HGSS Megaspeculation Thread

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Keep in mind except for Bug -> Normal, the Johto gyms have a type advantage over the next gym you face.

Random pulled out of my ass odds for Gym Leader TMs:

Falkner - Roost 60%, Pluck 25%, Aerial Ace 15% (because Bugsy has to be something of a challenge, right? Pluck and AA have the exact same power)

Bugsy - U-Turn 70%, X-Scissor 30% (not many options)

Whitney - Attract 90%, all other Normal moves 10%

Morty - Shadow Ball 60%, Shadow Claw 40% (These last two stay the same, but I give better odds to Shadow Claw showing up because Shadow Ball was a Game Corner TM in FR/LG and might stay that for these games).

Chuck - Focus Blast 45%. Focus Punch 35%, Brick Break 20%, Bulk Up 10% (Like picking a NFL game with a point spread of 3, I got no clue)

Jasmine - Iron Tail 70%, Flash Cannon 30% (The Gym Leader's TM should benefit their trademark Pokemon, and Steelix has no business with Flash Cannon).

Pryce - Avalanche 50%, Hail 50% (I understand the Avalanche love, but I can't help but think they'd want to make things more difficult for...)

Clair - Dragon Pulse 80%, Dragon Claw 20% (The spiritual successor to Dragonbreath)
 
Remixing music?

Well the first track that comes to my mind is Ice path/Slowpoke well/dark cave, that tune was so awesome!
 
This is awesome! I can't wait to see what kind of cool remakes they put in, hopefully a cooler battle frontier, or some other awesome stuff!
 
I am going mental with anticipation. What kind of timeframe can north america be expecting, given the translating times of previous gens? Something like, say, one year from now?
 
Ondore said:
Keep in mind except for Bug -> Normal, the Johto gyms have a type advantage over the next gym you face.

Random pulled out of my ass odds for Gym Leader TMs:

Falkner - Roost 60%, Pluck 25%, Aerial Ace 15% (because Bugsy has to be something of a challenge, right? Pluck and AA have the exact same power) I'd give the nod to Pluck actually, Roost would be in third, I mean it's not like Bugsy's not easy already with rocks around and all.

Bugsy - U-Turn 70%, X-Scissor 30% (not many options) Agreed.

Whitney - Attract 90%, all other Normal moves 10% Yeah, is there even a chance of something else?

Morty - Shadow Ball 60%, Shadow Claw 40% (These last two stay the same, but I give better odds to Shadow Claw showing up because Shadow Ball was a Game Corner TM in FR/LG and might stay that for these games). Shadow Ball a bigger favorite for me here.

Chuck - Focus Blast 45%. Focus Punch 35%, Brick Break 20%, Bulk Up 10% (Like picking a NFL game with a point spread of 3, I got no clue) Slightly favoring Brick Break myself, also Drain Punch is a possibility, but this has to be the toughest one to pick.

Jasmine - Iron Tail 70%, Flash Cannon 30% (The Gym Leader's TM should benefit their trademark Pokemon, and Steelix has no business with Flash Cannon). The obvious pick here is Iron Tail.. Gyro Ball for an unlikely substitute might happen.

Pryce - Avalanche 50%, Hail 50% (I understand the Avalanche love, but I can't help but think they'd want to make things more difficult for...) Yeah, I see where you're coming from, but I really am still leaning toward Avalanche, since Kingdra is still neutral to it.

Clair - Dragon Pulse 80%, Dragon Claw 20% (The spiritual successor to Dragonbreath) Yeah, Dragon Pulse again for Kingdra, since Dragon Claw isn't used there.
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What about Gyro Ball as a possibility for Jasmine's TM? Is there something special about Iron Tail that I'm forgetting? (EDIT: never mind, beaten^)

Anyway, something that's probably highly unlikely that I think would be really cool is if, just like in XD, they hinted at a new Pokemon from the upcoming generation, most probably a baby Pokemon. Imagine something like 'Whitney's Miltank recently gave birth to a baby calf called...', maybe not quite as lame as that, but you get my point.
 
Mormoopid said:
I am going mental with anticipation. What kind of timeframe can north america be expecting, given the translating times of previous gens? Something like, say, one year from now?
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Mars or April 2010 seems very likely. Most definitely not earlier, looking back at previous games.
 
Nicar said:
Mars or April 2010 seems very likely. Most definitely not earlier, looking back at previous games.
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Mars, lol. Anyway I would agree with the guess with a March or April American release, didn't most of the non-spinoff games come out in those times anyway?
 
Regarding the Gym Leader TMs, I'm gonna guess this:

Falkner - Aerial Ace or Roost (Pluck doesn't seem likely unless they put an emphasis on Berries in the beginning of the game).

Bugsy - X-Scissor (He has a Scyther, so...)

Whitney - Attract (They all use it in that Gym >.< )

Morty - Shadow Ball (Same as he gave out in G/S/C)

Chuck - Focus Punch (Bulk Up was given out by Brawly in RSE, and Focus Punch seems more Chuck-ish)

Jasmine - Iron Tail (Same as she gave out in G/S/C I think)

Pryce - Hail, Avalanche (Avalanche was given out in DPPt, but Hail sucks, so...)

Claire - Dragon Pulse (Dragon Claw kinda needs, well, claws. Last time I check Kingdra and Dragonair don't have them, so...)

So yeah, seems like a decent list to me.

Regarding move tutors, I'm gonna guess these moves:

Dynamicpunch
Headbutt
Curse
Zap Cannon
Rollout
Dragonbreath
Flare Blitz (this one is wishful thinking)
Elemental Hyper Beams

Also, regarding ES Dragonite, it'll give it a huge edge over Mence, especially on DD and CB sets, preventing you from being revenge killed by Weavile and the like, as well as revenge killing itself. Also, it'll make Dragonite the second priority move using psuedo legendary alongside Bullet Punch Metagross, although ES is much better since it's more powerful than a STAB Bullet Punch.
 
Oh yeah, as for the Heart Gold/Soul Silver Ho-oh/Lugia do you think they'll let you Remember the move that the 'other' Pokemon forgot? Say you got Heart Gold and got Lugia...if there is a Move Relearner(probably will be) then all the 'I'm getting Soul Silver for Aeroblast' can go.

Do you think the Kanto gym leaders(if there is even Kanto) will give out TM's as well? If so which ones?
 
hopefully getting celebi will be simpler for this game. Also, I cant wait for the remake of the elite 4 in gsc remake.
 
I'd assume they'd pick the Gym Leader TMs the same way they did for FRLG (that is, the same as in GSC if it's still a TM; if it's not, the same as the DPP gym leader of the same type; if there isn't one, something else). So with that in mind, Whitney will give Attract, Morty will give Shadow Ball, Chuck will give Drain Punch, Jasmine will give Iron Tail, and Pryce will give Avalanche. Sheek's guesses on the other three make sense.

The Kanto GLs didn't give out TMs in GSC, so they probably won't this time either. If they do, I'd imagine they'll be the same as they were in FRLG since all the Gen 3 TMs are still TMs.
 
Did they? I haven't actually played GSC, but when I was checking what the Kanto gym leaders gave out in RBY compared to FRLG, I noticed that most of them said they didn't give out anything in GSC and I guess I missed that Erica did. In any case, those are both still TMs so it's possible that they'll just keep it with those two giving out those TMs, but they might expand it to have them all giving out TMs. (Since there are almost twice as many TMs now compared to GSC, so they'll have to add a bunch of TMs in places there weren't any.)
 
Just random speculation, but assuming DPPt and HGSS happen during the same time frame, and RSE FRLG happen during the same time frame but in the past... What if in this remake instead of letting us go back to Kanto (3rd time? Bleh) what if they let us go to Hoenn instead! Seeing how it changed since Emerald, and we could possibly get access to a Battle Frontier.

Just some more food for thought, sure be muchmuchmuch more interesting than Kanto again!
 
^Nah; I believe the official site does indeed describe them as being remakes, which means that Game Freak will likely be true to the original Gold and Silver by keeping Kanto in.

Although, I too would much prefer to go to Hoenn after beating Johto, than going to Kanto again for the 5,000th time, but it most likely won't happen.
 
Wishy said:
Just random speculation, but assuming DPPt and HGSS happen during the same time frame, and RSE FRLG happen during the same time frame but in the past... What if in this remake instead of letting us go back to Kanto (3rd time? Bleh) what if they let us go to Hoenn instead! Seeing how it changed since Emerald, and we could possibly get access to a Battle Frontier.

Just some more food for thought, sure be muchmuchmuch more interesting than Kanto again!
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It would be interesting to see the "future" of that region, it would be new and fresh, but Hoenn is my least favorite region though...so i'm not sure, the return of the classic battle frontier would be nice.

I believe it's going to be Kanto, i just hope if that's the case this time they make it interesting (things to do, real size etc), and probably the sevii islands?
 
^Eh, don't really think they'll include the Sevii Islands, as those were a FR/LG addition, and weren't in GSC. However, it's possible that they'll give HG/SS their own island archipelago, using the same idea as the Sevii Islands, if they do indeed have room for it and don't instead use that space for including things that were left out of the original GSC, like the Safari Zone.
 
I'm hoping, though doubtful, that they don't stop evolution (if possible) as they did in FR/LG. What does it matter if it is not in the current dex, it should still be attainable. (EDIT:) The Johto Dex opens up the ones that were blocked in FRLG, like Crobat and Blissey, but the 4th Gen Evolutions to 2nd Gen pokes would probably end up being blocked off. Weavile, Yanmega, Mamoswine, Gliscor, Togekiss, etc.

Even if that is the case, I suppose one could trade to DPP, evolve, then trade back with no problems.. but that is a bit of a hassle.
 
Nyktos said:
I'd assume they'd pick the Gym Leader TMs the same way they did for FRLG (that is, the same as in GSC if it's still a TM; if it's not, the same as the DPP gym leader of the same type; if there isn't one, something else). So with that in mind, Whitney will give Attract, Morty will give Shadow Ball, Chuck will give Drain Punch, Jasmine will give Iron Tail, and Pryce will give Avalanche. Sheek's guesses on the other three make sense.

The Kanto GLs didn't give out TMs in GSC, so they probably won't this time either. If they do, I'd imagine they'll be the same as they were in FRLG since all the Gen 3 TMs are still TMs.
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The problem with Chuck giving out Drain Punch is, of course, the only Fighting-type pokemon in the original 251 that can even learn it is Hitmonchan. Focus Punch makes way more sense. And it helps that it's TM 01, too :P

As for Falkner or Bugsy... Roost, Pluck & Aerial Ace all seem viable. U-Turn, X-Scissor & Silver Wind as well. The advantage U-Turn & Silver Wind have over X-Scissor in Bugsy's case, though, is that if he had a team of Butterfree, Beedrill & Scyther, they all could learn one or the other. Besides, X-Scissor on Scyther that early in the game would be a bit too powerful; anything without a resist would be easily dispatched.
 
EeveeSkitty said:
Oh yeah, as for the Heart Gold/Soul Silver Ho-oh/Lugia do you think they'll let you Remember the move that the 'other' Pokemon forgot? Say you got Heart Gold and got Lugia...if there is a Move Relearner(probably will be) then all the 'I'm getting Soul Silver for Aeroblast' can go.

Do you think the Kanto gym leaders(if there is even Kanto) will give out TM's as well? If so which ones?
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Aeroblast and Sacred Fire are now learned at level 77, IIRC. So it won't be a problem at all. But I think they'll give other moves to them... I'm rooting for Brave Bird Gold Ho-oh!

NESgamer said:
It would be interesting to see the "future" of that region, it would be new and fresh, but Hoenn is my least favorite region though...so i'm not sure, the return of the classic battle frontier would be nice.

I believe it's going to be Kanto, i just hope if that's the case this time they make it interesting (things to do, real size etc), and probably the sevii islands?
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I think they'll have a region like Sevii but in Johto, while maybe doing something cool like a Battle Frontier (or just Tower) somewhere in Kanto (maybe Cinnabar? They need to increase their income to rebuild everything!).



And about what Death Phenomeno said about tradebacks: It really could be possible. The Time Capsule could work as the opposite of Pal Park; instead of deleting pokémon from the GBA games and adding them to the DS games, it would do the opposite, which would make us have shit like Superpower Scizor and Trick Metagross running wild in Advance.



By the way,

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I know it's fake but hell, Johto really is empty :/
 
Heh, everyone forgets that Silver Wind is a TM now.

As for that map mock-up, Arael... it's horribly out of proportion in relation to the length of the routes, historically. However, considering how TINY Johto really is in comparison to every other region (even Kanto's bigger), I imagine we're going to be looking at some serious "retcon" extrapolation on the map.

In other words, I expect the routes to be lengthened and expanded upon slightly, in order to up their complexity a bit. GSC didn't have many opportunities to use HMs while on land routes at all, so perhaps areas for use with Rock Climb or Rock Smash will be added here or there, or small bodies of water that conceal side areas. That sort of thing.

My reasoning? If you compare the maps for Kanto regions between RBY & GSC, everything was made smaller or areas were removed. Assuming they restore the Kanto map to at least it's true size, Johto would also have to be expanded or it would easily be 2/3 the size of Kanto.

And yes, I expect there to at least be some sort of Battle Tower facility, considering there was a Battle Tower just outside Olivine City in Crystal.





edit: Something I've decided I want to see is the inclusion of certain Johto Pokemon before you journey to Kanto; specifically Houndour/Houndoom, Murkrow & Slugma/Magcargo. Other missing Pokemon include Pichu, Cleffa, Larvitar/Pupitar/Tyranitar, Chansey/Blissey & Elekid... however, excluding Tyranitar, they're all related to Kanto Pokemon and are thus less important to me. It REALLY bothers me that the only Dark-type available is Umbreon, and there are PLENTY of other rare Pokemon to take the place of Slugma, Houndour & Murkrow in Kanto.
 
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