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np: UU - A New Beginning

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Learning the metagame in UU is hard. It may take a while for the new UU users, but it's a breathe of fresh air and new beggining (see what I did there with the title?)

With a combo of stall teams, offensive teams, balanced teams, bulky teams, etc. It creates a whole new metagame. For those that haven't tried it, it's a good chance to try it now.
 
A lot of people are talking about dragonair does this or that, but I haven't really heard much about how Altaria doesn't do it better by having earthquake and good defenses rather than crap defenses.
 
A lot of people are talking about dragonair does this or that, but I haven't really heard much about how Altaria doesn't do it better by having earthquake and good defenses rather than crap defenses.

Dragonair doesn't have x4 weakness and it isn't weak to Stealth Rocks. But it really doesn't matter, Altaria does a better job than those pre-evo dragons.
 
Seviper has a Shed/Rest set with 73/60/60 Defenses. So.. I dunno take that as you will. Also if the only niche Dragonair can fill is Draco Meteor... just use Alteria as previously mentioned.
 
Dragonair honestly can't cut it. I've used it quite a bit before and it just cannot take hits well enough, and doesn't deal enough damage to be worth it. Its hard to switch in at any point in a match except on something like... a Chansey maybe.

Agility would be ok, its just Dragonair doesn't have enough power. I used a DD version, and even after a DD its damage wasn't very impressive. I'd just use Altaria, at least the flying type gives resistance to fighting and immunity to ground, and it has better defenses too.
 
Yeap, with Milotic, Slobro, and Registeel being ever so common he hardly has time to do any thing effective. Though I haven't tried mixed sweeper... I'll have to look into that.

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Toxic Spikes are also common which hampers with the Sweep. Mixed sweeper doesn't actually look that appealling after checking his stats.. though worth a test.

Someone try out a Double Dance set for me and tell me how it does. Which would look like...

Dragon Dance
Swords Dance
Waterfall
Retun
 
Just some more of my random thoughts on the current state of the metagame. One thing that I've notice over the last two days, (I played pretty much solidly on the ladder yesterday =/) is that Roserade useage has changed significantly. Now, this may just be statistical variation in the matches I've played, even the time of day I played, but I digress. From what I remember of playing earlier in the test, Roserade weren't that common. They were generally Sleep Powder + Toxic Spikes varients, most commonly found on stall teams. Yesterday I might have faced two of those vareints, at most, I can't remember exactly. I did, however, meet many lead Roserade, fast sleep as alluded to by Bologo and his Butterfree. They also tended to be carrying Leaf Storm and Sludge Bomb, and I never saw the last move, although I will assume that it is generally Hidden Power Fire, to hit Steels hard.

I actually found these Roserade quite hard to deal with, I don't tend to run status absorbers, I find them a hinderance sometimes, and I don't like them being on a team just to do that job. Milotic is essentially my "Status Absorber" so she takes the Sleep Powder (a safe bet with Crobat as a lead). Although this renders my Milotic pretty useless for the rest of the battle, so I'm going to have to find a way around that, but I'm just going to slap a Lum Berry on my Crobat. Although staying in and waiting is "OK" both players run the risk of ending up on the wrong side of the coin flip, a four turn sleep will not be good for you. I though that this was an interesting metagame trend that I have noticed, and I was wondering if others had noticed a similar thing, and have any clues as to what might have caused it. Maybe it was simply popularised by someone. Either way, Roserade is a good versatile Pokemon, that has support and offensive capabilities, and is definately something to watch out for, from what I have seen.
 
Well, it's important to remember that the in-game status of a Pokemon means nothing. Chansey's stats, movepool, ability, etc. determines how well it does in battle, not whether it's fully-evolved or not. It's like those that are saying that Shaymin, etc. shouldn't be in UU because it isn't a legendary. If Blissey didn't exist, Chansey probably would be OU anyway.

And personally, I wouldn't be shocked if I hadn't played since Advance. Even in Advance and GSC, if you go and check, you'll see Chansey was BL. Chansey is probably the 2nd best special wall in the game. I remember it used to be used in RBY anything goes because it was the best Amnesia Mewtwo wall.

Heh, the point was that Raikou was beastly (and OU) in Advance, while NFEs in UU were a very touchy subject. A lot has changed.
 
What surprises me most about the new UU is the huge bredth of strategies that can work in it without being overly broken. Just today I saw:

-umbreon trap-passing
-Wynaut tickle trapping
-Sub-seed-sun exeggcutor
-gligar agili-pass
-Nature-cure-rest (roserade and shaymin)
-aeromatherapy users
-belly drummers
-Toxic Spikes (even with roserade and drapion absorbing them allover!)
-Mix-Sweeping (blaziken)
-reflect raikou
-Hail and Welrein
-hipopatas users!
-Pilloswine sweeping

Plus all the typical Choice-Item-Sweeping and Fat-Ass-stalling and even all the old stall tactics from old UU including utility venusaur, Lead/Utility Claydol, Spiking Froslass. It's really shocking how much stuff works, and yet none of it is so over-powering as to completely override the rest.

I think I'm in love with new UU. Even the battles I lose are generally intense and worthy ones.
 
What surprises me most about the new UU is the huge bredth of strategies that can work in it without being overly broken. Just today I saw:

-umbreon trap-passing
-Wynaut tickle trapping
-Sub-seed-sun exeggcutor
-gligar agili-pass
-Nature-cure-rest (roserade and shaymin)
-aeromatherapy users
-belly drummers
-Toxic Spikes (even with roserade and drapion absorbing them allover!)
-Mix-Sweeping (blaziken)
-reflect raikou
-Hail and Welrein
-hipopatas users!
-Pilloswine sweeping

Plus all the typical Choice-Item-Sweeping and Fat-Ass-stalling and even all the old stall tactics from old UU including utility venusaur, Lead/Utility Claydol, Spiking Froslass. It's really shocking how much stuff works, and yet none of it is so over-powering as to completely override the rest.

I think I'm in love with new UU. Even the battles I lose are generally intense and worthy ones.

I completely agree with you. The new UU is wonderful!

The sheer amount of strategies, teams, moves and stuff you can use is just insane. Battling has never been this good. I've also yet to meet a team that I can't defeat without resorting to something very specific.
 
What surprises me most about the new UU is the huge bredth of strategies that can work in it without being overly broken. Just today I saw:

-Wynaut tickle trapping

What? I thought it was banned already?

-reflect raikou

I think that was me, wasn't it?

I think I'm in love with new UU. Even the battles I lose are generally intense and worthy ones.

Seconded 100%. It has only been two weeks but so far this UU overhaul is showing every sign of being a huge success. Like you said, the wealth of viable strategies and versatility in this metagame is incredible, and shows just how big a mistake our old UU mindset was.

I just hope that people don't take next month's stats too literally, particularly if they show a degree of apparent centralization. After all, everyone was keen to try out the 'hip' new ex-BL Pokemon at the start, especially the ones that appeared very powerful on paper, and this will undoubtedly skew the stats to a certain degree.
 
Has anyone screwed around with Feraligatr?

I've "screwed" around with Feraligatr quite a bit in the new UU, and it is really worthwhile with this set, made by Twash, that is the "UU Empoleon".

Feraligatr @ Liechi Berry
Ability: Torrent
EVs: 4 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Spe
Nature: Jolly
- Dragon Dance
- Substitute
- Flail
- Waterfall

Bring Feraligatr in on something that can't hurt it, and set up a Substitute, then go on Dragon Dancing. Most of the time, you can get at least 2, then activate the Liechi Berry and Torrent and destroy nearly everything with STAB Waterfall. Flail takes out Shaymin and has great coverage with Waterfall.
 
Dragonair honestly can't cut it. I've used it quite a bit before and it just cannot take hits well enough, and doesn't deal enough damage to be worth it. Its hard to switch in at any point in a match except on something like... a Chansey maybe.

Agility would be ok, its just Dragonair doesn't have enough power. I used a DD version, and even after a DD its damage wasn't very impressive. I'd just use Altaria, at least the flying type gives resistance to fighting and immunity to ground, and it has better defenses too.

Still, I would use T-Wave on Dragonair, which Altaria can't learn (neither Agility anyway) when I see moves list on serebii. So in other words Altaria can't run 252 Atk/252 SpA set without being extremely slow, which Dragonair can abuse (screen support still needed in my opinion). So that Dragonair really has that small niche.
 
I dont think CB Azumarrill is getting enough love, 654 Attack and 2 usable STAB Attacks (Prioirty Aqua Jet and Strong Waterfall) is amazing. It has done its job perfectly as a revenge killer so far.
 
I dont think CB Azumarrill is getting enough love, 654 Attack and 2 usable STAB Attacks (Prioirty Aqua Jet and Strong Waterfall) is amazing. It has done its job perfectly as a revenge killer so far.

There are plenty handful of revenge killers more than Azumarill.
The vast amount of fake-out users and first priority attacks is the new source of revenge killing.
 
I somewhat think the new UU is just old BL games with NFEs added... That's pretty much it. I don't see how so many people likes today's UU but never played BL before I'm guessing?

Since BL before allowed people to use UUs as well.
 
I somewhat think the new UU is just old BL games with NFEs added... That's pretty much it. I don't see how so many people likes today's UU but never played BL before I'm guessing?

Since BL before allowed people to use UUs as well.

A "BL metagame" never existed. You could never play BL in competitive setting since there wasn't a ladder for it. Nor is BL intended to be a metagame, it's just a ban list. I disagree with that I only see old BLs since I'm still seeing quite a few Hitmontop's, Nidoqueen's etc. Obviously some weaker Pokemon were going to stop being in use, but that's what the eventual NU under this umbrella is for.
 
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If thats the case then so be it. BL's and NFE's should of been UU from the start. Now they are getting the attention they deserve. I'm somewhat looking forword to NU to. It will defenitely be interesting.
 
I dont think CB Azumarrill is getting enough love, 654 Attack and 2 usable STAB Attacks (Prioirty Aqua Jet and Strong Waterfall) is amazing. It has done its job perfectly as a revenge killer so far.

I agree. Azumarill hits really hard and is pretty damn bulky. There are some things in BL that can stop it (Milotic, Slowbro, Shaymin sorta), but if they were to be removed it would dominate.
 
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