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Drawing Mohammed
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The principal reason depiction of all humans (indeed, Islamic architecture usually lacks depiction of both animals and humans, not just that of Mohammad! ) is not favored is that it may lead to deification of said people (that happens more often than you'd think, there are ridiculous rituals out there involving worship of saint statues' dicks. ) since Mohammad, as you might know, didn't take idol worship well (which makes Baphomet rather hilarious, on a side note. )
Unless you intend on worshipping the pictures afterwards, Islam is in fact quite okay with drawing Mohammad! If you do intend to do so, that makes you a heathen and you are going to hell. So what, so is the rest of the non-Muslim population.
It's no big deal.
Unless you intend on worshipping the pictures afterwards, Islam is in fact quite okay with drawing Mohammad! If you do intend to do so, that makes you a heathen and you are going to hell. So what, so is the rest of the non-Muslim population.
It's no big deal.
You're right, the biggest argument against pictures is the fear of idolatry. The only thing this thread was really discussing was Deck's and Lelouch's nefarious anti-islam position.
I don't think Deck Knight is anti-Islam, just anti people killing other people. And Lelouch is simply anti-people who aren't Lelouch, and therefore stupid. If he didn't think you were stupid for being religious, he'd find another reason. Man, I'm so glad he ignored me, that way I can ridicule him without feeding the troll.
Unfortunately, that's what most people do. It's easy to google "quran violence" but not many people bother to check the authenticity of the said quotes taken from some anti-Muslim propaganda website.lati0s said:
Lelouch said:
2:160 Fight in the way of Allah against those who fight against you, but begin not hostilities. Lo! Allah loveth not aggressors.
2:193 And fight them on until there is no more Tumult or oppression, and there prevail justice and faith in Allah; but if they cease, Let there be no hostility except to those who practise oppression.
2:256 Let there be no compulsion in religion: Truth stands out clear from Error: whoever rejects evil and believes in Allah hath grasped the most trustworthy hand-hold, that never breaks. And Allah heareth and knoweth all things.
3:133-134 Be quick in the race for forgiveness from your Lord, and for a Garden whose width is that (of the whole) of the heavens and of the earth, prepared for the righteous,- Those who spend (freely), whether in prosperity, or in adversity; who restrain anger, and pardon (all) men; for Allah loves those who do good.
4:86 When ye are greeted with a greeting, greet ye with a better than it or return it. Lo! Allah taketh count of all things.
5:28 If thou dost stretch thy hand against me, to slay me, it is not for me to stretch my hand against thee to slay thee: for I do fear Allah, the cherisher of the worlds.
5:32 On that account: We ordained for the Children of Israel that if any one slew a person - unless it be for murder or for spreading mischief in the land - it would be as if he slew the whole people: and if any one saved a life, it would be as if he saved the life of the whole people. Then although there came to them Our apostles with clear signs, yet, even after that, many of them continued to commit excesses in the land.
7:199 Hold to forgiveness; command what is right; But turn away from the ignorant.
8:61 But if the enemy incline towards peace, do thou (also) incline towards peace, and trust in Allah: for He is One that heareth and knoweth (all things).
10:99 If it had been thy Lord's will, they would all have believed,- all who are on earth! wilt thou then compel mankind, against their will, to believe!
15:3 Leave them (disbelievers) alone, to enjoy (the good things of this life) and to please themselves: let (false) hope amuse them: soon will knowledge (undeceive them).
17:23-26 And your Lord has commanded that you shall not serve (any) but Him, and goodness to your parents. If either or both of them reach old age with you, say not to them (so much as) "Ugh" nor chide them, and speak to them a generous word. And make yourself submissively gentle to them with compassion, and say: O my Lord! have compassion on them, as they brought me up (when I was) little. Your Lord knows best what is in your minds; if you are good, then He is surely Forgiving to those who turn (to Him) frequently. And render to the kindred their due rights, as (also) to those in want, and to the wayfarer: But squander not (your wealth) in the manner of a spendthrift.
17:37 Nor walk on the earth with insolence: for thou can not rend the earth asunder, nor reach the mountains in height.
23:3 Who avoid vain talk;
23:96 Repel evil with that which is best: We are well acquainted with the things they say.
24:27-28 O ye believe! Enter not houses other than your own, until ye have asked permission and saluted those in them: that is best for you, in order that ye may heed (what is seemly). If ye find no one in the house, enter not until permission is given to you: if ye are asked to go back, go back: That makes for greater purity for yourselves: and Allah Knows well all that ye do."
25:68 And they who do not call upon another god with Allah nor take the life which Allah has forbidden except in the requirements of justice, and (who) do not commit fornication and he who does this shall find a requital of sin;
28:54-55 Twice will they be given their reward, for that they have persevered, that they avert Evil with Good, and that they spend (in charity) out of what We have given them. And when they hear vain talk, they turn away therefrom and say: 'To us our deeds, and to you yours; peace be to you: we seek not the ignorant.'
31:18 And swell not thy cheek (for pride) at men, nor walk in insolence through the earth; for God loveth not any arrogant boaster.
41:34 Nor can goodness and Evil be equal. Repel (Evil) with what is better: Then will he between whom and thee was hatred become as it were thy friend and intimate!
49:11 O ye who believe! Let not some men among you laugh at others: It may be that the (latter) are better than the (former): Nor let some women laugh at others: It may be that the (latter are better than the (former): Nor defame nor be sarcastic to each other, nor call each other by (offensive) nicknames: Ill-seeming is a name connoting wickedness, (to be used of one) after he has believed: And those who do not desist are (indeed) doing wrong.
49:12 O you who believe! avoid most of suspicion, for surely suspicion in some cases is a sin, and do not spy nor let some of you backbite others. Does one of you like to eat the flesh of his dead brother? But you abhor it; and be careful of (your duty to) Allah, surely Allah is Oft-returning (to mercy), Merciful.
49:13 O mankind! We created you from a single (pair) of a male and a female, and made you into nations and tribes, that ye may know each other (not that ye may despise (each other)). Verily the most honoured of you in the sight of Allah is (he who is) the most righteous of you. And Allah has full knowledge and is well acquainted (with all things).
60:8 Allah forbiddeth you not those who warred not against you on account of religion and drove you not out from your homes, that ye should show them kindness and deal justly with them. Lo! Allah loveth the just dealers.
90:12-17 And what will explain to you what the steep path is? It is the freeing of a (slave) from bondage; or the giving of food in a day of famine to an orphan relative, or to a needy in distress. Then will he be of those who believe, enjoin fortitude and encourage kindness and compassion.
109:1-6 Say: O disbelievers! I worship not that which ye worship, Nor will ye worship that which I worship. And I will not worship that which ye have been wont to worship, Nor will ye worship that which I worship. To you be your Way, and to me mine.
2:193 And fight them on until there is no more Tumult or oppression, and there prevail justice and faith in Allah; but if they cease, Let there be no hostility except to those who practise oppression.
2:256 Let there be no compulsion in religion: Truth stands out clear from Error: whoever rejects evil and believes in Allah hath grasped the most trustworthy hand-hold, that never breaks. And Allah heareth and knoweth all things.
3:133-134 Be quick in the race for forgiveness from your Lord, and for a Garden whose width is that (of the whole) of the heavens and of the earth, prepared for the righteous,- Those who spend (freely), whether in prosperity, or in adversity; who restrain anger, and pardon (all) men; for Allah loves those who do good.
4:86 When ye are greeted with a greeting, greet ye with a better than it or return it. Lo! Allah taketh count of all things.
5:28 If thou dost stretch thy hand against me, to slay me, it is not for me to stretch my hand against thee to slay thee: for I do fear Allah, the cherisher of the worlds.
5:32 On that account: We ordained for the Children of Israel that if any one slew a person - unless it be for murder or for spreading mischief in the land - it would be as if he slew the whole people: and if any one saved a life, it would be as if he saved the life of the whole people. Then although there came to them Our apostles with clear signs, yet, even after that, many of them continued to commit excesses in the land.
7:199 Hold to forgiveness; command what is right; But turn away from the ignorant.
8:61 But if the enemy incline towards peace, do thou (also) incline towards peace, and trust in Allah: for He is One that heareth and knoweth (all things).
10:99 If it had been thy Lord's will, they would all have believed,- all who are on earth! wilt thou then compel mankind, against their will, to believe!
15:3 Leave them (disbelievers) alone, to enjoy (the good things of this life) and to please themselves: let (false) hope amuse them: soon will knowledge (undeceive them).
17:23-26 And your Lord has commanded that you shall not serve (any) but Him, and goodness to your parents. If either or both of them reach old age with you, say not to them (so much as) "Ugh" nor chide them, and speak to them a generous word. And make yourself submissively gentle to them with compassion, and say: O my Lord! have compassion on them, as they brought me up (when I was) little. Your Lord knows best what is in your minds; if you are good, then He is surely Forgiving to those who turn (to Him) frequently. And render to the kindred their due rights, as (also) to those in want, and to the wayfarer: But squander not (your wealth) in the manner of a spendthrift.
17:37 Nor walk on the earth with insolence: for thou can not rend the earth asunder, nor reach the mountains in height.
23:3 Who avoid vain talk;
23:96 Repel evil with that which is best: We are well acquainted with the things they say.
24:27-28 O ye believe! Enter not houses other than your own, until ye have asked permission and saluted those in them: that is best for you, in order that ye may heed (what is seemly). If ye find no one in the house, enter not until permission is given to you: if ye are asked to go back, go back: That makes for greater purity for yourselves: and Allah Knows well all that ye do."
25:68 And they who do not call upon another god with Allah nor take the life which Allah has forbidden except in the requirements of justice, and (who) do not commit fornication and he who does this shall find a requital of sin;
28:54-55 Twice will they be given their reward, for that they have persevered, that they avert Evil with Good, and that they spend (in charity) out of what We have given them. And when they hear vain talk, they turn away therefrom and say: 'To us our deeds, and to you yours; peace be to you: we seek not the ignorant.'
31:18 And swell not thy cheek (for pride) at men, nor walk in insolence through the earth; for God loveth not any arrogant boaster.
41:34 Nor can goodness and Evil be equal. Repel (Evil) with what is better: Then will he between whom and thee was hatred become as it were thy friend and intimate!
49:11 O ye who believe! Let not some men among you laugh at others: It may be that the (latter) are better than the (former): Nor let some women laugh at others: It may be that the (latter are better than the (former): Nor defame nor be sarcastic to each other, nor call each other by (offensive) nicknames: Ill-seeming is a name connoting wickedness, (to be used of one) after he has believed: And those who do not desist are (indeed) doing wrong.
49:12 O you who believe! avoid most of suspicion, for surely suspicion in some cases is a sin, and do not spy nor let some of you backbite others. Does one of you like to eat the flesh of his dead brother? But you abhor it; and be careful of (your duty to) Allah, surely Allah is Oft-returning (to mercy), Merciful.
49:13 O mankind! We created you from a single (pair) of a male and a female, and made you into nations and tribes, that ye may know each other (not that ye may despise (each other)). Verily the most honoured of you in the sight of Allah is (he who is) the most righteous of you. And Allah has full knowledge and is well acquainted (with all things).
60:8 Allah forbiddeth you not those who warred not against you on account of religion and drove you not out from your homes, that ye should show them kindness and deal justly with them. Lo! Allah loveth the just dealers.
90:12-17 And what will explain to you what the steep path is? It is the freeing of a (slave) from bondage; or the giving of food in a day of famine to an orphan relative, or to a needy in distress. Then will he be of those who believe, enjoin fortitude and encourage kindness and compassion.
109:1-6 Say: O disbelievers! I worship not that which ye worship, Nor will ye worship that which I worship. And I will not worship that which ye have been wont to worship, Nor will ye worship that which I worship. To you be your Way, and to me mine.
I can provide more examples if you want. I haven't even bothered to search for hadith yet.
This thread isn't even about drawing mohammed anymore. lol.
As far as that goes, who gives a crap? Its a picture. get over it. its not going to hurt anybody. "oh no they drew mohammed" bfd. there are bigger things to worry about than drawings of imaginary religous beings.
As far as that goes, who gives a crap? Its a picture. get over it. its not going to hurt anybody. "oh no they drew mohammed" bfd. there are bigger things to worry about than drawings of imaginary religous beings.
I'll refrain from exposing myself to the inferior intelligences and morals that caused me to forget myself and "insult" a member. I don't retract or apologize for any statements, however. EDIT: so you understand, this means I'm not going to discuss this further.
One final note: all the questions that were raised have been addressed, usually more than once, and to the person who brought up terrorism, please note I did not mention it as being anything to do with Islam.
One final note: all the questions that were raised have been addressed, usually more than once, and to the person who brought up terrorism, please note I did not mention it as being anything to do with Islam.
Al-Qaeda is a terrorist organization.
They are Muslims.
All Muslims are terrorists.
Adriana Lima is a Victoria's Angel.
She is Brazillian.
All Victoria's Angels are Brazillian.
KKK pursues white supremacy.
KKK members are Christian.
Christians hate blacks.
I went to Vienna.
I saw a white squirrel there.
All squirrels in Vienna are white.
They are Muslims.
All Muslims are terrorists.
Adriana Lima is a Victoria's Angel.
She is Brazillian.
All Victoria's Angels are Brazillian.
KKK pursues white supremacy.
KKK members are Christian.
Christians hate blacks.
I went to Vienna.
I saw a white squirrel there.
All squirrels in Vienna are white.
YES. For rights to be rights we have to have them forever.
It's not "Oh, you have the right to freedom of expression so you can draw Mohammed this one time, just don't make it offensive, and after you make your point could you please kindly stop?"
It's "You have the right to freedom of expression so you can draw Mohammed. Full Stop."
I wasn't saying that. I was using it to prove how flawed his post was in a round-about way.
Meanwhile, the word "Islam" means "Peace" in Arabic. I'm a Westerner, I'm Catholic, and yet I can't stand how people go out of there way to insult other people just because they're different. Just because a tiny extremist group who interpret the Qur'an differently get all the news attention, people think that they're the majority and that all Muslims are out to kill them.
It's kind of like saying "The Westboro Baptist Church are nutjobs, therefore all Christians are nutjobs."
People believe certain things, and I feel, unless that it's lawfully wrong, these beliefs should be tolerated. Everyone should just stop trying to piss each other off, and maybe, just possibly, we will have a better world where we respect each other. Don't fear what's different than you, what you don't understand, be smart and learn about it.
It's kind of like saying "The Westboro Baptist Church are nutjobs, therefore all Christians are nutjobs."
People believe certain things, and I feel, unless that it's lawfully wrong, these beliefs should be tolerated. Everyone should just stop trying to piss each other off, and maybe, just possibly, we will have a better world where we respect each other. Don't fear what's different than you, what you don't understand, be smart and learn about it.
Ok and I thought this topic was terrible and not getting anywhere before this post.
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