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if a pokemon has pokerus and a macho brace, it gets 4x extra EVs right?
something like this:
Pokemon A has pokerus and macho brace
Pokemon B gives out 1 point in attack.
Pokemon A beats pokemon B, and gains 4 EVs in attack.
is this correct?
 
if a pokemon has pokerus and a macho brace, it gets 4x extra EVs right?
something like this:
Pokemon A has pokerus and macho brace
Pokemon B gives out 1 point in attack.
Pokemon A beats pokemon B, and gains 4 EVs in attack.
is this correct?

Yes it is.
 
Note that Pokeruys was included.

Question: Is there any trainer in-game that has a Pokemon that uses Drain Punch? I really don't want to have to use my only TM, and I don't have access to WiFi so I can't trade for one...
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The fact that Hitmonchan is 100% male throws a monkey wrench in any TM/egg move passing, so no.
Ach, forgot the Hitmon family is all 100% male... Meh, looks like I'll have to work backwards then, which means almost no chance of a Shiny Bellossom then...

Oh well, thanks everyone.
 
Does Scizor mke a good lead in you opinion?

Well, it would have to be a suicide lead meaning it would serve the purpose for killing and then dying. There are plenty of great sets, but since you want it to be a lead you should try Swords Dance. I won't give you the EVs since that's for you to decide, but I would go low speed high attack and defense.

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Adamant @ Occa Berry
Technician
-Swords Dance
-Bullet Punch
-Brick Break
-X-Scissor

This hits just about every lead imaginable. The reason I say low on Speed is because you already have Bullet Punch. Occa Berry for obvious reasons (Azelf suicide lead sometimes has Flamethrower). When you use this you should keep an eye on your health because you have to know when to give up. I would say that when you are low on health and know you are going down, Bullet Punch the pokemon to death. SWITCH OUT IF IT IS A LEAD BRONZONG/AEORDACTYL!!!!! That is key. Both carry Earthquake and it is a deadly thing to have around even with HP/Def EVs. Honestly, this isn't the best lead out there, but you can try.
 
Well, it would have to be a suicide lead meaning it would serve the purpose for killing and then dying. There are plenty of great sets, but since you want it to be a lead you should try Swords Dance. I won't give you the EVs since that's for you to decide, but I would go low speed high attack and defense.

Spr_4p_212_f.png

Adamant @ Occa Berry
Technician
-Swords Dance
-Bullet Punch
-Brick Break
-X-Scissor

This hits just about every lead imaginable. The reason I say low on Speed is because you already have Bullet Punch. Occa Berry for obvious reasons (Azelf suicide lead sometimes has Flamethrower). When you use this you should keep an eye on your health because you have to know when to give up. I would say that when you are low on health and know you are going down, Bullet Punch the pokemon to death. SWITCH OUT IF IT IS A LEAD BRONZONG/AEORDACTYL!!!!! That is key. Both carry Earthquake and it is a deadly thing to have around even with HP/Def EVs. Honestly, this isn't the best lead out there, but you can try.

Why should Scizor worry about Earthquake? Bug resists Ground, so it's only neutral damage...
 
Plus, you can bullet punch aerodactyl to hell and back.

I would seriously consider u-turn on any lead with access to it, especially with 130 base attack and STAB. Also, pursuit maybe (though it's probably a lesser option, it could catch an azelf that tries to switch, fearing bullet punch and knowing that scizor resists explosion). The set posted is pretty nice because it can act not only as a lead, but as a late game cleaner/ revenge killer too. So basically, do you care only about leading or also about other roles scizor could play?
 
Yeah uh Forshy, Aerodactyl Stone Edge does more to scizor "lol". You can pretty much handliy beat both Bronzong and Aerodactyl with that, though you would want Roost for Zong.
 
Plus, you can bullet punch aerodactyl to hell and back.

I would seriously consider u-turn on any lead with access to it, especially with 130 base attack and STAB. Also, pursuit maybe (though it's probably a lesser option, it could catch an azelf that tries to switch, fearing bullet punch and knowing that scizor resists explosion). The set posted is pretty nice because it can act not only as a lead, but as a late game cleaner/ revenge killer too. So basically, do you care only about leading or also about other roles scizor could play?

Thanks for your input guys. Yeah, I am specifically looking at Scizor to lead, for the express purpose of luring out a few of Scizor's counters (like Heatran and physical walls) in prep for a sweep later.

I've actually been using CB Scizor (BP, Uturn, Super, Pursuit) to some success. It's just everyone says "lol, scizor sucks as a lead". It's quite nice to be underestimated...

I've strayed from the SD sets because it takes away from the fact that Taunt doesn't effect CB scizor, so it lets me beat out a few taunters who think I'm trying to set up.

Would I have to be Scarfed myself to outspeed scarftran?
 
Outspeeding ScarfTran? Remember, Scizor has base 65 Speed; Heatran has base 77. ScarfTran can hit 379 without a +Speed nature. The best Scizor can ever do with a Scarf is 376.

In other words, it's not gonna happen.
 
Why? Assuming it's the same Pokemon for both instances, a high or low catch rate would result in the same answer regardless, wouldn't it? I'm not talking realistically, I mean mathematically which would be better.
First, you never said the same Pokemon. Second, what do you mean by "realistically" versus "mathematically"?
 
Okay, I'm going off the Catch Chance formula found in the document in this thread; it matches Bulbapedia's formula, but there's still a chance that it may not be correct.

In any case, the formula is as follows:

q = (3 * "max HP" - 2 * "current HP") * "Status Mod" * "Poke Ball Mod" * "Catch Rate" / (3 * "max HP")

If q is at least 255, the Pokemon is caught for sure. If not, the game runs through another formula, but that doesn't matter for this question. All that matters here is that we're looking for the highest q value.

For your question, I'll compare a sleeping Pokemon at full health with a non-statused Pokemon at 25% (I believe that's when it goes into the red; if not, it'll still simplify things.) To further simplify things, I'll assume that we're trying to catch a Spiritomb with a regular Poke Ball (Poke Ball Mod = 1, Catch Rate = 100).

First, the full-health sleeping Pokemon. In this case, the Status Mod = 2 and current HP = max HP. Put those in the formula like so:

q = (3 * max HP - 2 * max HP) * 2 * 1 * 100 / (3 * max HP)
q = (1 * max HP) * 200 / (3 * max HP)
q = max HP * 200 / (3 * max HP)
q = 200 / 3
q = ~66.7

Did you follow that? Now for the 25% health Pokemon. In this case, the Status Mod = 1 and current HP = .25 * max HP. Put those in the formula like so:

q = (3 * max HP - 2 * (.25 * max HP)) * 1 * 1 * 100 / (3 * max HP)
q = (3 * max HP - .5 * max HP) * 100 / (3 * max HP)
q = 2.5 * max HP * 100 / (3 * max HP)
q = 250 * max HP / (3 * max HP)
q = 250 / 3
q = ~83.3

66.7 < 83.3

Therefore, the low-health Pokemon would be easier to catch.


EDIT: Looking at the numbers again, it occurs to me that the chance of catching a full-health sleeping Pokemon equals that of a non-statused Pokemon at 50% health. I just found that a little interesting.
 
First, you never said the same Pokemon. Second, what do you mean by "realistically" versus "mathematically"?

By "realistically" vs "mathematically", I meant that the difference might not be large enough to make too much of a difference, so "realistically" it would be better to put the Pokemon to sleep at full health rather than bring its HP down low and let it stay awake, since there's the possibility that it might use a self-damaging move and kill itself. "Mathematically" means exactly that: only using what the formula shows us.

@CardsOfTheHeart: Ah, ok, that makes sense. Thanks a bunch. Looks like False Swipe is almost always better than Spore, then...
 
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