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Pokemon Black & White, aka Gen 5. Coming to Japan in Fall 2010.
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I guess your right (I saw a bug literally lose it's mind after a fungus spread through it's body and reached it's brain).....but I can't really imagine Zombies as Pokemon, the main reason being dead obvious.....
I am horrifyingly surprised that after about 16 years, I never realized that the Shelder on Slowbro's tail has a jointed and adjustable mouth!
I like the idea of Zombie pokemon with Light types. Zombie's weaknesses could be Light and Fire (?)
But of course asking for these is just highly unlikely and asking for too much. I doubt there will be any new types brought out. Just about EVERY element is taken. The best they can do is just make pokemon with unusual type combinations like umm... Fire/Water
But of course asking for these is just highly unlikely and asking for too much. I doubt there will be any new types brought out. Just about EVERY element is taken. The best they can do is just make pokemon with unusual type combinations like umm... Fire/Water
Oh dear Hermes...not Light type again...
Next thing you know there'll be fusions.
Lol. Guess I shouldn't have brought that up. But I really do think nothing new like that will even be introduced.
ANYWAY. As much as I like dual type pokemon, I kind of wish the starters are just pure fire/water/grass like in Gen 2. It just seems more natural to me. I feel like they tried a bit too hard on Gen 4 with the starters, like they tried making some unique combinations to (sort of) even out the weaknesses. Just a thought.
Both off those are usable, but really only in UU. In fact, both are NU. They're decent blueprints for future bulky Fires, but not by any means a finished product.
No way. The gen 2 starters are the worst. Having only one STAB type and few decent attacking moves to learn via level-up is terrible.
I skipped GSC, and had I known how awful Typhlosion's level-up movepool was when I started HGSS, I would have made him an HM slave.
Lets try to stay away from light and fusions......There has been a lot of disgruntling speculation about both....besides, we do have a zombie type.....remember ghost? They are the living dead, technically. I just remembered, Shedinja is a zombie.
Not the worst. Feraligator is a pretty good Dragon Dancer, and Megainium would fit really well on a Sunny Day team. And Typhlosion is an excellent candidate for Eruption, being the fastest user of it.
They weren't very great back in GSC, but have become at least usable.....I have to agree that the other starters can usually preform better than them.....
I have been using Torkoal OU, but I get what you mean....A more naturally sturdy w/ better than 70/140/70....and maybe a good secondary typing....And even more importantly, instant recovery.
I have to agree that 2nd gen starters were the weakest. Or rather, ARE the weakest . . .
Probably at the time they were made, Typhlosion and Feraligator had impressive stat spreads. Remember too that at the time Psychic was thought of as a very powerful attack type (the impression left from 1st gen), so Nintendo made a point of making pure grass types like Meganium and Bellossum instead of the old grass/poison base.
Since GSC, the game has developed a lot. Gyarados has found its fangs, and a number of other water pokemon have also far surpassed Feraligator despite it finally getting physical STAB. Pure Fire and pure Grass are "meh" inherently . . .
Pure Water is a proven successful OU typing, but the other two have no real chance . . .
Probably at the time they were made, Typhlosion and Feraligator had impressive stat spreads. Remember too that at the time Psychic was thought of as a very powerful attack type (the impression left from 1st gen), so Nintendo made a point of making pure grass types like Meganium and Bellossum instead of the old grass/poison base.
Since GSC, the game has developed a lot. Gyarados has found its fangs, and a number of other water pokemon have also far surpassed Feraligator despite it finally getting physical STAB. Pure Fire and pure Grass are "meh" inherently . . .
Pure Water is a proven successful OU typing, but the other two have no real chance . . .
Really situational, seeing as Pokemon get bigger when they evolve, thus Low Kick and Grass Knot are designed to do more damage to stronger Pokemon in general. A move that deals damage to weaker Pokemon isn't as useful, unless it hits some of the smaller legendaries (Celebi) for at least neutral.
There are quite a few lightweights in current OU. Rotom, Azelf, Jirachi, Shaymin (OK he's BL), and Celebi would all take 120 base power. Ninjask and Jolteon would take 100.
I reckon in terms of hitting current common OUs, as well as in general, Fire would be the best type. Flying might not be too bad either. The idea is to hit grass and bug, two types that are commonly lightweight, SE.
And of course it goes without saying that it would be REALLY good in Little Cup. Though there are some heavyweights in LC - Onix, Rhyhorn, and Munchlax would take very little, especially with resisting Fire.
It would in all cases need a Grass Knot like distribution though, since other moves are better when they're learnt.
I reckon in terms of hitting current common OUs, as well as in general, Fire would be the best type. Flying might not be too bad either. The idea is to hit grass and bug, two types that are commonly lightweight, SE.
And of course it goes without saying that it would be REALLY good in Little Cup. Though there are some heavyweights in LC - Onix, Rhyhorn, and Munchlax would take very little, especially with resisting Fire.
It would in all cases need a Grass Knot like distribution though, since other moves are better when they're learnt.
I would like to see the starters end up like this:
Grass: Final evo is dual type with Steel [Resists 10 types including Rock] An armored reptile
Fire: Final evo is dual typed with Dragon [Only Heatran resists this combo] A fiery reptile or reptile that breathes fire
Water: Final evo is dual typed with Electric [Only Grass & Dragons resist this combo and Ice Beam will take care of them] An
amphibian/reptile/insert aquatic creature here with electrical properties
All of them would more than likely be very effective in whichever metagame they ended up in.
Grass: Final evo is dual type with Steel [Resists 10 types including Rock] An armored reptile
Fire: Final evo is dual typed with Dragon [Only Heatran resists this combo] A fiery reptile or reptile that breathes fire
Water: Final evo is dual typed with Electric [Only Grass & Dragons resist this combo and Ice Beam will take care of them] An
amphibian/reptile/insert aquatic creature here with electrical properties
All of them would more than likely be very effective in whichever metagame they ended up in.
My fault.
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Some types' just have stronger moves than other, and some types' have more powerful moves on one side of the spectrum. I think they should try to even this out a bit.
I'm almost positive that the basic forms were revealed first for both DP and RS. I wasn't following game news very actively back then either. But if you look at the Fakemon Dex on Serebii, a lot of the attempted fakes are imagined evolutions of Turtwig, Chimchar, and Piplup, so it would seem they were shown to the public first.
infernape, empoleon, swampert and sceptile(maybe torterra too) are the only decent starters, all the others are giant pieces of beta shit, i dont give a damn about the nostagia some persons have about charizard being the gen 1 MASTAH pokemon, we all know he is horrible, i want gamefreak to make decent starters.
He still can be dangerous. If the Stealth Rock is removed, and he's allowed a Substitute and a Belly Drum...well....
Good Night, Irene.
I found the starters to actually be pretty decent for a majority of the actual story gameplay. I mean, that's the point of the starters in the first place: To give you something that can comfortably get you through to the end. I mean, who else honestly didn't light up with glee when you found out Typhlosion could learn Thunderpunch and instantly wipe through the game in Gen 2?
Now, if the starters could be a little more freindly toward actual competitive play, sure, I'd love that. They were onto something when they made Empoleon and Infernape. I'd like to see that trend carry over.
Yeah Venusaur being #1 on the uu usage chart makes him a piece of "beta shit". Really all the starters are pretty good in their own way, but compare to were they are placed, the 2nd gen. starters are the worse.
QFT. Heck, after playing HGSS I realize how good all the other starters are, except Gen II. I honestly don't know how they can top the Gen IV starters though, everything about them (competitively viability, design, typing, movepool, stat distribution, etc) is quite good.
funny. I don't recall any annoying Wobbuffet lockdown finishers in 4th gen....and I don't think my mon spam rage to death either. GF cares about all of their fans, and do make the game competitive- half of the clauses are based on rules in-game! don't try to start a Nintendo/GF vs. fans debate here, please- I mean, look what it did to the Smash community.
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