildcard spot as they are still a good team.

I will edit with NFC later, I'm tired.
 
lol dude your rant is pretty inconsistent

Steeler said:
why the fuck are you guys counting out the colts and chargers already lol.
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I did a list of where teams currently sit. No matter how good they are, are you going to rank the 1-2 over the 3-0 Titants? Bills? Broncos?

colts, jaguars, and titans are going to be beating each other up all season long. right now it's hard to say who'll come out on top...but i don't think the titans are at the same level as the other two. kerry fucking collins?
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Just fyi, he did take the Giants to the Super Bowl about 5-6 years ago. His skills haven't declined THAT much.
 
I refuse to think the Titans are the best team in the League right now. Fantastic, physical defense...but they lack explosiveness. Sure, Chris Johnson is there, but he cannot do it all. Wait until they get into a game where they need points quickly. Kerry Collins? Seriously? Though he is a fantastic back-up and game manager, he is not the guy I want leading the 2:00 drill down by 6.



That said, they are still a good team. I always have hated Vince Young, and I am so happy to see they are much more successful without him.

And you cannot persuade me on Reggie Bush yet, Mr. E. OK, so everyone IS overpaid in the NFL, but thats not the point. I mean in comparison to everyone else contracts, based on his performance, thats an elite RB salary. He is not elite. A homerun hitter running back should not have 3.6 yds a carry.

And in his draft class, he is a joke! Lawrence Maroney is a beast when they give him a rare carry, and I would much rather DeAngelo Williams. Reggie Bush over Joseph Addai? NO WAY. I'd even rather have the 3rd Round Pick Jerious Norwood over Bush...in fact...

Jerious Norwood (2008)
Att. 31, 186 yds, 6 YPC, 1 TD

Reggie Bush
Att. 42, 152 yds, 3.6 YPC, 1 rush TD, 2 Rec. TD

Jerious is a backup. He is not even on the field for half of the Falcon snaps! He has 4 catches, 44 yds...and not even a starter. Sorry, but Bush does not quite cut it yet as an NFL RB.
 
RaichuGuardian said:
I refuse to think the Titans are the best team in the League right now.
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That's fine, since nobody else thinks that either. In fact, anyone that doesn't believe the Cowboys are the best team in the NFL right now is insane. (I assume you meant AFC? Har har.) :P

I don't care if Bush averages 3.6 YPC. Yeah, it's fun to laugh at him for it. He's also third in the league in yards from scrimmage (7 behind Forte, 10 behind Gore) and leads the league in receptions, so he must be doing something right. What does it matter how he's doing it? He's arguably a top five back right now, I'm sure NO fans aren't complaining about it. Comparing his performance to his contract size is a joke, right?

Almost as much of a joke as you actually believing LOLrence Maroney and DeAngelose Williams are anything but worthless. Norwood does own, though.
 
As a fan of the Titans, I am not excited to have Collins quarterbacking, but what he does offer is great experience and levelheadedness, which is the exact reason Vince Young (though maybe in conjunction with injuries, who really knows) is benched right now. Gage and Scaife are going to provide Collins a pretty good group of guys to go to, and with such great defense and running, as well as a good running back and tight end, then I really do not see how you can even discuss the Colts with them right now. Chargers are a team that always seems to start the season slowly recently, so I never counted them out, but I am counting the Colts out. The Jaguars had very little going on with their rushing attack, but put against the Colts they were suddenly unstoppable. Unless the Colts can find a way to defend the run, then the Colts can only win like the Broncos are (which, by the way, will fail in the playoffs).
 
Looks like the Pats and the Colts are out of it this year, all those years of straight domination are lost this year.

All I can say is that Dallas better not fuck up its chance at winning the Super Bowl. This would be the best year to do it, since it seems like the AFC is weak.

But I will just sit back and watch next year when the Pats get a Top 15 pick, Brady will be back, and its all over.....
 
Mr.E said:
That's fine, since nobody else thinks that either. In fact, anyone that doesn't believe the Cowboys are the best team in the NFL right now is insane. (I assume you meant AFC? Har har.) :P


Almost as much of a joke as you actually believing LOLrence Maroney and DeAngelose Williams are anything but worthless. Norwood does own, though.
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Well, a lot of TV correspondents have been saying the Titans are the best team in the league right now, just basing it off them.

Though I hate to say the Cowboys are the best...ugh, they are. How I hate them so. Tony Romo is so hatable.

Lawrence Maroney is just in the wrong place at the wrong time. Pre-Moss and Welker, this guy was BEAST. But then the Brady Pass Attack got going, and he was shoved to the side. He is a number 1 back in this league. DeAngelo Williams is a starter, and I love the explosion he gives. He is just a better pure runner than Reggie Bush.

Bush needs to just prove to me he can get it done when it really matters. What does it matter if he has all those catches? If the Saints can't establish a running game, they are going to be where they were last year. An explosive offense with a piss-terrible defense. But that is managable if you have a running game that can keep your offense on the field longer. Reggie Bush needs to be the guy who can be a Number 1 back, and he simply is not.

I don't care how many times the ball bounces the Broncos way, they are an outstanding team. Cutler is a stud, and Marshall a beast.

And, lastly, I make NFL Highlight videos and post them on YouTube. If you guys would, please check them out. My favorite is the "The Failures of Michael Vick."

www.youtube.com/xzydeath for all the videos, currently 4. I need ideas for who to do next, so feel free to PM me or post on YouTube.
 
Speaking of Scaife... What the hell happened to Alge Crumpler?

RaichuGuardian said:
Lawrence Maroney is just in the wrong place at the wrong time. Pre-Moss and Welker, this guy was BEAST. But then the Brady Pass Attack got going, and he was shoved to the side. He is a number 1 back in this league. DeAngelo Williams is a starter, and I love the explosion he gives. He is just a better pure runner than Reggie Bush.
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Well saying that Reggie Bush is poor as a pure rusher is no big secret, but he's still producing in other manners. Maroney was weak before Moss/Walker got there, he's no better than Sammy Morris. DeAngelo I've been a bit harsh on, since he's always been stuck in a committee, but he's merely average still. (His buddy DeShaun Foster sucks too, Williams is just Foster without the butter hands.)

Running game isn't that important to the Saints. They ran only 37% of the time last year. The Patriots last year were only the most prolific offense ever and they passed out of shotgun half the time. Hell, the entire West Coast Offense philosophy is based on the short passing game and spreading the ball more than a real rushing game. Not every team has to be built on a strong running game and the Saints aren't one of those teams. Besides, Reggie's ability to catch screens and swing passes out of the backfield make a decent substitute and Pierre Thomas is at least serviceable back there right now.
 
RaichuGuardian said:
Lawrence Maroney is just in the wrong place at the wrong time. Pre-Moss and Welker, this guy was BEAST. But then the Brady Pass Attack got going, and he was shoved to the side. He is a number 1 back in this league. DeAngelo Williams is a starter, and I love the explosion he gives. He is just a better pure runner than Reggie Bush.

Bush needs to just prove to me he can get it done when it really matters. What does it matter if he has all those catches? If the Saints can't establish a running game, they are going to be where they were last year. An explosive offense with a piss-terrible defense. But that is managable if you have a running game that can keep your offense on the field longer. Reggie Bush needs to be the guy who can be a Number 1 back, and he simply is not.
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Are you kidding? Pre-Moss and Welker, Maroney was an average Running Back at best and right now while Brady is out, hes not even producing at the level he was producing before (granted he his hurt). I don't understand how you can call an average player a "BEAST," hes had 2 average seasons in a high powered offense.

I don't see why anyone wouldn't take Reggie Bush over a player like Maroney and Williams, those types of backs come along every year, but a Marshall Faulk type player only comes along every so often, and Reggie Bush definitely has the skill set to be that type of player. Bush can definitely bring up his rushing numbers if he starts to rush North-South instead of East-West.

PS Jonathan Stewart > DeAngelo Williams
 
Mr.E said:
Running game isn't that important to the Saints. They ran only 37% of the time last year. The Patriots last year were only the most prolific offense ever and they passed out of shotgun half the time. Hell, the entire West Coast Offense philosophy is based on the short passing game and spreading the ball more than a real rushing game. Not every team has to be built on a strong running game and the Saints aren't one of those teams. Besides, Reggie's ability to catch screens and swing passes out of the backfield make a decent substitute and Pierre Thomas is at least serviceable back there right now.
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And, they were 7-9 last year.

Please. You and I both know the Pats were special circumstances. C'mon, do you think something like that is going to happen again? That was a once in a lifetime sort of thing.

The WCO is not the WCO of what it used to be. Every single team in some ways uses the WCO. And those championship Niners teams that won all those Championships? It wasn't like they had an anemic running game, which the Saints seem to have. And I am not saying you need a strong running game to win, but do you know how much it helps?

Mind you, Bush got most of the attempts last week, and still couldnt put it together against a horrible Denver D. He is doing a good job at "reciever" while Colston is gone, but I would much rather Addai and Norwood =D

I did go a bit overboard on Maroney, but I still truly think if he was on another team he would have much more success.

Anyone see the Ryan to White 70 yard bomb? Ryan made it RAIN. And the backflip Roddy did was awesome =P
 
Uggh what a horrible Packers game i knew they were gonna lose but i didnt think we would lose Al Harris for THE SEASON, both our safeties and a MLB? Jeez thats ridiculous. I was real happy though with our Pass defense Nick Collins is a guy that can help this Packers team win football games if he steps up. Overall i think once we get Bigby back, Collins back, and give the o line 2 more weeks to gel (they havent had the same lineup as last year yet which is esential in the zone blocking scheme) and work on the play calling a tad, the Packers are going to be an elite defense and i believe will have a shot at Dallas in round 2.

Haa imagine if the Packers went out and got Ty law rofl epic.

Also looks life FAvre got shutdown- lllloooollll
 
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