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Hmm I always keep reading that hitting a higher delay is way easier than hitting a high frame. well I thought I'll give it a shot. But I gotta know how this actually should work: So let's say I wanna hit a delay about 1900 (sounds crazy to me already but well...)
I put that in emloop and start the game both quite simultanously and I remain in the continue screen till emloop reaches 0 and when it reaches 0 I gotta hit A. Did I get that quite right so far?
 
Romsstar said:
Hmm I always keep reading that hitting a higher delay is way easier than hitting a high frame. well I thought I'll give it a shot. But I gotta know how this actually should work: So let's say I wanna hit a delay about 1900 (sounds crazy to me already but well...)
I put that in emloop and start the game both quite simultanously and I remain in the continue screen till emloop reaches 0 and when it reaches 0 I gotta hit A. Did I get that quite right so far?
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Yes but you gotta know how long your game takes to load and add the time to the 1900 Delay time. Delays only start counting at the black screen.
 
hmm I could hit the Delay. But I kept wondering why the wrong wild pokemon kept appearing and now solved it:
You get very low frames with a high delay. BUT: Method K skips these low frames. they're TOO low.xD
I wonder if a syncher can solve that problem at all.
Gotta try these out.
Cause I landed on the right frame. But in Method K.
Frame 42 in Method 1 is my desired Timid Spread.
But in Method K Frame 42 is a Docile Spread. (maaan:/)
I wonder would a syncher help in these case whatsoever?
 
Romsstar said:
hmm I could hit the Delay. But I kept wondering why the wrong wild pokemon kept appearing and now solved it:
You get very low frames with a high delay. BUT: Method K skips these low frames. they're TOO low.xD
I wonder if a syncher can solve that problem at all.
Gotta try these out.
Cause I landed on the right frame. But in Method K.
Frame 42 in Method 1 is my desired Timid Spread.
But in Method K Frame 42 is a Docile Spread. (maaan:/)
I wonder would a syncher help in these case whatsoever?
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Ouf can't help you there, the only thing I can currently do is breed as for Methods and all that...and Method K...I heard of J and 1 but what's K for?
But you can try a synchroniser, or there might be way to make the effect of Method 1 overlap the one of Method K....however I never heard of sauch a thing.
And I often use emloop to hit a constant delay tough I did managed to hit differents high Delays for the ID/SID thing. 7725 Fuuuuu-
So I know the delay part is possible and not all that hard...but frusturating at some points...specialy when your calculations don't fuckin work
 
yeah it is kind of frustrating and taking it's time.
Method K is the new Method that Legends use in Heart Gold and Soul Silver.
But Wild Pokemon and Sweet Scented use that Method as well.
Wanted to try it out first on Wild Pokemon as it makes no difference to me.
That sucks that Method K is not just skipping the frame but there is a different spread on it.
Edit: Ok Syncher works. But not like you want it to. The Syncher let me hit the right nature all right. Got a Timid spread there. But not the desired one and it was also present on Method K and hitting a frame a few frames before or after the desired one still punched me to the one in Method K. So this gotta mean: If you wanna abuse for a Legendary which is not a roamer, you can't use spreads which are present on Method 1 but not on Method K. At least this is what I've found out so far. Which sorta sucks btw. Fundamental disadvantage of high delays and low frames it seems.xD

Edit2: Which makes me wonder about the Suicune again btw...xD Or is Suicune Method 1?oO?

Edit3: Ok so far I tried out and a frame of 178 in Method 1 was on frame 15 with Method K. so I'm guessing: In order for a Method 1 Frame to be also present in Method K it has to be at least something between 170-180. I can't say for sure but makes sense for me. So if you search for a frame with PokeRNG I guess you put for starting frame 170 in if you want to abuse for Legends in HG&SS. But well all I do is guessing.

 
It can be used on anything.lol
I just used it on Wild Pokemon.
And emloop basically is for legends only.
At least I don't know a lot of guys here using emloop for breeding.lol
But you can use it for ID/SID abuse, Legends, hitting high delays. Well it's like a freakin cool stopwatch.xD
 
Romsstar said:

Edit3: Ok so far I tried out and a frame of 178 in Method 1 was on frame 15 with Method K. so I'm guessing: In order for a Method 1 Frame to be also present in Method K it has to be at least something between 170-180. I can't say for sure but makes sense for me. So if you search for a frame with PokeRNG I guess you put for starting frame 170 in if you want to abuse for Legends in HG&SS. But well all I do is guessing.
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Everything you are saying about method 1 and method K is wrong and makes no sense.

You are completely on the wrong track.

Read the Method J (yes, J) information in the OP of this thread if you want the details, but they are really not important for abusing. The difference in frames between method 1 and J/K means nothing and is completely variable and based on the return of an RNG call.
 
I was just guessing.
But still fact remains: the spread I searched for is present on Method 1 but not on Method K.
A syncher doesn't change that at all.
and if my target frame is higher than 170+ it becomes present on Method K as well. This are my experiences so far.
I can tell you what happened when I tried out.
I can't tell alas WHY it is so.
Only what occured.
But if Method 1 and K are so similar why I can't find the spread I have in Method 1 on Method K with a low frame but can do with a high frame? I see there sort of a connection.
 
i'm rng abusing a flawless raikou... I hit my delay and now I am in Victory Road; i'm also using save states. I randomly advanced the frame talking to my first pokemon (empoleon) until I got a frame that is "near" my target frame. I save stated and I used sweet scent. after that i checked my caught graveler's IVs and in method K without synch nature the spread is on frame 21897 or 21899. then i caught another pokemon with sweet scent (again a graveler) and checked IVs. how is it possible that the frame is not 21899 or 21901? doesn't sweet scent advance the frame by 2?
 
sasuke-kun19 said:
i'm rng abusing a flawless raikou... I hit my delay and now I am in Victory Road; i'm also using save states. I randomly advanced the frame talking to my first pokemon (empoleon) until I got a frame that is "near" my target frame. I save stated and I used sweet scent. after that i checked my caught graveler's IVs and in method K without synch nature the spread is on frame 21897 or 21899. then i caught another pokemon with sweet scent (again a graveler) and checked IVs. how is it possible that the frame is not 21899 or 21901? doesn't sweet scent advance the frame by 2?
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HGSS seems to have some oddities with its RNG. Other people have reported getting Pokemon from many frames in advance, while researching breeding.

Be careful when using Victory Road for this. When walking over to Lance, you probably will hit the 128-step threshold that advances the RNG by the number of Pokemon in your party.
 
Also, you should look how the RNG is advanced in the first post after using sweet scent and battling a pokemon. If you understand it, you will see why it isn't the frames you thinkg it would be.
 
OmegaDonut said:
HGSS seems to have some oddities with its RNG. Other people have reported getting Pokemon from many frames in advance, while researching breeding.

Be careful when using Victory Road for this. When walking over to Lance, you probably will hit the 128-step threshold that advances the RNG by the number of Pokemon in your party.
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yeah, my purpose was to go "near" my target frame and then advance in front of lance without forgetting the steps I need to reach lance. but if i don't know very well the consequences of using sweet scent i must see the first post.. anyway thank you
 
RNGd my first shiny through breeding last night (yay teal Piplup!), so I decided to attempt a Nidoran. I totally failed, nothing was right D: I've noticed this happening with Staryu as well which brought up this question: do you have to use a different method to RNG shiny genderless pokes through eggs?
 
Is there any specific method people use for time keeping when doing your SR's in Emerald? I personally have been using emloop, but with the longer times, there seems to be a sporadic offset. I was able to find the offset for my Tyranitar, when I was using the 31/31/31/21/31/31 spread, but now I'm going for the flawless spread at frame 73781 and there doesn't seem to be a pattern. I guess I'm asking is there a better way to find your offset (and does this offset really exist, or is it a problem with my game/computer), than keep on trying because waiting 30-40 minutes each time (waiting time + time checking IV's) isn't exactly ideal.

Thanks!
 
Do the moving NPCs in Oreburgh Museum affect frame? The on-site guide says they don't, but when I tried abusing for fossils, I got different, higher frames than what I was shooting for so clearly they did.
 
I've been trying to RNG abuse for a specific ID-SID combination.
I am trying to hit this seed:
2404177D Time: 7/30/2009 4:38:44
Delay: 6004

I first set my clock to 4:38:00 and used a timer so when I enter the game, the time was 4:38:44 and when I finished creating a new game and entered my house the time was 4:39:52. The ID SID combo that was generated implies that my seconds value assuming the time was 4:38 was 9. Assuming the time was 4:39, the seconds value was 8. Neither of these values corresponded to when I either entered the new game screen or when I entered my house. I am trying to figure out when the seconds number is counted.

Sorry if this post doesn't make sense. I found it hard to explain,
 
A simple question, i am currently trying to hit a delay and frame for an egg, which has the right nature and right ability, if i go off and take a break from resetting will the egg change in any way?
 
Romsstar said:
I was just guessing.
But still fact remains: the spread I searched for is present on Method 1 but not on Method K.

A syncher doesn't change that at all.

Yes, and this is the same as method J. There are just some method J AND K spreads that you can't hit.

and if my target frame is higher than 170+ it becomes present on Method K as well. This are my experiences so far.

I think I understand what you are seeing. 170 is not a magic number. If there is any magic number (there is not, this is variable) where you are more likely to see it, then it would be 50. But that doesn't mean a frame 3 or 4 method 1 won't be seen in method K. Frames 1 and 2, though are always hidden for a particular seed.

I can tell you what happened when I tried out.
I can't tell alas WHY it is so.
Only what occured.
But if Method 1 and K are so similar why I can't find the spread I have in Method 1 on Method K with a low frame but can do with a high frame? I see there sort of a connection.

I do see what you mean now. Read the first post for method J frame generation and work it out from there. You really need to understand the mechanic and I am not reexplaining it.
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-GZ- said:
Come on guys I really need an answer please.
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Are you breeding or catching something?

If you are breeding look at the list. Find something that DOES have the IVs you are looking for (the ones that were not inhereted). It's really simple, so I can't think of a much better explanation than that. sorry.
 
Does anybody know if it's possible to RNG abuse an egg from Pokemon Box? I've just ordered it but I have no idea how or when the egg is received (or anything else for that matter).
 
Lee said:
Does anybody know if it's possible to RNG abuse an egg from Pokemon Box? I've just ordered it but I have no idea how or when the egg is received (or anything else for that matter).
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flawless shiny adamant gluttony extreme speed zigzagoon would be nice, eh?

i imagine this would be ridiculously hard though, because dont you have to collect a thousand pokes in box or something? and then once you've transferred the egg, you cant do it again (probably have to start a new box and ruby/sapphire).
 
So, I've been try to hit this:

1335332536F c1677e3a (TIMID, ability 0) 31/31/31/30/31/31 (Seed: 48080a94 Frame: 5) HP ELECTRIC 70

With Method K and sync, it's supposed to be on Frame 4.

I have all three roamers out. So my starting frame is 4.

I tested this. In trying to hit target seed, I checked the Frame of the Poke I used to check the seed. Aside from a few cases, they've all been on Frame 4.

The exceptions being every time I have hit target seed. It's been on Frame 5. This has also happened a few times with other seeds, but I haven't hit those other seeds enough to see if it's been every time.

So I was wondering if there were a few bugs in the reporter and Frame 5 of my target seed also exists on Frame 4, or if there are any moving NPCs in Route 25(going after Suicune, of course). I'll check on the NPCs myself, but I don't think there are any since 96 times out of 100, it's been a consistant Frame, except when it counts, of course.

EDIT: All NPCs seem to be stationary.

Or is it something else entirely, in which case should I pull my hair out now?

EDIT: Imma pull my hair out now.
 
Everything related to HG/SS is still considered experimental. Additionally, I would guess that you are trying Suicune -- Which is something that I can't test under the debugger because it crashes on that encounter and is therefore something that I don't have the capability to check into. Sorry.
 
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