Pokémon HeartGold & SoulSilver - The Offical In-Game Discussion Thread

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blasphemy1 said:
..and will be atleast 5-10 levels higher than Gyarados at the point you would meet him.
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This is the only line I disagree with you on, because it is heavily reliant on play style. If you tend to favour one or two pokemon, I can see being that far overleveled. However, if you were to raise 6 pokemon evenly without wild pokemon grinding, just trainer battles then Gyarados would be more about on par or even at a higher level, rather than a hindrance. I'm not saying you are wrong, just that it isn't absolute.

Also it being hot shit is most likely because it is shiny. Even if it is a predetermined-everyone-gets-it shiny, it is still a shiny.

Personally I could care less. I've used Gyarados in too many various runs over the years that it is really boring to use it again. Feraligatr is where it is at.

EDIT: In retrospect it seems I was doing a devils advocate, sorry if it felt I was arguing for arguing's sake, that wasn't my intent. You did say it best:

blasphemy1 said:
Point and case-it comes down to personal preference-nothing more.
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Quite frankly, I don't know why you people say the game is "hard" with Chikorita as the starter. Except for Falkner, Bugsy, Jasmine and Rocket Lance, Chikorita has done her job pretty well to me, IMO. I started with Chikorita in my gamecart, but I went with Cyndaquil when playing in the rom and really, both are the same damn thing. Except for shit like Jasmine, Bugsy, Falkner and Rocket Lance, Chikorita can take down anything Cyndaquil can too. It's not like you need to be over nine thousand levels higher than the NPCs to beat them anyway. And after playing Ruby/Emerald a lot of times with Torchic Platinum once with Chimchar and Fire Red a couple of times with Charmander, you see that Cyndaquil's level-up moves and special-based TMs suck. It's almost an insult to other fire-types. And that's saying a lot.


And Dunk, I can attest that Sunkern really has 5-max stars in everything. However, as of now, it has:

3 stars in Speed;
2 stars in Power;
1 star in Technique;
1 star in Stamina;
2 stars in Jump.

Needless to say, it royally sucks.
 
It really isn't that difficult with Chikorita. Trouble with Falkner? Catch that now easily-available Mareep for Thundershock and see how that goes. Bugsy's only threat is Scyther, which can be dealt with by a flying type (Wing Attack Zubat, for example). Jasmine isn't even that hard - Bayleef / Meganium's Magical Leaf (Razor Leaf) or Petal Dance do enough to her Magnemite, and Steelix is part ground. Its not like you are restricted to using only your starter for the entire game.

On the other hand, Totodile now becomes extremely viable, thanks to the physical / special split - pretty much moreso than Cyndaquil. Its decent sp.atk allows it to run Surf effectively, while Ice Fang, Waterfall, Earthquake, Crunch, etc are supported by its nice physical attack stat. I'd say it definitely takes 1st place as far as natural level-up moveset is concerned.
 
I just started playing-- couldn't decided what to name my rival. :S In the end I went with "Fusumo." Fu = "not" in Japanese, "sumo" short for "smogon." The loser rival deserves to be not a smogonite . . . yeah, lame. :/

edit: @totodile-- meh, but with Gyarados out there, I'd rather have cindaquil. Though feraligater might be at a higher level when you meet red 'dos, my opinion is I want to do as little training as possible. If a pokemon can be caught at a high level without training, than sweet. Also, if you have another game to trade with (like everyone here?) ghastly is hot shit if you can endure the lick-only phase. :P
 
ChouToshio said:
I just started playing-- couldn't decided what to name my rival. :S In the end I went with "Fusumo." Fu = "not" in Japanese, "sumo" short for "smogon." The loser rival deserves to be not a smogonite . . . yeah, lame. :/

edit: @totodile-- meh, but with Gyarados out there, I'd rather have cindaquil. Though feraligater might be at a higher level when you meet red 'dos, my opinion is I want to do as little training as possible. If a pokemon can be caught at a high level without training, than sweet. Also, if you have another game to trade with (like everyone here?) ghastly is hot shit if you can endure the lick-only phase. :P
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Again, this gen is personal preference. If we played by what is best, nobody should be using a starter at all, or be using Meganium. Like I said before, they are all outclassed by other pokemon, but when you compare them to the other starters, Feraligatr is the best.
 
Holy cow! Unlike in other games, Gym 1's badge lets you control pokemon up to level 20! Where as other's you'd get control up to 30 but you'd have to wait to beat gym 2. Sweet!

I enjoy playing through these games with bred pokemon (trading pokemon I catch for IV bred/ev trained versions from other games)-- like say an IV bred EV trained level 5 cyndaquil (Hidden Power Grass ftw). Psychologically, I just can't have fun raising random pokemon with random ivs/evs. :S In past games it was always a bitch to control the little buggers, but gym 1 giving you up to level 20 is nice! Maybe all the gyms this gen give a level control bonus?

edit: Kansai ben omoroi nen! (Kansai dialect ftw!) GS is based off of Kansai area (western Japan). I just love how some of the characters talk in Kansai dialect! Specifically, the kimono lady just met outside the 1st gym talks in a kind of formal Kyoto dialect-- I love it! :D Kansai Daisuki yanen! (I love Kansai!)
 
In the originals i found Meganium to be amazing. With Body Slam and Poisonpowder i put most foes udner a status. It helped so much against Lance by Poisoning his Dragonites and then switching out.
When it comes out in England i will no doubt start with Chikorita (I always use the grass starters because Fire is over-rated and there are so many Water types).
 
Meganium in the Veridian Hologram have a pretty good moveset:
Toxic
Leech Seed
Protect
Giga Dream (I guess)

I love it *.*
 
I thought I'd ask, is it possible to max out all of a Pokemon's Pokethlon stats (Not as in making them all 5 star, as in making them as high as the Pokemon allows Eg. Blaziken having 2 stars in speed, 5 stars in Power and technique and having 4 stars in stamina and jump) or is there a limit to how many stars you can have filled out?
 
jw if anyone would happen to know anything about this.

you know how platinum/diamond/pearl didn't work with a WPA code router for wifi? does anyone here know if heartgold/soulsilver has switched to being able to use the WPA router? that would help out a ton of people who couldn't use wifi before.
 
ZandgaiaX said:
This is win!

Ok guys, if the game comes in my country I'll buy it. What are the Props and Cons of each starter?
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Here's what I've heard:

Totodile:
Pros: Best starter in general. He has great attack and decent special attack, access to Aqua Jet, the ability to fire off great Surfs and Waterfalls, the fact no Johto gym except Clair's (and by then Sneasel or Piloswine will be in your base, eating your poffins to get Ice Shard, as well as Feraligatr's fangs gaining icy qualities themselves,) and the fact it is a freaking CROCODILE.
Cons: Generally outclassed by Red Gyrarados. If you're only getting it as a trophymon, you'll want Feraligatr.

Cyndaquil:
Pros: Early fire-type starter (good at handling Bugsy and the like,) good special attack, not outclassed by Red Gyrarados, has type advantages against Bugsy, Pryce, and Jasmine, and only Clair poses a type threat (once again, Piloswine or Sneasel will be in your dex by now.)
Cons: Its movepool sux. It's the worst fire starter. It's outclassed by Ho-Oh. If you only get legends as trophies and to beat the E4 the first time...then he may be a good option. Especially if you plan on incorporating Red gyrarados on your team.

Chikorita:

Pros: Not really outclassed by much in Johto, unless you get Celebi REALLY early. It has good status moves, has O.K. STABs, and it looks neat besides. Also, it has a type advantage against Chuck's Poliwrath, something neither other starter can claim. It can also accomodate both Gyrarados and Ho-oh as teammates.
Cons: Weakest starter overall, vulnerable to Falkner (though without Mud-Slap now Mareep can put major hurt in him,) has several type disadvantages to several gyms (though my Torterra did okay against Candice in Diamond, so perhaps it's not as necessary?) outclassed by several National Dex options like Roserade and Sceptile (though normally Scept takes a Johto game anyway, if you don't have RSE and a DS/Lite [not i, though.])

Note: I haven't played, this is just general info I've picked up as general reference.
 
Personally, I'd say Bellossom of all things outclasses Meganium these days in-game. It might not be quite as bulky, but it can learn Sleep Powder in its unevolved forms and Leaf Blade via Move Relearner, while Meganium is stuck with a choice between Razor Leaf, Magical Leaf, and Petal Dance for STAB damage until you reach Kanto. Meganium's poor STAB options are really disappointing nowadays, when other Grass types can get actual damaging moves.

Looking at other options, Vileplume and Victreebel can get Sleep Powder and STAB on Sludge Bomb at least, and Victreebel gets Leaf Blade eventually as well. Exeggutor gets Slee Powder and Leech Seed by level as an Exeggcute, and Wood Hammer at 37 or Seed Bomb by relearner if you dislike recoil.
 
Quick question for HG owners: Do you HAVE to catch ho-oh during the main story? I wanted to SR for one but i dont want to do it until i beat the game. In other words, can you leave ho-oh alone and still beat the game normally?
 
viperGTS said:
Darn... can you at least kill it and come back to it later?
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Yeah you can. I haven't tested myself but I've heard you can, plus it'd make sense seeing as you could rebattle uncaught legends in Platinum.

Also just thought I'd point out that I think Sunkern's and Ditto's 5 stars in everything at Pokéthlon are probably for specialisation. As in, you'll only be able to max 1 at once and the rest will be bad. I haven't tested but it definitely looks that way. By the way, anyone else got the Pokéthlon's golden statues? You have to win every event once, then win every event with a certain pokémon, then beat all the benchmark records before you get awarded access to a room with golden statues of your player and the last 3 pokémon you won with (it changes when you win with different pokémon). I should take pictures.
 
why not, they faint not die, they're allowed to come back and it stays the same one

do IVs lock if you "kill" it though? out site only seems to talk about DP ledges and not platinum where this phenomenon first took flight iirc
 
pkmn1000 said:
I hate thgis rebattling system of legendaries. It isnt a one only anymore if you can kill it beat the e4 and have it respawn.
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It is the same legendary. It wouldn't be the same if you could catch it and THEN having it respawn again.

Jumpman16 said:
why not, they faint not die, they're allowed to come back and it stays the same one

do IVs lock if you "kill" it though? out site only seems to talk about DP ledges and not platinum where this phenomenon first took flight iirc
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No, its PID is re-randomized again when you battle it the second (and the third, and fourth, and fifth...) time.


And hey, did the Rival have an Alakazam on his team after the E4? I really can't remember him having one, but he used to have a Kadabra by Victory Road, which he kept in HGSS...
 
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