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Most Generation PRNG Help / Information

Xenavire said:
Um, if you have 8 pages of journal entries, you would have 8 "new" flips your first time through, then 7 each time after. Thats because you aren't opening it onto a new page, you are starting from a previously used page. Try your math with this info included and see how you go.

I would assume thats where you went wrong.
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But didn't it say that he had 8 pages with a caught/defeated Poke, then 1 that didn't? If so, then he would have 8 pages each time, since he starts on one that doesn't count.

Y-Y-Y-Y-Y-Y-Y-Y-N-Y-Y-Y-Y-Y-Y-Y-Y-N

Y= yes, advances RNG
N= no, does not advance
 
Xenavire said:
Um, if you have 8 pages of journal entries, you would have 8 "new" flips your first time through, then 7 each time after. Thats because you aren't opening it onto a new page, you are starting from a previously used page. Try your math with this info included and see how you go.

I would assume thats where you went wrong.
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That is wrong, because a journal has 10 pages and as I said at the beginning of the post, there is one page at each end that does not advance the RNG at all (no caught/defeated pokemon). The 8 caught pages were just positioned in the middle. So that was not an issue.

I believe I probably just did 2 cycles too many. 32 frames = 16 journal flips = 2 cycles, so I'll just deal with having to do it again. With 8 flips at a time it didn't take me unbearably long. Just kind of annoying.
 
Hm, sorry, I misread. Let me attack this from another point of view.
I will post when I figure this out.

EDIT: You are right, its mathmatically sound. You must have done those extra 2 cycles, unless theres some ther way of advancing the frame that no-one knows about.
 
@Flurries, I would estimate it took less than 20 mins, 30 if being very careful. Considering doing it the long way would have take about.... 8 times as long? ;p

Well, I am testing a theory about the legendary bird trio's starting frames to verify it, I will post my results here when completed.
 
Xenavire said:
@Flurries, I would estimate it took less than 20 mins, 30 if being very careful. Considering doing it the long way would have take about.... 8 times as long? ;p

Well, I am testing a theory about the legendary bird trio's starting frames to verify it, I will post my results here when completed.
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Long enough for me to get bored staring at the screen. :P

Also, please do post those results. I want to get to the birds ASAP.
 
Xenavire said:
@Flurries, I would estimate it took less than 20 mins, 30 if being very careful. Considering doing it the long way would have take about.... 8 times as long? ;p

Well, I am testing a theory about the legendary bird trio's starting frames to verify it, I will post my results here when completed.
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Care to post your theory now?
 
Well its something from about 7 pages back or so, about the birds AFTER you have caught one and got them ready again. The theory is that if you catch, say, Moltres, that Zapdos will move from frame 6 to frame 1, and Articuno from frame 11 to frame 6. I am currently testing this, but I had t star from catching Moltres, which I have JUST finished, meaning I now need to beat the E4 and get ready to test it on Zapdos.

I am verifying something that Red Phoenix said (I believe it was him) and someone disputed somehow. Once I finish, the results can either be ignored (if it was false) or added to the OP.
 
That's impossible, the IVs for the THREE birds are generated on the moment you talk to Oak. It cannot change, regardless of the order you catch them.
 
Xenavire said:
Well its something from about 7 pages back or so, about the birds AFTER you have caught one and got them ready again. The theory is that if you catch, say, Moltres, that Zapdos will move from frame 6 to frame 1, and Articuno from frame 11 to frame 6. I am currently testing this, but I had t star from catching Moltres, which I have JUST finished, meaning I now need to beat the E4 and get ready to test it on Zapdos.

I am verifying something that Red Phoenix said (I believe it was him) and someone disputed somehow. Once I finish, the results can either be ignored (if it was false) or added to the OP.
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Ok thank you. That was what I suggested testing. So tell your results if you get to battle them again and their frames.
 
Pehu, it's been found that if you defeat the remaining two and defeat the Elite Four again, you can talk to Oak again to release the birds AGAIN. Davy's done this I believe.
 
Oh, THAT I didn't knew. It should have room for testing then. If I knew this sooner, I wouldn't have catched those two horrible spreads for my other birds.

Anyway, my bad, and yeah, if that's possible, then probably that shoud be what happens with the frames for the other two birds.
 
I have also, so this is just a matter of verifying the initial frames.
Shouldn't be a problem, and I should have my results in a few hours (my delays love to play hide and seek with me).
 
I have some basic but very important findings regarding the legendary birds in Platinum:

1. The method of killing legendary birds, fighting the Elite Four, and then talking to Oak does indeed re-release the birds into the wild. You can even catch one and still be able to release the others.

2. The birds' IV's/Natures are randomly called again on respawn. That is, you will not get the same bird as you got the first time you spoke to Oak.

Now, we need people to determine was frame belongs to what bird on respawn. My gut feeling tells me that it just becomes the next bird up. By this, I mean if you capture Moltres but kill Zapdos, Zapdos becomes frame 1 and Articuno becomes frame 6. However, THIS IS JUST SPECULATION to those who may mistake this as fact.
 
Everyone, I HAVE confirmed that Zapdos will become frame 1 if you catch Moltres and kill Zapdos, then respawn it.
The same obviously will work for Articuno. This IS confirmed. I made no mistakes. One more time. Its confirmed.

Slot1/Frame1:Moltres
Slot2/Frame6:Zapdos
Slot3/Frame11:Articuno

If you catch one and respawn the rest, they will move to fill the empty slot above them. Seems pretty simple, and is confirmed to work.
 
I have a question regarding wild Pokemon captures. If let's say I want to RNG abuse a random wild Pokemon, do I generate a spread, then keep hitting that spread until I encounter the Pokemon I want, or is there a way to ensure that if you hit the correct target time, frame and delay, you will encounter a particular Pokemon?
 
Transmogrify said:
I have a question regarding wild Pokemon captures. If let's say I want to RNG abuse a random wild Pokemon, do I generate a spread, then keep hitting that spread until I encounter the Pokemon I want, or is there a way to ensure that if you hit the correct target time, frame and delay, you will encounter a particular Pokemon?
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The extra frame you start on when you sweet scent a wild pokemon, is the frame that decides what pokemon appears. If you scroll down to post number 4 by Mingot on the first page of this thread, that contains details of how to determine what pokemon will appear on what frames.

As long as you can do the math.
 
Xenavire said:
Everyone, I HAVE confirmed that Zapdos will become frame 1 if you catch Moltres and kill Zapdos, then respawn it.
The same obviously will work for Articuno. This IS confirmed. I made no mistakes. One more time. Its confirmed.

Slot1/Frame1:Moltres
Slot2/Frame6:Zapdos
Slot3/Frame11:Articuno

If you catch one and respawn the rest, they will move to fill the empty slot above them. Seems pretty simple, and is confirmed to work.
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Yes, that's right. I've tested it too and I got the same results.
I think these info should be added to the OP if mingot agrees.
 
Xenavire said:
Everyone, I HAVE confirmed that Zapdos will become frame 1 if you catch Moltres and kill Zapdos, then respawn it.
The same obviously will work for Articuno. This IS confirmed. I made no mistakes. One more time. Its confirmed.

Slot1/Frame1:Moltres
Slot2/Frame6:Zapdos
Slot3/Frame11:Articuno

If you catch one and respawn the rest, they will move to fill the empty slot above them. Seems pretty simple, and is confirmed to work.
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I can also confirm this. It's possible to get an Articuno under frame 11.
 
I'm having a lot of trouble with NPCs at the moment. When I was calibrating the initial frame, none of the visible ones moved at all before I collected the egg, and I was able to get a constant starting frame of 7 (done this 5 times and 4/5 were frame 7, 1/5 was frame 5). Now, when I do my journal taps and enter the game, all the bloody NPCs decide to start moving!

Should I resave, and try again with a new frame calibration, or just keep trying with this one? I've been doing this bloody Koffing all week and it's starting to get on my tits.
 
This is a retarded question, but...
How do you find out your shiny spreads for Method 1 and Method J pokemon. And does D/P/Pt use Method 2 and/or Method 3? Thanks.
 
If I'm trying to capture a pokemon and hit the frame I want (no particular Pokemon) and don't hit the correct Pokemon I want, will the pokemon I do hit have the IVs and nature of the Pokemon that I was trying to hit?
 
Dan Dan said:
I'm having a lot of trouble with NPCs at the moment. When I was calibrating the initial frame, none of the visible ones moved at all before I collected the egg, and I was able to get a constant starting frame of 7 (done this 5 times and 4/5 were frame 7, 1/5 was frame 5). Now, when I do my journal taps and enter the game, all the bloody NPCs decide to start moving!

Should I resave, and try again with a new frame calibration, or just keep trying with this one? I've been doing this bloody Koffing all week and it's starting to get on my tits.
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Uh, well what is your frame now? There are enough off screen NPCs that you really should not bother with whether you see them moving or not.

Crooked said:
This is a retarded question, but...
How do you find out your shiny spreads for Method 1 and Method J pokemon. And does D/P/Pt use Method 2 and/or Method 3? Thanks.
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Time Finder, capture tab.

And no, it does not use methods 2, 3, or 4.

kratos215 said:
If I'm trying to capture a pokemon and hit the frame I want (no particular Pokemon) and don't hit the correct Pokemon I want, will the pokemon I do hit have the IVs and nature of the Pokemon that I was trying to hit?
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Yes, the IVs will be as expected.

Also keep in mind that if you catch something on the same frame it will always be that monster. The nice thing, though, is that a spread usually appears on more than one frame, and each frame has a different monster associated with it. And we can predict what the monster will be. See my post on the first page (not the first post).
 
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