It's raining, it's pouring!

[kingdra-13]

Hi Smogon! This is my first RMT, tell me if I broke any rules and yeah…have fun rating.

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I love playing theme teams; standard teams are just too…standard. My playing style is summed up as offensive, as I love ending a battle quickly. A rain dance team fits both of these things, and that’s the team I’m showing you today.

The platinum metagame is extremely offensive, setter-uppers can’t set-up without getting a huge dent, stall has become much more unstable. With the rain, I have the ability to out speed all, or almost all foes and the power to unleash powerful double STAB on opponents, it’s priceless. The amount of Tyranitars and Abomasnows showing their faces has been reduced due to Bullet Punching Scizor. All-out stall, as I said is also becoming rare as the offensive metagame gives them a hard time. Now, platinum’s move tutors introduced yet another way to destroy heavy stall, the move known as Trick.

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At A Glance:

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Changes in RED
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Strategy:
Since my team is all out offensive, the basic strategy is obviously to bring down the opponent as fast as possible. Azelf starts of the battle with 7 turns of lovely rain. Then out comes my 2 Swift Swimmers (Ludicolo and Kabutops) ripping holes in the opposition. Scizor reveals itself in the presence of Abomasnow, Tyranitar, Blissey, etc. Bronzong is another Rain Dancer. After setting up Stealth Rocks, a few turns of rain and tearing a massive gap in the foe’s team, Kingdra jumps out of its poke ball and cleans up the mess.
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Azelf @ Damp Rock
Ability: Levitate
Evs: 252 HP/6 Atk/252 Spe
Jolly nature (+Spe, -SpA)
-Rain Dance
-Stealth Rock
-U-Turn
-Explosion

Azelf is my lead: I usually set up stealth rock first unless Azelf‘s going to die before I am able to start the Rain Dance(I guess I don’t want to waste the rain), then I Rain Dance and then I either U-Turn or Explode. Hopefully, this little gnome could snag me a free KO. I choose Azelf because it sets up SR, rain and is fatser than most Taunt-users. Another good selling point is that most people are blinded by the fact that Azelf possess Nasty Plot and 125 SpA, they forget that it also has 125 Atk and Explosion. Once on Shoddy, someone actually sent out their Blissey into my Explosion.

The EVs are pretty bulky, so I could survive a hit or two. Speed is important, so it’s maxed. The rest is dumped into Atk.
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Ludicolo @ Life Orb
Ability: Swift Swim
EVs: 64 Atk/252 SpA/194 Spe
Modest nature (+SpA, -Atk)
-Surf
-Energy Ball
-Ice Beam
-Focus Punch

This guy is a vital member of this team, awesome coverage, 306 SpA and he destroys things like Suicune, Hippowdon, Tyranitar, etc. Coupled with terrific resistances and base 100 SpD, he can also sponge attacks as he dishes them out. Energy Ball over Grass Knot is mainly because of Vaporeon and it stills 2HKOs Gyarados and friends. Loving the Focus Punch on my dancing Mexican(Credit to Peachfuzz).

194 Spe EVs makes me faster than max speed Salamence in rain even after DD(I think). Max special attack is needed and the rest is just poured into Atk to power up Focus Punch.

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Kabutops @ Life Orb
Ability: Swift Swim
EVs: 6 HP/252 Atk/252 Spe
Adamant(+Atk -SpA)
-Stone Edge
-Waterfall
-Aqua Jet
-Brick Break/X-Scizzor

kabutops' job is similar to Ludicolos'. Stone Edge is my main form of attack, while Waterfall takes advantage of double STAB and promote surprisingly good coverage. Aqua Jet destroys weakened pokes. Brick Break kills Empoleon who resist everything else I have and X-Scizzor gives me some insurance against the occasional Celebi.

I'm not sure about the EVs but this works. extra HP points are pretty useless since kabutops can't take much hits.
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Bronzong @ Damp Rock
Ability: Levitate
EVs: 252 HP/129Atk/129Def
Impish nature (+Def, -SpA)
-Rain Dance
-Light Screen
-Reflect
-Explosion

Bronzong is present in almost if not all Rain Dance teams. This one is not much different. Start a downpour, set-up some screens and BOOM. You may notice that I love Explosion, it’s just that great. It allows rain abusers to come in unscathed, complements the offensive strategy and get some cheap KOs.

The EVs are jacked from the analysis, “torrential Zong”. max HP for sturdiness, the remaining EVs is split between power and defense.
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Scizor @ Damp Rock
Ability: Technician
EVs: 252 HP/252 Atk/6 Spe
Adamant(+Atk, -SpA)
-Rain Dance
-Swords Dance
-Bullet Punch
-Superpower/Brick Break

Scizor’s effectiveness in rain was first discovered by Legacy Raider I think. Either way, he's working great here. The crimson bug’s main job is to set up rain and to eradicate weather changers and special walls that could stop my beloved Kingdra. Instead, if Kingdra dies as my mid-game wall breaker, Scizor becomes my late-game sweeper.

I choose a bulkier spread here so I could take down some troublesome foes and set up Rain Rance. 252 Atk is obvious. The remaining 6 is thrown into Spe.

One tiny thing I need to ask is about Superpower, is the power worth the Atk and Def drop? Or should I just get Brick Break?
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Kingdra @ Life Orb
Ability: Swift Swim
EVs: 252 Atk/242 SpA/16 Spe
Naughty (+Atk -SpD)
-Rain Dance
-Waterfall
-Hydro Pump
-Draco Meteor

Kingdra is my favourite pokemon and is the star of the team. After hearing(reading) some comments about changing him(he was special) to the mix variant, I tested it and loved it. Kingdra's remarkably good at breaking the mid-game wide open and cleaning up after Ludicolo and Co. If kingdra dies in the mid-game, Scizor replaces him as the janitor.

This Spread was also stolen from the analysis, but this time it’s the Platinum analysis. The EVs generate enough speed to outrun Modest Scarfed Porygon-Z and Timid Scarf Heatran. The rest is split between physical offense and special offence.

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Previous Member(s):

Qwilfish @ Life Orb
Ability: Swift Swim
EVs: 6 HP/252Atk/252Spe
Adamant nature (+Atk, -SpA)
-Rain Dance
-Waterfall
-Poison Jab
-Explosion

He’s almost the same as my dancing Mexican, just that Qwilfish is a physical attacker and he has access to the ever sexy Explosion. Combined with Swift Swim and 317 attack, this guy almost always brings down 2 pokes or at least leaves a giant scar. This combination of speed and power is game breaking. Water and Poison together has a surprisingly good coverage. He absorbs toxic spikes and gets rid of some other nuisances that Ludicolo can’t get rid of, namely Celebi.

Pretty standard Evs, max attack for power, max speed for speed.
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Well there it is. While you rate, put the following into thought:

• The team has no Electric resistance.

• Dugtrio over Scizor for better trapping purposes. *Don't think so, Scizor's doing fine*

• No mixed attacker/wall breaker. *Fixed*

• I get swept by Lucario and Gyarados if it sets up.

• Rotom-W seems good, passable SpA with STAB Thunder and Hydro Pump. Awesome defenses combined with dual screens and a sturdy Rain Dance is a plus. The washing machine also gives me Electric resist. Just don't know if I should put it in my team, if so, who should I take out?

I’ll add to the list when I think of other things. So rate away! Thank you Smogon in advance.

 

[IronGross]

I love playing theme teams; standard teams are just too…standard. My playing style is summed up as offensive, as I love ending a battle quickly. A rain dance team fits both of these things, and that’s the team I’m showing you today.

Are you a lost soul? I was awaiting someone with such a originality-minded thought for a long time...
~If this is a shoody team (ane therefor you can change nature and EVs), try and use Thunder on Azelf. If not, change nothing.
~Where's Gorebyss :<? Gorebyss is as assert to any Rain-based team. But, if you chose not to use my lady :< ...
~Ice Beam on Kingdra, please. You already have Scizor to take care of Celebi (which still recives X2 damage from Ice Beam anyway).
~You know what I liked about Scizor beeing here? the Rain helps it take Fire attacks! But still, X-Scizzor insted of Superpower.
~Just use Lanturn insted of Bronzong-it's both immune to Electric and can set-up rain for you.
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Haha, the revenge of Water :P ...great team!

 

[[Darkrai]]

The only thing I see wrong is that you do not have a single Thunder. In alliance with Rain Dance, Thunder makes a pretty good dent, specially against Flying and opposing Waters. 5 of your Pokemon have Rain Dance, which is a little unnessecary, seeing as most of your Pokemon are some type of Attacker. 3 Explosions; what if your opponent sends out a Ghost-type? That is three Pokemon down the drain. Just spitting some weaknesses out there.

 

[gec]

Love love love rain teams. Just a few gripes though.

First of all Azelf. I don't like having SR or U-Turn. SR is already covered by Bronzong and lets face it, he's better, so you're just wasting a slot there. You usually wont find the time to U-Turn since I doubt Azelf will be alive after Rain Dancing and setting up your Rocks. What I think you should do is make it a dual screen set. This would be great because pumping up your teams defenses by 2 stages is just too good to pass up. Imagine sweeping your opponents team while they can't damage you very much at all if they should live a hit. Sounds good, right? Here's the set I would use for that Azelf:

Azelf @ Light Clay
Jolly - 252 HP/252 Speed/4 Attack
-Explosion
-Rain Dance
-Light Screen
-Reflect

You still get to set up Rain Dance (albeit a five turn one) but you get those nifty 8 turn screens up :D.

For Ludicolo, I really like Focus Punch. You have enough Rain Dancers tbh, so Fcosu Punch will be good. Simply put those HP EVs into attack and change your nature to Mild.

On Scizor, I really don't like the idea of Swords Dance. I'd rather have immediate, immense power instead of setting up and wasting a turn of precious Rain. I suggest you change it to a Choice Band set, something like:

Scizor @ Choice Band
Adamant - 252 Attack/252 Speed/6 HP
-U Turn
-Bullet punch
-Pursuit
-Super power

There are a lot of merits to using this, especially in U Turn. U Turn practically grants you a free switch to one of your sweepers so they get in unscathed. That means that with Life Orb and Stealth Rock you'll stay around just that bit longer.

Also another thing is that a CB U Turn really puts the hurt on a lot of Pokemon. Take Zapdos for example. It takes around 30% from a CB U Turn. Thats a pretty huge dent and factoring in Stealth Rock, you can KO it easily so it won't be a problem.

Finally, I really strongly suggest you make Kingdra Mixed. That's arguably its best use, and you said you don't have a Mixed Attack or Wall breaker. It would be perfect ;D

Kingdra @ Life Orb
Naughty - 252 Attack /16 Speed/ 240 Special Attack
-Waterfall
-Surf
-Draco Meteor
-Rain Dance

This will absolutely obliterate anything not named Empoleon. Seriously, use this. It will break most walls tbh, and it will help to defeat Blissey for a Ludicolo sweep which is nice.

-GEC.

 

[kingdra-13]

Are you a lost soul? I was awaiting someone with such a originality-minded thought for a long time...
~If this is a shoody team (ane therefor you can change nature and EVs), try and use Thunder on Azelf. If not, change nothing.
~Where's Gorebyss :<? Gorebyss is as assert to any Rain-based team. But, if you chose not to use my lady :< ...
~Ice Beam on Kingdra, please. You already have Scizor to take care of Celebi.
~You know what I liked about Scizor beeing here? the Rain helps it take Fire attacks! But still, X-Scizzor insted of Superpower.
~Just use Lanturn insted of Bronzong-it's both immune to Electric and can set-up rain for you.
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Haha, the revenge of Water :P ...great team!

Lol, thanks.
this is shoddy. thunder on azelf is cool, but u-turn is good so i dont have to spread evs.gorebyss, i dont know. i thought about using it, but it's coverage isn't all that great. on scizor, superpower is for empoleon and blissey, so dunno about x-scizzor. lanturn's pretty cool, but besides being water, and volt absorb, it doesn't really benefir from rain....ice beam on kingdra is cool.

 

[IronGross]

The only thing I see wrong is that you do not have a single Thunder. In alliance with Rain Dance, Thunder makes a pretty good dent, specially against Flying and opposing Waters. 5 of your Pokemon have Rain Dance, which is a little unnessecary, seeing as most of your Pokemon are some type of Attacker. 3 Explosions; what if your opponent sends out a Ghost-type? That is three Pokemon down the drain. Just spitting some weaknesses out there.

As I already said, Lanturn-it has STAB Thunder, is immune to Electric thanks to Volt Absorb and can setup Rain if neaded.

 

[IronGross]

Lol, thanks.
this is shoddy. thunder on azelf is cool, but u-turn is good so i dont have to spread evs.gorebyss, i dont know. i thought about using it, but it's coverage isn't all that great. on scizor, superpower is for empoleon and blissey, so dunno about x-scizzor. lanturn's pretty cool, but besides being water, and volt absorb, it doesn't really benefir from rain....ice beam on kingdra is cool.

Gorebyss has massive special attack, which is obviously veru helpful.
Lanturn will enjoy the rain, having a 100% accuratye Thunder and boosted Surfs. Use it!
You can also add in Starmie as a second user of Thunder, or Floatzel to outurn anything in sight.

 

[IceTime]

nice team yo, i still love Ludi with Focus Punch. =D Anyways, first a response to the suggestions made by spheal,

Thunder isn't needed for Azelf since you don't have something to put it over, U-Turn is good so that you can use Zelf again later, probably, due to its speed. Explosion is gamebreaking, Stealth Rocks are a must for a RD team, and Rain Dance is vital too.

Gorebyss is not required as Ludicolo is more effective in an RD Team to lure Bliss, reliably kill it, and provide powerful Grass STAB for Bulky waters. On this team, there really isn't a spot for Gorebyss.

With Scizor's superpower, I tend to go Brick Break instead as it helps to break screens which hamper a Rain Sweep, considering it nullifies the rain boost and a little more. Superpower is good though to take care of Snorlax and the like, I have no idea what X-Scissor would acheive since Celebi isn't much of a problem IMO. Qwilfish takes it easily and Ludi beats Defensive Seeder Versions.

Bronzong > Lanturn. The rain nullifies its fire weakness making it effectively the best transition pokemon in rain. Bronzong also provides backup rocks, and the gamebreaking explosion to boot, keeping the offensive up on your opponent. Thunder Wave support isnt necessary since you are going to outspeed a hell lot in rain anyway.

With Kingdra, take this set and try it out, credit to Raikoulover.

Kingdra @ Life Orb
252 Atk/240 SpAtk/16 Speed
Naughty
Swift Swim
Moves:
Dragon Dance
Waterfall
Hydro Pump
Draco Meteor

Provides you with what is the most fearsome mixed sweeper in rain. Hydro Pump+Draco Meteor takes care of Celebi as well as Suicune and a few other bulky waters that decide to impede your sweep bar vaporeon. Don't get greedy with DD since you'll want to take out the stuff thats coming in, and if its a bulky water, you'll regret that you didnt Hydro Pump first (bar the water dog)

it sweeps well late game, albeit now you have to rely on Ludi as your main special attacker, you can stay with Special Kingdra, but then I suggest you change Qwilfish.

Qwilfish @ Life Orb
252 Atk/252 Speed/4 HP
Jolly
Swift Swim
Moves:
Swords Dance
Waterfall
Poison Jab
Explosion

Trust me, it works, SD Explosion ruins everything, so when you're done whacking hard with Qwilfish 2 STABs that can ruin even a Swampert at high health, boom on something and continue your sweep with Kingdra/Ludicolo.

If you take that though, give Scizor Rain Dance since you need more Rain Support, if not SandStorm teams will setup sandstorm with impunity.

A few more considerations,

Consider Reflect or Light Screen over Hypnosis, since then your SDers can setup more easily, and your sweepers can sweep with more confidence, dont replace damp rock though, you need the 8 turn rain. Hypnosis has really taken a beating, and I find its not worth using on Zong, mainly due to its low speed and you're going to take an extra hit every time you miss, other than stuff like Crobat, since when Crobat misses, hes guaranteed at least a Rain Dance before he dies if hes faster, which he should be, bar stuff higher than base 130 or scarfers.

Yep, thats all, hope i helped, i love seeing RD teams, haha, consider it my obsession. (maybe its not that bad)

EDIT: what the shit, i took so long to type this 5 RESPONSES APPEARED BEFORE ME.

EDIT: Giant Enemy Crab, I don't think he has enough Rain Dancers IMO, SandStorm teams actually beat RD teams who cannot setup RD fast enough since with Hyper Offensive RD teams that rely on Swift Swim so much, the fact stays that without Rain, the team will fall easily. Choice Band set is cool haha I've been using it, Brick Break over Superpower? I appreciate the power, but a misprediction cost me once, and screens pissed me, after that i've been using Brick Break, i think his team doesnt like screens that much either.

 

[DiglettX3]

Why must you copy this? Are you seriously that unoriginal? The only differences are your changes to Scizor's movepool and Bronzong. And you added Quilfish because Legacy Rider decided to test it. This is not cool. Not only is it stupid to directly copy another team, but it is REALLY stupid to post it in the same forum.

 

[reachzero]

Agreeing with Giant Enemy Crab that you'd be better off with SR on Bronzong, which is much more reliable, especially over Hypnosis, which is increasingly useless with its 60% accuracy, especially on a faced-paced offensive team like a rain team. In fact, Crobat has some definite advantages over Azelf as a Rain Dance lead for you, since it's faster than other Azelfs (which could Taunt it) and then U-Turn to your sweepers. I also agree with GEC that Choice Band Scizor is the superior choice for you, since turns of setup is a serious issue for a Rain Dance team.

 

[kingdra-13]

thanks guys, and diglett: how do you know that i copied his, and that he didn't copy mine?
anyways, ill try the new mixdra and and screening zong. oh and how 'bout jirachi....thunder, water pulse+serene grace is cool =p cb scizor and focus punching ludidcolo will be tested aswell.
and thx again especially to GEC and icetime.

 

[DiglettX3]

thanks guys, and diglett: how do you know that i copied his, and that he didn't copy mine?

Well, first the fact that your not actually claiming you didn't copy him. Also, if he copied you, he wouldn't have done Kabutops and then tried Quilfish. Legacy Rider has also been here for WAY longer than you have, and using that we can make the assumption he thought up the idea before you along with the fact that his RMT was posted before yours.

 

[Legacy Raider]

thanks guys, and diglett: how do you know that i copied his, and that he didn't copy mine?
anyways, ill try the new mixdra and and screening zong. oh and how 'bout jirachi....thunder, water pulse+serene grace is cool =p cb scizor and focus punching ludidcolo will be tested aswell.
and thx again especially to GEC and icetime.

Hmm, maybe because I posted the team nearly a month before you, and that I had been using it for more than a month before that?

Sorry to begin my post in such a negative manner, but I took offense at this. I don't mind you using a version of my team, but what I do mind is being accused of stealing the team off of you.

However, if you are using teams that are so similar to my team in addition to this team, then maybe instead of posting a pointless RMT you could just use the advice in those respective threads and start your team from there. I don't think there is much point in this team being rated, since almost all the advice given in those threads is relevant here.

But I'm a nice guy and you're relatively new here, so I'll rate your team for you anyway. First of all, you have two Stealth Rockers on your team. I know how essential it is for a Rain team to have SR support, but it is not worth wasting another moveslot for. Your Bronzong won't get much done, seeing as two of his moves are really redundant. If you are using a Rain team, you are going to have to accept that you will create a very fast pace to the battle. Because of this, you can't afford to waste turns at all. Hypnosis' shitty accuracy will let you down more when you miss than when you get a lucky sleep. The second Stealth Rock is redundant. Because of this, I would strongly suggest Light Screen and Reflect over SR and Hypnosis. It will help your sweepers immensely, and if you use it you will see the improvement almost straight away. Keep Damp Rock.

With your Ludicolo, I don't know which weird Salamences you are trying to outrun with 174 Spe EVs. If you want to beat +1 Adamant Salamence in the rain, use 196 Spe EVS. And if you are planning on using Focus Punch (which I strongly suggest over Rain Dance), then dump the excess EVs in Atk to be able to 2HKO Blissey with Focus Punch + Surf.

On Scizor, drop Pursuit and go for Rain Dance, and use a Damp Rock over Life Orb. You need more than 2 reliable rain dancers on a team based so extensively on it as this. Also, consider Brick Break over Superpower to mess up Dual Screen opponents.

And personally, I find Kabutops and his powerful Aqua Jet to be more helpful to a Rain team than Qwilfish and his Explosion. You have 2 Explosions as it is, and with a third you really are inviting the opponent to wall with you with a ghost. Blissey + Rotom-a gives you enough trouble as it is.

That's it. If you are wondering, then Dugtrio does make an excellent addition to a Rain team. Use it over Scizor, and change Ludicolo's Focus Punch to Rain Dance. However, Scizor does bring his own unique benefits, and I personally prefer him over Duggy for Rain Dance teams.

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Final note. Please don't accuse people of copying things from you. You may not have seen my RMT, so I'm not at all saying you copied me. But when someone links you to it, please have the courtesy to not smash that original poster.

Good luck with the team.

Thank you, LR.

 

[kingdra-13]

Hmm, maybe because I posted the team nearly a month before you, and that I had been using it for more than a month before that?

I don't mind you using a version of my team, but what I do mind is being accused of stealing the team off of you.

However, if you are using teams that are so similar to my team in addition to this team, then maybe instead of posting a pointless RMT you could just use the advice in those respective threads and start your team from there. I don't think there is much point in this team being rated, since almost all the advice given in those threads is relevant here.

But I'm a nice guy and you're relatively new here, so I'll rate your team for you anyway. First of all, you have two Stealth Rockers on your team. I know how essential it is for a Rain team to have SR support, but it is not worth wasting another moveslot for. Your Bronzong won't get much done, seeing as two of his moves are really redundant. If you are using a Rain team, you are going to have to accept that you will create a very fast pace to the battle. Because of this, you can't afford to waste turns at all. Hypnosis' shitty accuracy will let you down more when you miss than when you get a lucky sleep. The second Stealth Rock is redundant. Because of this, I would strongly suggest Light Screen and Reflect over SR and Hypnosis. It will help your sweepers immensely, and if you use it you will see the improvement almost straight away. Keep Damp Rock.

With your Ludicolo, I don't know which weird Salamences you are trying to outrun with 174 Spe EVs. If you want to beat +1 Adamant Salamence in the rain, use 196 Spe EVS. And if you are planning on using Focus Punch (which I strongly suggest over Rain Dance), then dump the excess EVs in Atk to be able to 2HKO Blissey with Focus Punch + Surf.

On Scizor, drop Pursuit and go for Rain Dance, and use a Damp Rock over Life Orb. You need more than 2 reliable rain dancers on a team based so extensively on it as this. Also, consider Brick Break over Superpower to mess up Dual Screen opponents.

And personally, I find Kabutops and his powerful Aqua Jet to be more helpful to a Rain team than Qwilfish and his Explosion. You have 2 Explosions as it is, and with a third you really are inviting the opponent to wall with you with a ghost. Blissey + Rotom-a gives you enough trouble as it is.

That's it. If you are wondering, then Dugtrio does make an excellent addition to a Rain team. Use it over Scizor, and change Ludicolo's Focus Punch to Rain Dance. However, Scizor does bring his own unique benefits, and I personally prefer him over Duggy for Rain Dance teams.

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Final note. Please don't accuse people of copying things from you. You may not have seen my RMT, so I'm not at all saying you copied me. But when someone links you to it, please have the courtesy to not smash that original poster.

Thank you, LR.

thx for your tips but you've mistaken what i meant. i didn't steal your team and you didn't steal my team. just pretend i didn't say anything. sorry for the misunderstanding. anyway, i like the dual screen zong. i'll try your scizor(is it better or cb?). and for kabutops, cb or sd? aqua jet in rain sounds cool!

 

[Legacy Raider]

thx for your tips but you've mistaken what i meant. i didn't steal your team and you didn't steal my team. just pretend i didn't say anything. sorry for the misunderstanding. anyway, i like the dual screen zong. i'll try your scizor(is it better or cb?). and for kabutops, cb or sd? aqua jet in rain sounds cool!

No problem =). Don't take this as being cocky or anything, but I used and perfected that rain dance team for a very long time. I had tried most everything that's been suggested here and the things you've been trying (Dugtrio, MixDra, Qwilfish, Zapdos, etc..). The team I posted is really the end result, i.e. in my opinion the best full offensive rain team for the Platinum metagame. That's why I got a bit protective lol when you insinuated plagiarism.

On Scizor, I'd really stick with Damp Rock. Scizor is actually a very reliable user of Rain Dance thanks to his great typing and defense. Plus it's not very common, and so not expected. And who's gonna switch their Ttar into Scizor and ruin your rain lol?

With Kabutops, I'd stick with Life Orb. Swords Dance isn't really worth a shot - you won't have time to set up. Choice Band is bad because it limits your versatility, which is pretty essential on a team like this. You can't waste turns switching - just use a pokemon till it dies or rain runs out, rinse and repeat.

Anyway, I'm sorry for the misunderstanding. I wish you luck with your team =).

LR.

 

[RaikouLover]

The one thing I will disagree with Legacy Raider on is in regards to Qwilfish and Kabutops. They are a personal preference since they both play similar and both have their advantages. Kabutops doesn't give a shit about Sandstorm and Qwilfish helps vs. Toxic Spikes. But the main point is that Swords Dance actually IS worth th slot and time if you can set it up. It will double your power and will really put a hurting on Stall Teams (especially with Qwilfish, since after a Swords Dance, Explosion trumps anything in the game, and waterfall OHKOing Hippowdon and doing like 80-90% to Skarm / Forry in the Rain). However, in order to use Swords Dance on either, you have to change your nature to Jolly and Max Speed. This may seem like overkill on a Rain team, but the importance is the extra KOs you get after Rain, which really makes a difference. So I would test either, and only Swords Dance if you can get the chance because most of the time you won't need it. However, it can really seal the deal on a match.

 

[kingdra-13]

Alrighty then...did some testing and this is what I got. I put a lot of effort into this! Please rate!:happybrain:...