Guys leave it alone... althought J7r, all HeYsUp is trying to say is that usage statistics don't always determine what is best on the set. I'll give you an example: When I was doing the Dragonite and Gliscor analysis I came accross this problem. Over 60% of Gliscor were running NO speed EVs, even though we all know that is dumb as shit. Does that mean the main Gliscor set needs to have no speed EVs? No, it just means that the community is largely misinformed perhaps because the analysis was not up to date. In Dragonite's case, over 50% of Dragonite when I did that analysis were the Jolly-natured Outrage, Earthquake, Fire Punch, Dragon Dance Dragonite that was completely outclassed by Salamence, thus making it not competitive. Yet, it was still used by an overwhelming majority of the community largely because the analysis was outdated. In just a two or so months, both problems corrected themselves.
1) gliscor has never *needed* speed evs since lucario only ran ice punch for a very short time.
2) DDDragonite may be outclassed by Salamence, but that doesn't mean that the set is not competitive. As I've explained countless times on this forum, if DDNite can perform at an OU level, it deserves to be mentioned. I also support some of Blaziken and Infernape's sets overlapping, etc. I'm not being inconsistent or illogical here.
3) rest of my response is down there v
The same argument can be said about Electivire and the physical set; the Special based mixed one is more effective yet used less. From what I have seen, HP Rock would be more beneficial, as the Fire types such as Arcanine are common switch ins. Hypnosis's drop in accuracy seems to be too hit and miss, in my opinion, to be the only viable option other than Substitute.
Special vs Physical Electivire really isn't relevant since both of them are still seriously outclassed. Its not like Mixed electivire is so much better than physical Evire that it makes a difference in terms of movesets. Even then, moves like Flamethrower and Tbolt are STILL used on about 1/4 of Evires. HP Rock is barely used on 1/10 of Ninetales, so obviously SOMETHING is happening that makes Hypnosis a much more appealing option to a huge majority of players. To me, a free nasty plot is much more worth it than hitting Mantine (who isnt used) and Moltres (who loses to SR, Hypnosis or NP) when you could just sleep them, and when you have other moves that can do it already. Hypnosis helps Ninetales support the team as well as allowing it to get that free boost. Hypnosis has been 60% for three generations yet it was always a very common move...why do people suddenly think it sucks? 10% is not that much of a difference =\
I agree that Sub doesnt belong there, I already said that I was just using it to illustrate why theorymonning sets out doesnt work. Hypnosis, as heysup has been helping me illustrate, is really the only reason to use Ninetales over Houndoom. Why would you not take advantage of that? If HP Rock was as revolutionary as you guys are saying, wouldnt more than 11% of people use it? Wouldn't Ninetales be used more too if that were the case?
I don't really think my position here is that out of the ordinary, the moves that get used more should be given precedence over moves that are not used. You guys can sit here and theorymon about type coverage all you want, but the fact still remains that at this point in time, 9 out of 10 Ninetales users do not see HP Rock as a competitive option for that last moveslot. HP Rock is not common, and it should not be portrayed as such. Nobody has explained why we shouldn't represent reality in the analysis.
I personally use analyses more from a defensive standpoint. If a ninetales comes out, I'm going to want to know what people are actually likely to use on it so I know how to prepare myself. Preparing for HP rock is useful, but you are more likely to be hit with Hypnosis. It would be a complete disservice to not mention what moves are actually used on the pokemon in question, whether or not they are the best on paper. THAT is my point...does anybody actually disagree with what I'm saying?
(just so i dont have to repeat myself, hypnosis/hp rock is what i would put as the last option and I dont care that it only has 60% accuracy. Ninetales isn't frail and it is faster than almost everything in UU, including all of its counters. Hypnosis is going to hit much more often than it misses.)
