Most Generation PRNG Help / Information

Wild Eep said:
I looked at your seed and realized the frame numbers you're citing are Method 1 frames. Regigigas and other stationary legendaries use Method J. (If you search Method J for your seed, you'll find you'll need a Jolly synchronizer at the front of your party and aim for Method J frames 469 or 471. [This means you might want to remove your wanderer...])
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.... T_T

Dang, and I've got like an adamant one with me in my second slot...

Well, I'll just finish out the journal flips and steps and see if it magically works and when it doesn't I'll come back with a Jolly.

I do appreciate your help.

Noob question alert!

Why does it matter method J or 1? The spread I got twice showed up when i searched for it under method 1.

Oh, and what does removing the wanderer do besides take away that one RNG advancement?

[edit] yeah got a gentle one. Start over. at least I know I've got the general process down! :D
 
mattj said:
.... T_T

Dang, and I've got like an adamant one with me in my second slot...

Well, I'll just finish out the journal flips and steps and see if it magically works and when it doesn't I'll come back with a Jolly.

I do appreciate your help.

Noob question alert!

Why does it matter method J or 1? The spread I got twice showed up when i searched for it under method 1.
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Other than "that's just the way it is" (which is a suitable answer for many RNG idiosyncracies), Method J is the only method in DPPt that works with Synchronize, so it governs all wild Pokemon except for gifts (like the starters) and wanderers (for unknown reasons).
 
Wild Eep said:
Other than "that's just the way it is" (which is a suitable answer for many RNG idiosyncracies), Method J is the only method in DPPt that works with Synchronize, so it governs all wild Pokemon except for gifts (like the starters) and wanderers (for unknown reasons).
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I'm a simple guy, so "that's the way it is works just fine for me."

I'm changing my mind to looking for an adamant one since I've got one in my party. I'll pick the IVs and generate a list from the capture tab in the time finder under method J this time and get my time date and delay and start over. Since I have an Adamant Syncher, do I still need to select Adamant as the Nature I'm looking for?

Sound good? I do appreciate your expert advice.
 
yawg07 said:
EDIT: DIDNT REFRESH, sorry!
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Yeah, I was facing towards him.

I actually tried it by taking a step back. Saving it. Hitting my seed. Doing 1 less flip and taking a step forward, but I still didn't get my frame.

I'm going to try searching for a method J spread this time! XD

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no worries man. thanks for at least thinking about my problem! :D
 
mattj said:
I'm a simple guy, so "that's the way it is works just fine for me."

I'm changing my mind to looking for an adamant one since I've got one in my party. I'll pick the IVs and generate a list from the capture tab in the time finder under method J this time and get my time date and delay and start over. Since I have an Adamant Syncher, do I still need to select Adamant as the Nature I'm looking for?

Sound good? I do appreciate your expert advice.
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As far as I know, having a synchronizer of the wrong nature will never help you get a target frame. So if you still want that Jolly spread, your only chance is a Jolly synchronizer.
 
Wild Eep said:
As far as I know, having a synchronizer of the wrong nature will never help you get a target frame. So if you still want that Jolly spread, your only chance is a Jolly synchronizer.
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Oh yeah. I don't really want a jolly gigas. That was just a spread I picked. This is just practice to get good at RNG. I changed my mind and found what looks like a good adamant spread because I've got an adamant synchronizer in my party. I searched for an adamant one with good IVs and input that I'd have an adamant synchronizer and generated with method J this time so i guess I'm on the right track.

I'm looking to hit...
2003-01-01 18:24:00 Delay-626 (i've hit that 3/7 times tonight so far) and my SR time has been 14 seconds (hit that 7/7 times so far tonight).
The frame I'm looking to flip/walk to is...
Frame 37, Adamant, 31/31/30/20/30/31
So I need to advance 37-2=35 so that's 34/2=17 journal flips and then one step forward on the encounter tile then talk to gigas.

Dang. That's a lot easier than what I've been doing!
Everything look kosher?

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anyway it's late. I'm calling it a night. I think I'm on the right track though! :D

Thanks again to eeeeeverybody!
 
Sorry to double post, but I wanted to make sure y'all read this.

Went to bed. Got up before work. Tried it a couple of times. Consistently hit 622. Adjusted to set delay at 622. Hit time and delay. Journal flipped. Stepped 1 forward. Got my pokemon! :D

I just wanted to say thanks to mingnot, wild eep, mendokuse, all4game, yawg and everbody else who helped me out with my annoying noob questions last night. I'm the kind of guy that if I can do it once I'm sure I can do it more so I probably shouldn't be on here bothering y'all too much more.

I really do appreciate everyone's help. All of you have made this soooooo much easier for me.

Thank you,

Matthew Carter
 
I'm attempting to hatch a shiny Gible with perfect IVs. I have two parents and a seed (and thus delay/time/frame) that will get me my IVs based on the parents. I used the guide on the first page to get my shiny/gender and now I'm about to start to calibrate my frame to hit my perfect IV frame.

My question relates to the shiny/gender part of the equation. I ended up with a female using the "start game / get high-level poke / find seed / look for shinies with target nature / reset if you can't find one" method. Is there an easier way to find a shiny egg with a given nature (and most important, gender) without having to resort to luck-of-the-draw? Is there any program that can find you a seed that will get you a shiny/nature/gender given a delay range and all that on a low frame?

Just wondering...
 
Waterfiend33 said:
I'm attempting to hatch a shiny Gible with perfect IVs. I have two parents and a seed (and thus delay/time/frame) that will get me my IVs based on the parents. I used the guide on the first page to get my shiny/gender and now I'm about to start to calibrate my frame to hit my perfect IV frame.

My question relates to the shiny/gender part of the equation. I ended up with a female using the "start game / get high-level poke / find seed / look for shinies with target nature / reset if you can't find one" method. Is there an easier way to find a shiny egg with a given nature (and most important, gender) without having to resort to luck-of-the-draw? Is there any program that can find you a seed that will get you a shiny/nature/gender given a delay range and all that on a low frame?

Just wondering...
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Yes, integrated into the new RNG reporter is a shiny finder for eggs. It works like MinusOne's program. Just look into RNG reporter, look at dppt time finder, then choose the shiny egg tab at the top.
 
Wild Eep said:
As far as I know, having a synchronizer of the wrong nature will never help you get a target frame. So if you still want that Jolly spread, your only chance is a Jolly synchronizer.
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It can do sometimes; I've used a wrong-natured synch to flip my frame (not delay) from odd to even so I don't have to walk 128 steps.
 
;_; Help, anyone?

OK, I'm trying to hit a spread with a target frame of 19. I am hitting my Target Time and Delay, but still getting a Pokemon with the wrong nature / IVs. My method is Method 1 Sweet Scenting on water. Here are my steps:

1) After flipping the coin ten times, I turn (but don't move), putting the RNG to 1.
2) I then flip the journal seven times, putting the RNG to 15.
3) I activate Honey (Lack of sweet Scenter) to encounter the Pokemon.

I have one wandering Pokemon. What is going wrong?


Target Frame: 19
Monster Frame: 3
Wandering Frame: 1
Total: 15
Extra info:

I have two Pokemon in my party.
Does using Honey advance the RNG?
 
When SS on water, you subtract 3 from the target frame.
So 19 - 3 = 16
You need to advance that many times, so divide it by 2 for 8 journal flips.

But besides that, the pokemon are method J not method 1. That is why you are messing up.
 
LightningFusion said:
When SS on water, you subtract 3 from the target frame.
So 19 - 3 = 16
You need to advance that many times, so divide it by 2 for 8 journal flips.

But besides that, the pokemon are method J not method 1. That is why you are messing up.
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Doh!

You forgot my roaming Mesprit, so it would in fact be 15. It's Method J why I'm messing up. ;_;

I'll probably get it next time I try though. =D

EDIT: This time it has a frame of 4. Easy peesy! =9
 
Wichu said:
It can do sometimes; I've used a wrong-natured synch to flip my frame (not delay) from odd to even so I don't have to walk 128 steps.
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Ah, good call. I was going for the "wrong-natured sync can't make new target spreads appear" aspect.
 
I am having trouble with the D/P/Pt seed finder if someone can help thank you.

I am aiming for a delay of 1620 to RNG a shiny anorith on my diamond game from the fossil. I'm using emloop to time how long i need to wait at the continue screen. Based on the coin flips I can assume I am missing my target time and delay. When I catch a pokemon to check the delay and time I hit the seed finder says "No reasonable seed can be found. Please check your DATE and TIME." I have repeatedly attempted always making sure my date and time were the ones i needed but keep getting the same error.

If someone can help with this problem or have a reason as to why this is happening it will be appreciated, thank you.
 
Follow-up to my last question: assuming I use the Dppt shiny egg finder function of the time finder, will I be able to use coin flips to confirm my seed, since those advance the IRNG? More specifically, is there a way to confirm the seed / delay without messing up the IRNG?
 
I'd just like to thank all the members at Smogon that contributed to the guide on the front page. I finally have my Bold high IV'd Pelipper. =D
 
Nexus said:
I am having trouble with the D/P/Pt seed finder if someone can help thank you.

I am aiming for a delay of 1620 to RNG a shiny anorith on my diamond game from the fossil. I'm using emloop to time how long i need to wait at the continue screen. Based on the coin flips I can assume I am missing my target time and delay. When I catch a pokemon to check the delay and time I hit the seed finder says "No reasonable seed can be found. Please check your DATE and TIME." I have repeatedly attempted always making sure my date and time were the ones i needed but keep getting the same error.

If someone can help with this problem or have a reason as to why this is happening it will be appreciated, thank you.
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The same thing is happening to me, I don't get it either. >.<
 
I suppose you guys aren't entering in the date and time of when you pressed 'A' on the Continue screen. Are you entering the minute you caught the pokemon?
 
all4game said:
The same thing is happening to me, I don't get it either. >.<
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Guys, that happens because RNG reporter search until 999 for delay.
It could be useful having RNG reporte looking for delays until 3000 or something like that.
Let's hope mingot add this function in the future. ;)

Anyway, I've been testing the radar for quite a while now.
I thought it was possible to abuse shiny patches, but I'm still confused about that.
Thanks to my supercard ds one, which I've discovered can do save states, I saved in front of a shiny patch, I caught the pokemon (flaaffy) and then I looked for the frame in the spreadsheet of my seed (bf0302ac).
But I couldn't find it.
However, I've proven that the spread you get from the shiny patch can change (because the first time I loaded the save state I didn't do any journal flips, while the second I did a journal flip and the pokemon I got changed).
But again, I couldn't find these spreads with the current seed.
Also, I looked for these shiny spreads among my shiny spreads with Wichu's program, but it couldn't find them.
Now my question is: How are these shiny spreads generated?
I know that the answer may not be known right now, but I'll continue researching to discover it.
If anyone knows something please contact me.
 
Red_Phoenix said:
Guys, that happens because RNG reporter search until 999 for delay.
It could be useful having RNG reporte looking for delays until 3000 or something like that.
Let's hope mingot add this function in the future. ;)
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They are not searching for delays, they already have a specific delay in mind and wish to verify which delays they are hitting using the Seed Finder function. It should work for any delay range as long as you are inputting the correct information, and does not have a limit of 999 as does another function of RNG reporter.

That out of the way, I believe LightningFusion posted information on how to manipulate the RNG and radar in tandem. I'll edit in a minute or so with the link.

EDIT: Here you go. http://www.smogon.com/forums/showpost.php?p=2150052&postcount=9035

The search function is a highly useful tool, more people should use it in order to avoid posting similar questions multiple times.

Red_Phoenix said:
I've just tested and you're right, RNG reporter has not a limit of 999 apparently.
That's strange because I tried to look for a delay higher than 999 and it didn't work.

About the radar...I know how it works, I was asking a different thing.
I didn't need the search function because this is a new research about SHINY PATCH.
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I wasn't aiming that search comment at you specifically, just the influx of people posting here. :P

@LF: I see. Good luck with your testing RP!
 
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