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Well, Chatot outspeeds Moltres. Where's your god now huh lol

Seriously now, the only way i see to use Pidgeot without being outclassed by something else is... Tangled Feet. But there's not much use for this ability... Wiki Berry? Meh...
 
Pidgeot wasn't half bad last meta. The average base speed was 80 and Venusaur was at number 1 usage. I use to run a Pidgeot set that looked like
Jolly 80hp 252atk 176 spe - Brave Bird/Uturn/Roost/Filler. Now that the average base speed has been bumped up again... Pidgeot will have to wait a bit longer.
 
A SubRoost set viable for Pidgeot (Sub/Roost/Toxic/Air Slash)?? I mean, offensively, he's outclassed by Staraptor, Swellow, etc, and defensively, he's outclassed by Noctowl and Togetic, but no Normal/Flying type has the combination of speed and bulk. Pidgeot can set up a Sub faster than Noctowl or Togetic can, and can take hits better than his offensive counterparts. Then again, even a SubRoost set would be outclassed by Articuno in NU and Moltres in UU, although it is something I think he has over his fellow Normal birds.
 
With everyone now running CM sets that outspeed jolly SD saur, scarf Absol can dish out the punishment, literally. Once Cress hits 3 CM's, its dead - with punishment reaching a whopping 540 BP (with STAB and SE factord in).
 
Brass said:
Do you think that scyther will be as useful if and after cress leaves UU
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I'm thinking no, but we can't be sure until it happens, if it ever does.

I think it will still be useful, but not as useful as it is now. I mean it did get decent usage before Cresselia existed in UU anyway.
 
Here's a lead ive been playing around with, and its been very successful at tearing apart those annoying uxie leads that seem t0 have taken the mantle from Froslass as the most common. The annoying thing about uxie is that it can run about four different sets, but this takes care of all of them. With download, it automatically gains a +1 boost as most uxie are def geared. Throw in a free NP thanks to Lum and you reach +3. Dark Pulse is a ohko and now you can wreck havoc on the remaining members of their team. Only trick scarf uxie will stop it, but hey, porygonz isnt about to frown on scarf. This set has 6-0'd a few respected players straight off the bat, without the need to switch out. This is a very rough spread, and one could certainly tweak it to modest nature and a bit of bulk - personal preference.

Porygon-Z @ Lum Berry
Ability: Download
EV's: 4 HP/252 SpA/252 Spe
Nature: Timid
Moveset:
- Dark Pulse
- Nasty Plot
- Tri Attack
- HP Fighting
 
Smurf. said:
Here's a lead ive been playing around with, and its been very successful at tearing apart those annoying uxie leads that seem t0 have taken the mantle from Froslass as the most common. The annoying thing about uxie is that it can run about four different sets, but this takes care of all of them. With download, it automatically gains a +1 boost as most uxie are def geared. Throw in a free NP thanks to Lum and you reach +3. Dark Pulse is a ohko and now you can wreck havoc on the remaining members of their team. Only trick scarf uxie will stop it, but hey, porygonz isnt about to frown on scarf. This set has 6-0'd a few respected players straight off the bat, without the need to switch out. This is a very rough spread, and one could certainly tweak it to modest nature and a bit of bulk - personal preference.

Porygon-Z @ Lum Berry
Ability: Download
EV's: 4 HP/252 SpA/252 Spe
Nature: Timid
Moveset:
- Dark Pulse
- Nasty Plot
- Tri Attack
- HP Fighting
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That looks beast, I gotta try that.

Do you know if Dark Pulse is a OHKO on Froslass assuming it's not carrying focus sash? Also, when does the voting take place for this suspect test?
 
Smurf. said:
Here's a lead ive been playing around with, and its been very successful at tearing apart those annoying uxie leads that seem t0 have taken the mantle from Froslass as the most common. The annoying thing about uxie is that it can run about four different sets, but this takes care of all of them. With download, it automatically gains a +1 boost as most uxie are def geared. Throw in a free NP thanks to Lum and you reach +3. Dark Pulse is a ohko and now you can wreck havoc on the remaining members of their team. Only trick scarf uxie will stop it, but hey, porygonz isnt about to frown on scarf. This set has 6-0'd a few respected players straight off the bat, without the need to switch out. This is a very rough spread, and one could certainly tweak it to modest nature and a bit of bulk - personal preference.

Porygon-Z @ Lum Berry
Ability: Download
EV's: 4 HP/252 SpA/252 Spe
Nature: Timid
Moveset:
- Dark Pulse
- Nasty Plot
- Tri Attack
- HP Fighting
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Just saying, but doesn't that set lose horribly to Ambipom? Since it looks like it wouldn't take Fake Out+Return. I guess you could switch out of course. Also, it appears that Froslass with Sash will still be able to get a layer of spikes up, and then get another one up, or attempt to Destiny Bond you if it predicts that you're going to attack.

However, it does look like it would do very well against any variant of Uxie. I should really try it sometime, since it would definitely help against those Uxie that seem to be much more common now. I just doubt that it will be much use against other leads.
 
SilentVerse said:
Just saying, but doesn't that set lose horribly to Ambipom? Since it looks like it wouldn't take Fake Out+Return. I guess you could switch out of course. Also, it appears that Froslass with Sash will still be able to get a layer of spikes up, and then get another one up, or attempt to Destiny Bond you if it predicts that you're going to attack.

However, it does look like it would do very well against any variant of Uxie. I should really try it sometime, since it would definitely help against those Uxie that seem to be much more common now. I just doubt that it will be much use against other leads.
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Yeah its designed as a specific anti lead, like the special sharpedo a i ran previously just to head hunt froslass. My team welcomes ambipom leads so i'll switch out to get the ball rolling on supporting su(b)perior. PZ can always return later to sweep.

EDIT: oh yeah it also greatly increases offensive pressure, with uxie gone, opponents don't have that blanket check anymore, putting you in a very advantageous position. Excellent offensive and support poke.
 
Smurf. said:
Yeah its designed as a specific anti lead, like the special sharpedo a i ran previously just to head hunt froslass. My team welcomes ambipom leads so i'll switch out to get the ball rolling on supporting su(b)perior. PZ can always return later to sweep.

EDIT: oh yeah it also greatly increases offensive pressure, with uxie gone, opponents don't have that blanket check anymore, putting you in a very advantageous position. Excellent offensive and support poke.
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Ahh, alright. It does look like it would do really well against Uxie then, since it could use it as set up bait and ravage through the opponent's team.
 
So I've started laddering again in the last few days, and whilst it feels slightly more settled now, I still hate this metagame an awful lot.

The thing is, despite Honchkrow's departure, it seems even easier to win matches now. From my experience, this is due to the fact that almost all teams that are well prepared for Cresselia are more vulnerable to other strong threats that tend to have decent synergy with her. I have been using a NP Toxicroak and a RP Aggron alongside her, and by feeding off each other and abusing SR/Spikes support, at least one of them tends to get at least 2-3 kills per match. I haven't lost a match yet with this team because of that.

I actually wouldn't object to removing Cresselia from the tier right now if there was a vote today. Then we could concentrate on the more debatable suspects, i.e. P-Z, 'Kou, 'Lass and 'Tres, something that is very difficult to do at the moment.

What do you guys all think of Cresselia now after the first two weeks of testing?
 
Cress is still broken, annoying, and overcentralizing. I've pretty much given up any hope of making a competitively viable team that's also fun to use so I made a fun little mono-fire team. It dropped my rating down to the upper 1500s but eh, it's still fun as hell to play with.
 
Yeah cress is a pain in the ass, its like sub mind kou on crack pretty much. I mean its sub is really very difficult to break, it requires over specific checks and its so hard to kill regardless and it kills most of the things people seem to be using to beat it. I.e Absol. In the end i just didnt care and used Haze Milotic to outstall it. :x

Porygon-z is the same in my book, except its slightly easier to kill. The choice sets arent too bad (i havent used an offensive team in this metagame but i would assume Scarf-z is an idiot to face for those and rather hard to check), but really sub plot P-Z and that bulky Recover version need to die, slowly lol.

Also is it just me or do the other suspect's like Lass and Kou seem 'tame' at the moment ? I dont know if thats just because of P-Z and Cress being more dominant, but still.
 
Smurf. said:
Here's a lead ive been playing around with, and its been very successful at tearing apart those annoying uxie leads that seem t0 have taken the mantle from Froslass as the most common. The annoying thing about uxie is that it can run about four different sets, but this takes care of all of them. With download, it automatically gains a +1 boost as most uxie are def geared. Throw in a free NP thanks to Lum and you reach +3. Dark Pulse is a ohko and now you can wreck havoc on the remaining members of their team. Only trick scarf uxie will stop it, but hey, porygonz isnt about to frown on scarf. This set has 6-0'd a few respected players straight off the bat, without the need to switch out. This is a very rough spread, and one could certainly tweak it to modest nature and a bit of bulk - personal preference.

Porygon-Z @ Lum Berry
Ability: Download
EV's: 4 HP/252 SpA/252 Spe
Nature: Timid
Moveset:
- Dark Pulse
- Nasty Plot
- Tri Attack
- HP Fighting
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Looks just like my old Ursaring lead. Shorter life, but more power(depending of the Download bost) and speed.

Ursaring@Toxic Orb
Ability: Quick Feet
Ev's: 4 hp/252 atk/252 spe
Nature: Jolly
Moveset:
-Swords Dance
-Facade
-Close Combat
-Crunch

They look a LOT alike. Only difference is that Ursaring welcomes status, it's faster and it' slightly bulkier(not that it makes any difference) but has a shorter life. And that one is special minded, the other is physical.





I still don' have any problems with Porygon Z and Cresselia. I still hate Raikou more than anything else.

I play with a mono dark team(no, not because of Cresselia. I did the team way before she dropped... and it still has Konchrow), mono rock, mono normal and mono bug. All fun to play with despite the losses.

Well, i have fun even with my momentary main team, because i'm beating the hell up with NU pokes(the best satisfaction you can have is to make a
competitive NU team up in UU... everyone here needs to try that)
 
I think Cresselia is so tough to bring down because unlike its fellow CM counterpart Raikou, Cresselia has the ability Levitate, allowing it to dodge Spikes every time it switches in. I think things would be a bit different if Cresselia was grounded and it didn't have the ability Levitate.
 
nobody needs to try nu pokemon in uu when there are uu pokemon that do it better, if you are satisfied with gimmicks then that's cool but you shouldn't be encouraging them

apparently we don't have a 'quick fix' for cresselia, it looks like we have to wait till next nomination period to fix the metagame
 
Pokemon Combo's

(Stupidly Powerful Combination)
Moltres + Swellow: Both hit hard (1 Physical and 1 Special), enjoy spike support, and are easy to support. (Stupidly powerful combination)

(Winning a Double Switch)
Sleep (Lead) + Ursarang (Guts): New combo that I personally enjoy. Sleep the 1st Pokemon and double switch. Ursarang has enough speed, bulk, and power to gaurentee a kill early in the match. If they don't switch you can nab a free Swords Dance (or Substitute).

(Unforseen Wall)
Lanturn + Weezing: Defensive 'walling' combination. Works intandum with each other nicely. Umbreon can top off this combo.
 
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