Smogon really needs to fully retest Magikarp, I want to see him back in OU for sure before V Gen comes out.
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Pokemon Black & White, aka Gen 5. Coming to Japan in Fall 2010.
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I fail to see why Arceus is included in that tier.
Because Arceus is banned from Uber, therefore logically would be in the "Above Uber" Tier. (You know its broken when its banned from the ban list)
That isn't why Arceus is banned. You can't be banned from the ban list. Ubers is not a real tier (despite the fact that people play a ladder dedicated to it) so nothing can be banned from it.
He wasn't/isn't allowed on the Uber tier because he wasn't/isn't legitimately obtainable ingame.
Winning team: lead t-tar, shuckle evo with accupressure (does it even matter what evs?). Done. Arceus wouldn't be able to touch shuckle, shuckle would take over as pokemon god.
Togekiss gets flamethrower and shock wave....no ice moves though :(
I think we are forgetting that pokes aren't designed to perfectly cover all types with their attacking movepools. The point is that there ARE weaknesses in all pokes and that this is intentional, IMO. The unique weaknesses/resists and the combinations each poke has is what makes building a team fun and a challenge. This combination of SE/resists is essentially the definition of what a type is, if you think about it.
If there were an overpowering shuckle evo, I'd probably quit competitive pokemon, or play UU or something. That'd be the most annoying thing ever xD
Yea. Togekiss has a HUGE movepool. It learns an attack from every type except Ice, Poison, and Ground. It gets Mud Slap but that doesn't really count as an attack.
Things like Blissey and Dusknoir gained very little in their strongest stats and only really gained in their second highest stats or something (besides, I'm pretty sure 255 is the max any stat can have with the current programming, and that's unlikely to change). So if Shuckle WERE to have an evo (although I agree that it shouldn't or we might get Blissey #2 TIMES 2 (both defenses)), it would probably have 235 or 240 Defense (or might be drastically different, which would be cool, it IS in some shell or something, so maybe it could go cocoon to metamorphosis and turn into some different type of bug) and have like 30 higher either in Attack, Special Attack, or Speed (hopefully not HP, I would like Speed the best even though it would be virtually useless, Special Attack would be interesting, but Attack seems most likely).
Oh wow, I'm guessing the likeliness of things under a certain circumstance that isn't even likely on the first place. I need a life or something.
Oh wow, I'm guessing the likeliness of things under a certain circumstance that isn't even likely on the first place. I need a life or something.
I'd lol if shuckle would evolve nincada-style: Loosing it's shell, inverting it's stats: 230 Attack, 230 SpecialAttack, 230 Speed, 5 Def, 5 SpDef, 10 HP or something. Step back, Azelf, this thing has MORE willpower!
And then we'll get an evolution with pretty much shuckle's stats and Wonderguard.... Step back, Arceus!
EDIT: And yeah, we really need Poison Absorb for Muk. It's just riduculous that Sludge Bomb can hurt this thing. It IS a Sludge Bomb. Also there really should be a Motor Drive for Flying types. It just makes so much sense. (Using the wind, you know?)
About Gen V pokes and evos and Togekiss......
IIRC, Togepi came out with G/S with its only one evolution into Togetic, which was useless, IMO. Then for Gen IV they break out an evolution that is imminently playable and quite a threat in OU. And even though it was from RBY, Porygon followed a similar path.....nothing special in Gen I, an evo for Gen II nothing in Gen III and then an excellent evo in Gen IV. I have always wondered about Togekiss (and admittedly a lesser extent w Porygon -which seemed originally designed as a legit standalone gimmick no evo poke from RBY but GF saw potential for additional evos and built them in in successive generations to make it playable) and whether or not GF has always had Togekiss "in their back pocket" so to speak, and just sat on it for a generation to shake things up. Is it me, or does it seem like GF designs its poke evo lines and sometimes only releases part of the entire line w the intent to "finish" the line out in a later generation?
I think Gen I pokes can't really have this said about them (so I am talking about Magmar, Electabuzz, Mr. Mime, Jynx, Scyther, etc) - I wouldn't be convinced GF had any idea there would be additional generations when Red and Blue were designed......but now that they do know there will be effectively always "another" generation (since every Gen goes to the top of the sales list with its release why would they stop) what do you think the odds are that the stand alone pokes and single evo lines were designed with another evo but they were intentionally sat on? I give GF credit, but it seems improbably that something they made such a big deal about w/ the advent of poke-eggs and breeding with Togepi that they didn't always have Togekiss designed in a concept piece but just decided not to release it.
There are several areas and environments that haven't yet appeared in Pokemon games and would be interesting to explore. There could be a giant, mazelike tropical rainforest with rare Pokemon and possibly multiple levels (floor, understory, canopy). Even though there have been underwater areas, the player has never been able to go to the bottom of the ocean. This seems likely, considering that when using Dive in RSE, there are areas deeper down that you can't reach by using Dive a second time. The biggest barrier to having an ocean floor area is that your character would probably have to use some kind of submersible. Another area that hasn't been in a Pokemon game yet is a landfill, which is surprising considering Pokemon's environmental themes. Since Isshu is more industrial that previous regions, we might get a landfill area.
Azelf can kind of take a hit though. A Pokemon with 10/5/5 defenses would die to any priority attack.
An intersting thought. I, too, think that they had some things planned out.
But you got your history not quite right: Porygon2 was GREAT in GSC. Normal pokemon were quite the thing back then and having recover and BoltBeam was a HUGE plus. Sadly, I think Porygon-Z has gotten worse then Porygon2 is even in this gen... But perhaps, they'll fix this when they weaken Scizor next gen.
What I experienced is the following: GameFreak actually knows quite well what is going on in competitive battling and they even act according to that.
Togetic for example was really forgotten in GSC. But people started using in in RS' double battles, because it had spotlight and was immune to EQ. I think after Togetic has been used for something, they decided to make it all around more usable.
If you look at the past, we actually got many things we wanted in the previous generation.
Regarding the design and stuff you're probably right: GameFreak's gonna have many ideas of new evolutions flying around their office. But probably no certain design to certainly come in this exact way next gen or something.
Maybe when they make the Pokemon, they know it will HAVE an evo/prevo, but maybe they don't know what it will be yet or maybe they are saving the (pr)evo for when they renovate some other aspects of the games, like moves or mechanics or especially abilities (which they can't change later, so they have to make them right the first time or let it have only one ability).
Interestingly, now with Bounce Magikarp has a purpose: paralyse things. Yes, that's the only thing it will ever do, still for the "worst pokémon" it is good, and it had excellent speed in the crap pokémon universe. I'm afraid they "overpowered" it, now it can actually kill things without Focus Sash+Flail. IIRC Adamant 252 Attack Choice Banded Magikarp OHKO's an offensive Weedle with Bounce. If all the Gods are with it it can infiniteHKO's slower things without Leftovers if they can't attack because of the paralysis ALWAYS. This is not the worst pokémon ever we all grew up with :(
In this case, why on earth are the pixies and event only moves (Such as tickle on wobbufet) allowed?
Let me rephrase myself.
I fail to see why Arceus is included in that tier *sarcasm*.
I hope they mix up the first route a little bit in this gen....I liked how in crystal you could get poliwag and gastly in the first route (or first two routes, but that counts considering you go there before you even get your pokedex), its doubtful but hopefully they give us something other than an off colored pidgey and another HM slave normal pokemon
I really wish it would have different typed pokemon than normal first-routes.
Like instead of Normal/Flying, Normal, and Bug, they could have Water, Ground and Electric!
EDIT: Beaten >_<
Lots of grass patches that you can all skip (but one) on your way back. ;)
Because they are legally available ingame despite being hard to obtain. Sure only a few dozen people have Tickefett, but all that matters is that someone has it legally.
Things cannot be banned from Ubers because Smogon doesn't treat Ubers as anything more than a banlist that some people enjoy playing. They don't care how unbalanced it is, otherwise Kyogre would be banned from it too.
Also if you look up Arceus on Smogon you'd see that it is officially labeled as Uber. It isn't on Shoddy due to ingame legality issues as I already mentioned.
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